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Octogenarian sister lashes out at Vatican over LCWR May 9, 2012

Posted by Tantumblogo in asshatery, Basics, Dallas Diocese, disaster, episcopate, error, foolishness, General Catholic, horror, Papa, sadness, scandals.

Talk about your cliched headline – which octogenarian nun sister hasn’t lashed out at the Vatican?  That’s not entirely fair, I know, but boy howdy does there seem to be a certain age breakdown when it comes to dissent and rank heresy among those who once consecrated themselves to God and His Church.

A certain Sister Brigid McDonald, whose bare appearance inspires great temptation to be nasty, has strong words for the Vatican’s latest effort to impose some doctrinal oversight on the wayward, dissenting, far-left p0liticking, gaia-loving, neo-wicca Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR).  Just reading her comments says all that needs to be said regarding the need for some discipline for this group, long run amok (the article is written as a Q&A, taken from a Minnesotta newspaper, I add emphasis and comments).  It’s a long post, mostly because this woman loves to talk.  Sorry David R, but you should really read it! 

As a rule, Sister Brigid McDonald tries not to pay too much attention to papal pronouncements, [that’s an enormous problem right there] but Pope Benedict XVI’s recent decision to rein in American nuns, [so, then, they do need “reining in?”] found by a Vatican investigation to harbor “radical feminist themes incompatible with the Catholic faith,” caught her attention.

McDonald recently shared her personal reaction to the news with MinnPost. What follows is an edited transcript of that conversation.

MinnPost: What are you hearing in your community about the decision?

Sister Brigid McDonald: Well, some are shocked that he would go that far, you know, to start using his power. To me, it is a misuse of power, a misuse of authority where he can step into religious communities and dictate how they should speak about these issues. [Already with the marxist power dynamics, the only thing these sisters seem to understand or care about.  It is a sad fact that Papal authority in the form of enforcement of doctrinal discipline has been sadly lacking these last several decades, but it’s a huge stretch to be shocked that the Pope has finally decided to act]

MP: When you say “he,” you are talking about Benedict?

SBM: Yes. I still call him Ratzinger. That fits him better. But that is just a personal bias. [it’s also stupid and infantile] 

…..I can’t even begin to imagine what he could say or do that would change religious women’s beliefs. I don’t know how he plans to change that. That is of concern. That could be scary — what will he do to change our beliefs. You know, that scares me. [How about he reduces you to the lay state?  That’s a possibility.  You don’t have to change your thinking at all. You just don’t get to play at “sister” anymore]

MP: Can you speak a little bit more about that, the difference between changing your belief and silencing you, and where that line gets murky?

SBM: You are right, those are two different issues. If he wants us just to shut up about how we believe and don’t put it out in public,  that is one issue. Or if he is really trying to get us to make statements that are opposite of our beliefs, I don’t know what his motivation is for this. Other than control, I don’t know what his motivation is. [Perhaps love, and a burning desire to save your immortal soul before your life ends, which could be at any moment?  I’m sure you don’t believe any such stuffy, “pre-Vatican II” thinking, but the Pope does, and so do I.  I pray for your heartfelt conversion, but I fear such conversion is beyond human means.  You are totally dependent on God’s Mercy]

I think it is pretty impossible for us to all change our beliefs on these issues to coincide with his beliefs. That sounds impossible. [So, you specifically reject believing as the Pope, as the Church, does.  Therefore, you admit your apostasy, and you are outside the Church, no matter what order you belong to or what vows you once took, surely long ago repudiated and forgotten]

MP: Can you stay silent about a belief that you hold in good faith?

SBM: I personally would never choose to……[Holy Father, you have your work cut out for you.  Let us pray for the conversion of people who think like this – she just admitted that not only will she not change her apostate beliefs, but she won’t stop proclaiming them in public, causing massive scandal and undermining the faith of others.  This woman is a grave danger to the Faith]

MP: Can you tell me what you are hearing? Are people afraid?

SBM: It is interesting. The nuns that I talk to aren’t really afraid, because they can’t see or they can’t imagine what he would do to change us. I mean, like, excommunication? That is a thing of the past. You can’t excommunicate hundreds of nuns……[Absolutely he can. He can also place your community under interdict.  He can reduce you to the lay state.  The Holy Father can do many things, all perfectly within the authority of his Office and his role as chief defender of the Faith]

MP: One thing that I have been told is a bishop will now screen all of the speakers at your meetings. Will that have any practical effect?

SBM: Now that could affect our college, the St. Catherine University. And we do still have some high schools. But they have stepped in before to say we can’t talk about this or that

But I know he has tried to silence people in our schools. [That was not the Pope, it was the local bishop or even a pastor.  She has made a booeyman of the Pope, and I would guess that her feelings towards him border on hatred] That could be a very severe possibility, to silence some of the voices, really the social justice voices, you know……….[There we go again, trying to make this attempt to stop apostasy and save these women’s souls about the Vatican’s uncaring for the poor.  Give me a break.  It won’t play.]

Why is he picking old nuns? More than half of us are over 75. We are almost an endangered species now……[I wonder if she has ever stopped to think about why that is – why her order is dying off, why she is one of an increasingly ancient order with no vocations?  Probably not.]

He should start with getting his priests together and try to help them through some of their problems. He should get after them for molestation. [No one has done more to oppose the horrible abuse, largely by homosexual men on teenage boys, than Pope Benedict.  This is just a cheap, low, vicious shot.]

MP: Somebody suggested to me that nuns in the past had enjoyed some latitude because you were thought to be powerless, and that in a strange way, this might be recognition that your ministry is powerful. [This is also a stupid, Marxist power-dynamics question.  The Vatican has been trying to stop the apostasy of this group for decades, but hasn’t had the will to do so.  I think this time they do – and so do these women religious, and they are scared]

SBM: That is good insight. Because [before] we were just school teachers and we just had nice little kids in front of us, you know, and we just emptied bed pans in the nursing homes and in the hospitals. [Which are obviously low occupations unworthy of the new, liberated women religious of the radical feminist type] But now they are right, we are out there in the different movements. We help with the Occupy movement and the right-to-choice movements.[This woman makes me so sad.  She has so forgotten God in her pride and arrogance that she actually helps kill the most innocent among us.  What a tragedy.  What a perversion of what may have once been a true vocation]

It is giving us more credibility in the public. Lots of times people will call and seek out our opinions about certain issues, where it never was that way when I entered the convent….[This is the key. It underscores the entire mentality.  These women do not value humility.  They do not value serving Christ in some manner they feel unworthy of them, some “low” occupation.  They want notoriety. They want fame.  And you can also see how much damage they do, as they are sought out for their apostate opinions, so they can further the goals of the leftism of the self-anointed elites.  She has exchanged God for mammon]

MP: The other thing people have said is possibly dangerous about nuns is that you understand church teachings and can talk about the ways in which they might be being subverted or perverted.

[I’m not even going to print her arrogant response.  You can read it at the link.  But her response makes plain, as so much of the above has, that what really motivates this woman, and I am believe much of the LCWR leadership and many rank and file, is a truly sad, warped view of male-female relations and their enormous envy at men.  They seek to undermine the traditional “power structure” of the Church and replace it with a matriarchal one.  This is all very far left lesbian feminist power dynamics, all completely incompatible with the Faith, let alone a religious vocation!  It is no wonder these orders are the walking dead]

MP: Who do you think will be hurt by this move?

SBM: I have a feeling women theologians who are partners with the nuns and some of our teachers in our schools will be really hurt. It will be a fear hurt and they may not feel free to speak out. [It’s funny how these women use the “poor defenseless nuns” routine, when in other times they would angrily insist on being called “women religious.”  What happened to “I am woman, hear me roar?!?”  Note also the tacit admission that the women religious of her ilk won’t be around much longer, thus the concern about the role of lay women]

I am suspicious of the motivation. I don’t think it is for the common good. They are trying to get us back, bring us back, as it was in the beginning and now as it will ever be, amen, or something like that. They want us back in the habits and being obedient. [No one has said anything like that.  They just want Catholic religious to……you know……believe and practice the Catholic Faith.  I know, it’s an amazing concept!]

Notice also the sneering contempt for traditional religious, and the disregard for the “lowly” roles of serving silently and in humility in some truly necessary and Grace-filled, but unpleasant, tasks that lack the worldly rewards of being a raging left wing feminist.

As I said above, this a surrender of the Faith for mammon.  May God have mercy on her soul, and the souls of her fellow women who have so destroyed religious life.  God will not be mocked.  That is why her order won’t exist in 10-15 years.


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