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And now for something completely different – good speakers coming to Diocese! January 25, 2011

Posted by Tantumblogo in awesomeness, Dallas Diocese, General Catholic, North Deanery.
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It isn’t all sturm and drang regarding upcoming speakers headed to the Dallas Diocese!  There are two good ones headed our way – Professor Robbie George of Princeton University and the American Principles Project will be speaking at the University of Dallas on Thursday, February 3 in the Lynch Auditorium at 7:30.  Professor George is a staunch defender of life and Catholic doctrine, and has focused much of his efforts on insuring the Catholic Faith plays an increasing role in public life.   He is also giving a seminar on February 4 at 9 am in the Gorman Faculty Lounge at UD on “public reason.”

These events are free and open to the public. For more information, please contact the UD Philosophy Department by phone at 972-721-5161 or by email at phildept@udallas.edu.

In addition, Professor Peter Kreeft will be speaking at Saint Gabriel parish in McKinney on Monday, Feb. 21 at 7 pm.  His talk will be “How to win the culture war,” which sounds like great information to have.  I’d like to know how to do that!  All the information is below:

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1. FrDarryl Jordan - January 25, 2011

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2. thewhitelilyblog - January 25, 2011

Tantum, your girls are adorable. Wanted to say that before I forgot.

I am guessing, from looking at the second link, that you are at least interested in the concept of using precious metals to back our currency. I don’t know enough about economics to speak, but those (too few!)among my acquaintances whom I consider wise also support it, basically for one of the reasons mentioned in the link, that our un-backed money leads to speculation, of the like that just brought us to our knees.

I should not say ‘our knees.’ It brought some of us to ‘our knees,’ and it enriched others. It’s merely one tactic of the economic system associated with the west, with the secular state, and with developed capitalism, altho’ it is characterized by too few capitalists, not too many. There are some economists who won’t call it capitalism. Lenin called it imperialism. Don’t we call it global economics now?

But did you know this is a religious question? Precious metals backed money is evidently one of the features of sharia law. And we’re going to change that, if we win. By ‘we’ I mean secularism, in whose back pocket we presently reside waiting for the beast to sit down on us as it has recently in say, Egypt, the secular state presently attacking Catholicism–well, Copts, and Islam together.

I don’t know enough about it, but it is so very interesting. I read, on a very interesting link, which I’ll put below, that if a person wanted to know what it was like to live under sharia law, they should check out the state of Kelantan in Malaysia, and that this religious state was attempting there to stick to money backed by silver and gold, among other traditional features of Islam that ‘arab secularism’ [I don’t know what to call it!!] is trying to unseat. So that’s why I bring it up related to your link. Maybe you’ll noodle around and find out things about this monetary policy–it’s sure always helpful when an abstraction is actually being tried, in a living economy, not a pretend, university construct, if you know what I mean.

I’ve been noodling around, using google earth and google search tools to find out things about this state. There are Catholic dioceses there, they have websites. There’s a buddhist link I found that discusses their quiet evangelisism efforts, perfectly tolerated by their islamic hosts. Non-muslims don’t have to follow islamic law there, travel sites say. They can drink, in other words, don’t have to cover hair (but do have to dress modestly; travel websites are clear, it’s easy to understand the code, cover up knees to neck), don’t have to pray eight times a day, don’t have to fast during ramadan. I ran into a university kid’s website in the village right on the east coast (NE side of the peninsula), I forget its name but it’s easy to spot, and I never read anything sweeter than the life-style posts. They were debating whether to push for a cinema in their town! They don’t have one. There’s no place to go there after seven or eight. You have to go home, or to church. [Of course they must have the internet or I wouldn’t have been reading it.] They have nothing but playing pool and bowling and some sport that looks like a combination soccer and kick boxing, from the outfits, and a debate team, and an engineering club. The poor dears. The site had pictures of the boy and his friends, both boys and girls. The girls were dressed in those little outfits, tunics over skirts, hair and throat covered in cloth of the same color or fabric. Actually several of the guy’s friends, in their comments, were plumping for ‘no cinema’, and they sounded like traditional Catholic kids would sound if they lived somewhere where it was an item to debate instead of a horror to avoid at all possible cost. (I mean the cinema, which is, here and now in the USA, just another instrument of torture and impurity and sadness — oh please don’t get me started, it makes me cry.)

Lots of sites say Malaysia is doing fine economically. (Malaysia is considered an entire ‘religious state’ country, but not true, apparently; only that one state is said to be putting the whole shebang into practice.) Every single country in the region that has not adopted the contracept-or-else mentality is doing fine. It’s not just muslims, Phillipines, too, for example, are doing fine in the world downturn, although they are presently in the midst of losing that battle in the Phillipines, after Obama threw in his muscle for wide-spread contraception; they’re voting on it. That’s happening now. I’m not kidding!

So this link is just interesting to me. I have to say (and you know it’s because I’m a completely beat up sidewalk counselor watching the daughters of ‘religious freedom’ parade past me on their way to savaging their offspring every single Saturday; it wears you down) that I entertain this idea: maybe, if you don’t have any chance to have state control yourself, it’s actually better to support another religion having control, if we could live with the ‘lifestyle,’ and practice our faith in peace, and even evangelize if done discretely. I don’t know what else to call it but lifestyle, since it’s a different religion. No abortion. No contraception. Modesty. Marriage strong. Enormous family emphasis. There doesn’t seem to be any advertising. Little tourism or desire for it. (That one’s purely gratuitous, but that’s what critics say about that little village on the coast I was talking about: ‘wow, get with it you could be another _ _ _ fill in the ruined place: Acapulco . . . . Mazatlan with their ruined girls’. Apparently this village has resisted any kind of tourist promotions.) And gold-backed money.

Did I bury the thesis? Here: We might be better off under sharia law. When I say better I mean to measure that by the standard of fewer souls lost,not more fun, not richer,not freerer, but also more promising, more actually capitalistic economics, more sunsets and less sensationalism. A little peace. (I think our lives, here, just absolutely suck. I’m sorry to say.)

Please don’t think this is anybody else’s thesis but mine! For example, my own dear *SSPX calls for ‘religious freedom’ in Malaysia just like everybody else, even though that’s not what the Archbishop said. As if the people there would be better off with what we have. I just don’t get it. In any case, I’m the only person I ever heard say that. (You’re probably saying right now, ‘And I see why!) But here’s that islamic link that says it, too:

http://www.grandestrategy.com/2011/01/why-ummats-christians-need-islamic.html

I think I might spend a little of my kids’ inheritance and go visit the beach in Malaysia, just to see. Just to see if the women seem beat up–more beat up than here! Just to see if people seem so very unhappy that we have to liberate them.

There are people at my very own church who would truly, really spit on me for suggesting that there could ever be anything that should prevent one from pulling the trigger on the next muslim you run into, given the chance. The internet is full of them. I’ll bet your church is full of them too. I don’t know what to think.

tantamergo - January 25, 2011

Well…..that’s a huge topic. Malaysia is a semi-Islamic, semi-secular state. They receive a great deal of foreign investment, but essentially the government is, well, was, the cult of one man, Dr. Mahathir bin Mohammad. While Mahathir is a Muslim and supports Islam, his driving goal has been the modernization of Malaysia, which means he has subordinate Islamic law at times to achieve the goal of attracting foreign investment and building up Malaysia’s economy. That said, it’s not an always sunny place – there is a great deal of tension between the muslims and the Chinese. There is persecution. It’s a fairly autocratic state. I don’t know much about this province, except that its been used as a springboard to attack Thailand with a muslim insurgency. Essentially, instead of having the local muslims blow up Malaysians, the Malaysians have managed to get them to go foment a rebellion in Thailand. Apparently, they have to do their work somewhere.

Regarding your main point – no, I don’t believe you, or I, would like living under sharia. Unless you like seeing your favorite SSPX church turned into a mosque on the whim of the local imam or caliph. There are so many reasons not to desire to live in a muslim state, under sharia law – first of all, all that we take for granted in the west, all the freedom of thought, of conscience, the very essence of all the freedoms that have become endemic in the ‘western’ mindset, all of which devolve from Christianity, do not exist under Islam. Theirs is a religion of subjugation – total subjugation. Now, on the surface, there may seem to be some desirable characteristics – ostensibly strong devotion to God, ostensibly strong family life (often born on the backs of terribly suffering women – more later), ostensibly “stable” (meaning stagnant) culture. But in truth, that stability comes from repression and stagnation, the strong family life is often born entirely by women who have few if any rights, while the man is free to do…..alot, including a great deal of immorality, and the devotion to God is that of the simpleton, not someone trying to grow closer to the Infinite, the Almighty. I wish I had more time, but I think I can see what makes you say sharia sounds attractive, but I think it may be the “grass is greener” phenomenon. Christ did not intend us to be subject to Islam, I don’t think. And if you think it’s not much fun trying to practice your faith in an increasingly pagan society, but still a society informed to a great extent by Christian thought and philosophy, I think you’d find its even way less fun under islam, especially strict sharia. As a final thought, once again, should a caliph or imam desire it, you could be made to convert or be killed, which, if you earned the martyr’s crown, would be beneficial, but I don’t know that I would want to live in a society like that.

Western civilization is in big trouble. It could collapse. It’s headed in the wrong direction. But Islam is in trouble, too, and they have many internal problems of their own that are in many ways worse than our own present day culture. I don’t know – deal with what you’re given and trust in God.

thewhitelilyblog - January 26, 2011

No, dear heart, spend a little more time investigating that one state, it’s not so cut and dried. But listen, you wrote this about our freedoms:

freedom of thought, of conscience, the very essence of all the freedoms that have become endemic in the ‘western’ mindset, all of which devolve from Christianity,

These aren’t our freedoms. These are the freedoms of the revolution–I’m talking about satan’s, too. We don’t believe in a secular state. We believe in interior freedom of conscience, but not in exterior. Only since the Council. The difference–you can think what you want, but you can’t always act on it. VS Yes, human dignity consists in being able to act on it too; Catholicism’s role is only to continue to ‘educate consciences,’ never write legislation forbidding any of these ‘freedoms.’

Look, I don’t want to sound like I’m lecturing or know anything or anything! I don’t know much. But I have heard we Americans are really susceptible to the word freedom.

Catholics who are against the roll-back of R V W cite the same argument. Ditto gay access to some kind of legitimacy via ‘marriage.’ Ditto tougher divorce laws. They all act like it would NOT be okay to make these things illegal, but it would be okay to preach against them, witness against them with your own life, etc.

You know that’s bs. Yes it would be okay to make them illegal, and a bunch more things too, and an amendment protecting all human life, and Catholicism to be the official religion of the US, tolerant of other religions.

Islam is right to have or want to have a religious state. They are right to defend themselves against secularism. We should be defending ourselves against secularism, too. We should have our sights on a religious state. That’s how it was!! For so many hundreds and hundreds of Catholic years! AND we had a gold standard.

But I know, you’re probably right. I have not run into any other soul who says this. They say they understand about secular freedom, they understand how it got changed at Vatican II, but they don’t put any of that together with the political developments since the Council.

I admit to grass is greener tendencies. I’m so tired. But give a second to visiting sites that don’t support the idea that other religions are not tolerated in Malaysia–I’ll put some sites I found. Maybe you’re going on propaganda? You realize we could be in a war for nothing, for secularism.

Local kid’s site:
http://izwar.wordpress.com/

Local Catholic church site:
http://www.catholics.com.my/churches

Malaysian islamic pro-religious state site:
http://www.grandestrategy.com/2011/01/why-ummats-christians-need-islamic.html

buddhist article by buddhist heirarchy about it being possible to evangelize under islam:
http://www.inebnetwork.org/news-and-medias/6-articles/10-buddhism-in-a-muslim-state-theravada-practices-and-religious-life-in-kelantan-

SSPX Malaysia site, no fear anywhere of being turned into a mosque:
http://www.sspxasia.com/Countries/Malaysia/sspxNewsArchive.htm

I know, I AM trying to deal with what I was given. I don’t mean to go live in Malaysis or anything like that. I just want to know what to work for here. I’d go move to a state with the intent of building up enough Catholics to make a place that’s a lot safer for souls. Of course given our constitution there would be real limitations, but things could change over time to more favorable conditions to even have one’s own currency. Heck, they’re already doing that in some places, I read about it.

There’s lots of people who say Islam isn’t in as much trouble as us. Just demographics alone–seven babies to one muslim woman in Sweden, or Netherlands, I forget which. But true, they are fighting. I’m afraid to go to muslim sites, but have gotten a little idea, and it seems they’re fighting over the same things we’re fighting over!


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