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Some views on the LCWR sisters and their allies June 12, 2012

Posted by Tantumblogo in Abortion, contraception, Dallas Diocese, disaster, episcopate, error, foolishness, General Catholic, horror, persecution, priests, religious, sadness, scandals, sickness.

The LCWR imbroglio continues to descend to lower and lower levels of hubris and heated rhetoric.  For a quick reminder, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has determined that the many religious orders that belong to the Leadership Conference of Women Religious have strayed very far from Catholic orthodoxy.  As such, an apostolic delegate in the form of Seattle Archbishop Peter Sartain, is to be appointed to implement some kind of doctrinal oversight, potentially even instilling some forms of discipline.  There are many Catholics who are glad to see this, as the radical feminist ideology and public, vociferous apostasy of many in LCWR – especially among the “leadership” of that group – has caused grave scandal and probably led many souls very far astray from the Faith, placing the state of their souls in jeopardy. 

Sadly, we’ve been through this exercise before.  Several times in the past 40 years, the radical sisters of the LCWR have been threatened with discipline of some form, and every time they have used their allies in the media and in the Church to stave off any such efforts.  We’re going  through the same thing now, with the sisters now claiming to be sweet, innocent nuns, who just want to help poor people and “serve Christ,” and why is the Vatican picking on them?   You can see some coverage of this media blitz by the sisters here.


As I said, they have allies in the Church.  One such ally, a priest by the name of Fr. Doug Koesel of Blessed Trinity Catholic Church in Cleveland, OH.  Last week, Fr. Koesel had what could be described as a raging nutty over the horrible, evil Vatican “persecuting” these innocent, sweet “nuns.”  All the usual shibboleths and shroud waving were present.  The conclusion was incredible (I add emphasis and comments):

Religious women in the US refuse to be controlled by abusive authority that seeks to control out of fear.[Think about what this priest – PRIEST – who made holy vows of obedience to his bishop and the  Magisterium at large, including the Holy Father, is saying.  He’s saying the Vatican is evil, an abusive authority that controls through fear.  Nothing about love, or difference of opinion, even – simply that they are totally, 100% wrong and driven by the most base of motivations] They realize that Jesus taught no doctrines, but that the church, over time, developed what Jesus taught in a systematic way. Nuns have always tried to work within the system. [Really?  No doctrines?  Nothing about “if you look on a woman with lust in your heart, you have committed adultery?”  Nothing about “if you love Me, you will keep My commandments?”  This priest has created a caricature of Jesus in his own image and likeness]
This time their prophetic voices may take them out of the system. [Is this a threat?  I note that this tantrum was published by the Distorter] They may take a lot of Catholics and a lot of their hospitals, schools, colleges, orphanages, prison ministries, convents, women’s shelters, food pantries and, of course, the good will they have earned over the centuries with them. [Soooo…..it is a threat.  How beneath the dignity of a priest.  And how wrong – if they do take anyone, it is a tragedy, but the Church will soldier on without them, as She always has]

This investigation is not about wayward US nuns. It is the last gasp for control by a dying breed, wrapped in its own self-importance. [Fr. Koesel is about 70.  I can’t imagine this total lack of self-awareness.  Talk about irony.  It’s also completely counter to the trends in the Church, where youth is very strongly attracted to orthodoxy, and not the fading dreams of the 60s revolutionaries] It is a struggle for the very nature of the church; who we are, how we pray, where we live, who belongs, why we believe. The early church endured a similar struggle. The old order died. The Holy Spirit won. Happy Pentecost Sunday. [Once again, the Vatican and those who accept the Dogmas of the Faith are old, pharisaical, cruel, power hungry, vindictive.  I think good Fr. needs a long look in the mirror.]

I contacted Fr. Koesel.  I thanked him for his years of service.  I then tried, with charity but at times with philosophical force, to make him see the disaster he, and his kind, have visited on the Church.  I noted the fact that his parish does not have Confession at any time.  I asked him to consider repentance.  I literally begged him to reconsider his complete antipathy towards the Holy Father and the Authority he has been given by Christ over the Church.

I did not receive a positive reply.  In fact, I cannot print the reply, as it was so lewd and beneath the dignity of a priest that I was shocked.  I have had disagreements with priests before.  I have exchanged sharp words, even.  But I’ve never seen anything like this sent by a priest to anyone – it was foul and disgusting, and, I’m afraid, terribly revealing of the state of Fr. Koesel’s soul. 

It was sort of a depressing exercise.  But today, there was a ray of light.  A brilliant, sharp ray, in the form of a sermon given by one of the young, recently ordained priests of this Diocese.  Apparently, one of the LCWR leaders was on the Stephen Colbert show last night.  She was actually part of NETWORK, the rather far left social justice lobby associated with the LCWR, which, during the debates surrounding Obamacare and in defiance of the bishops of this country, gave critical cover to self-proclaimed pro-life democrats to vote in favor of Obamacare.  This was in opposition to the bishop’s collective guidance, informing these democrats not to vote in favor of the bill.  Thus, the “alternative magisterium.”

The priest related his great dismay over the words of this sister.  He related the terrible scandal such women had caused in the Church.  He reminded the people assisting at Mass of the warning Christ gave to those who caused such terrible scandal.  He also mentioned Sr. Margaret Farley’s apostate book which has been

Dear Me

condemned by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith for its support of so-called gay marriage, masturbation, sex outside marriage, women pretending to be priests, and numerous other problems.  The priest seemed genuinely concerned and upset about the souls being led astray by these sisters infested with radical feminist and leftist/modernist beliefs. Beliefs which trump whatever faith they had in Christ and His Church.  He reminded that all of these women took oaths of obedience to the Church, and now they treat the Magisterium as the enemy, as Fr. Koesel does. 

The young priest correctly diagnosed the source of this widespread error – pride.  It’s the same pride that rang through Fr. Koesel’s words above.

This young priest was more charitable than I have been.  He felt that the LCWR, Farley, etc., are not acting maliciously, they’re just very confused.  I wish I could believe as this priest does.  But so

LCWR “contemplation”

much evidence shows that they are acting maliciously, and in their rage at the male authority over them (and, in reality, their desperate craving for its approval, just like dad), they are doing all they can to present themselves as an alternative magisterium.  And, I fear, Fr. Koesel is right – that if discipline is finally enforced, even mildly – it will be taken as the excuse to finally and formally bolt. 

As terrible a tragedy as that may be, I have to say, if these heretical sisters and their allies cannot accept the Faith as it has been revealed through the Church, it is better for the Church and the many faithful souls if they do leave.  Not for them, for they shall not be saved outside the Church they specifically reject.  But this is a bed of their own making.  They have been dialogued, cajoled, even begged to be faithful, but this lost generation will not overcome its pride.  I don’t think there are human means for such a change to occur – it will take an act of Grace.

I will pray.

Oh, a final note about the LCWR.  The  keynote speaker at their upcoming annual conference is Barbara Marx Hubbard, a truly nutty new age and far left peace activist.  She has made numerous statements against the Church in the past.  She advocates a “post-Christian” belief system and rejects the idea of Christ, even God, and is totally immanentist – that is, she believes that we are all “gods,” or that our “perfect inner self,” that paragon of new age ideas, is a “god.”  Tragically, many in LCWR, especially among its radical leadership, share these beliefs.

They’ll never change.  Perhaps suppression of some of the worst of these orders is the only solution.


1. dallas - June 12, 2012

Why is there never any mention that the Apostolic visitation was directed by a SISTER, Mother M. Clare Millea, A.S.C.J.?

tantamergo - June 12, 2012

You know the Church is a big bureaucracy, right? The investigation you are referring to was conducted by the Congregation for Religious Life. That one may have been one massive head fake by the Vatican, to attract the attention of the bad sisters. It turned out to be a whitewash – at the very end, the new head of the Congregation for Religious Life said, basically “all is forgiven, we love you!” The LCWR thought they had won again. Then, this other, apparently “secret” investigation by the CDF dropped. Oops.

I think the Vatican is serious this time.

2. Dianne Smith - June 13, 2012

I think Fr. Koesel is very brave. I can’t believe the Catholics that blindly follow whatever the Vatican says. Read the history of the Vatican, check out the current bank scandal. Read the New Testament and the Beatitudes. The perpetually corrupt Vatican is the perfect example of Pharisees.

Jerome - June 13, 2012

If you looked at the Vatican of Jesus time, i.e. the Apostles, you’d see the corrupt Judas, the scared and timid Apostles afraid to even admit they know Jesus, and the first Pope Peter scared as well, even denying Jesus. And these guys were hand picked by Jesus himself. You forget that we are the Chruch Militant, meaning we are sinners, but the beauty of the faith is still uncorrupted. Even the worst popes never changed doctrine, because they can’t. The Holy Spirit still guides the Church.

tantamergo - June 13, 2012

Wow. Then why are you Catholic? If you hate the Church so much, why don’t you leave? The definition of the Church is the Pope and the bishops in union with him. You hate the Pope, you hate the curia (many bishops, cardinals, etc) – you have just defined yourself as an anti-Catholic.

3. Catechist Kev - June 13, 2012

Fr. Koesel says: “This time their prophetic voices may take them out of the system.” [Is this a threat? I note that this tantrum was published by the Distorter]

Maybe not a threat – I would surmise. However, as this lady so aptly put it (back in March, anyway), it *is* playing right into Big Government’s hands:


Richard - June 14, 2012

I’m not too surprised that Fr. Koesel is approaching 70 and is from Cleveland. Bishop Pilla led much to be desired there, and Fr. Cozzens was very controversial about the celibate priesthood.

Ironically, Pilla voluntarily resigned soon after Benedict XVI became Pope. In addition, the dissident group FutureChurch (a Call to Action type group supporting women’s ordination) began in Ohio.

Fortunately, I think the membership of FutureChurch is extremely small, but certain media outlets try to make it seem like a large group. Catholics for a Free Choice is a small group too, but some media outlets want viewers to believe otherwise.

I’m glad media outlets have not interviewed Karol Jackowski on this LCWR investigation. Her “current order” (she and a few others left the Sisters of the Holy Cross in the 1990’s) isn’t even recognized by the Church.

I wrote to one media outlet asking writers to go visit The Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Eucharist, where they will meet some authentic, vibrant, women of God. A paper like the Austin American Statesman would be perfect for a story. When I’ve helped with vocation retreats, the ladies under 35 are more interested in visiting with the sisters who wear habits.

I’ll close the box now.

4. Lionel Andrades - June 18, 2012

In their protests supporters of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR) Sisters have been saying that Vatican Council II has changed every thing.They mean Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and so they are into all New Age teachings and even deny the Creed.

One of the posters of an LCWR supporter says Vatican Council II cannot be changed.They interpret Vatican Council II with an irrational argument. In their religious formation they were taught that those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are explicit exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Explicit, known to us ? This is irrational.

They do not realize that Vatican Council II no where says that those saved in invincible ignorance etc are known to us and so they are explicit exceptions.

So how can those saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience,seeds of the Word, imperfect communion with the church etc and who are unknown to us, be an exception to the traditional interpretation of the dogma, which they reject?

Vatican Council II is a traditional Council if the ‘exceptions’ are considered implicit and not explicit.

It’s ecclesiology is exclusive ecclesiocentrism. Ad Gentes 7 says there is exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church and all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation (to avoid Hell).AG 7 indicates all New Agers and Protestants need Catholic Faith (which includes the baptism of water) to avoid Hell.This is the message of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

The Sisters are rejecting Vatican Council II (AG 7). Then they assume LG 16 is explicit and not implicit. So they deny AG 7 and the defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

They reject an ex cathedra teaching (Cantate Domino, Council of Florence on extra ecclesiam nulla salus) and are not excommunicated like the OMI priest Fr.Tissa Balasuriya who denied the Immaculate Conception of Our Lady.

Can the LCWR sisters affirm the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, along with implicit baptism of desire and invincible ignorance ?

Cardinal William Levada, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican has not asked them to acknowledge Vatican Council II in accord with the dogma on exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church.

The dogma is in agreement with the Catechism of the Catholic Church as long as it is understood that the baptism of desire etc is always implicit for us and explicit for God.

The LCWR sisters are rejecting the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 issued during the pontificate of Pope Pius XII which referred to ‘the dogma’, ‘the infallible statement’.

In principle there can be non Catholics saved in (implicit to us) invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire. De facto, in reality, in the present times there are no known exceptions to everyone needing to convert into the Church for salvation.

The LCWR needs to clarify its doctrinal position on the thrice defined dogma and Vatican Council II.

There are religious sisters in Worcester,USA who affirm the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and reject explicitly known baptism of desire and invincible ignorance.They affirm Vatican Council II according to Tradition.-Lionel Andrades

tantamergo - June 18, 2012

I know whose sisters from Worcester well. I have had the pleasure of meeting some of them.

5. Lionel Andrades - June 19, 2012

Tuesday, June 19, 2012
When the LCWR invites Curran, Hubbard and Schneiders they are saying the Catholic Church is not the one true Church (UR 3) and every one does not need faith and baptism for salvation (AG 7)
The Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR) is rejecting Vatican Council II (AG 7) and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.They are saying that the Catholic Church is not the sole moral authority.

Statutes are approved of a religious organization which does not believe in exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church and the literal interpretation of the dogma ? The LCWR is Catholic even when it says invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are explicit exceptions to the dogma ? Are these ‘exceptions’ not always implicit for the SSPX?

I have mentioned on a blog that if you invite Charles Curran to speak you are telling us all what you believe. If you openly promote New Age you are telling us what you believe. In the case of the LCWR, they represent the Church and so they are saying that this is what the Church teaches. They are also saying that there is no exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church. When you invite Barbara Marx Hubbard your message is clear. You are saying that the Catholic Church is not the one true Church (UR 3, Vatican Council II) and all people do not need Catholic faith and the baptism of water for salvation (AG 7).Your also saying that there can be an interpretation of Vatican Council II which negates AG 7.

If a Mother Superior of a community affiliated with the LCWR inquired if their community could hold the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus along with implicit baptism of desire and invincible ignorance etc in accord with Vatican Council II (AG 7), would the LCWR approve?

They would be saying that all non Catholics in 2012 need to enter the Catholic Church for salvation and if there are any exceptions,’ who have not had the Gospel preached to them’ it would be known only to God.

This is not the ecclesiology of the LCWR which is centered on Jesus and excludes the Church. So an LCWR member can believe in Jesus, according to the Jehovah Witnesses, distribute sacred pictures of Jesus as they do in Rome, and teach according to their religion and still consider oneself in the Catholic Church. This would be Jesus without the Catholic Church which the Bible tells us is His Mystical Body.The LCWR rejects exclusive ecclesiocentrism.
The CDF could help the sisters by announcing that those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptisms of desire are implicit for us and only explicit for God.

It is true that only those who know about Jesus and the Church and yet do not enter are oriented to Hell (LG 14) however we cannot judge that someone is really in invincible ignorance or someone is not. This judgement is left to God.The dogma and AG 7 says all need to convert into the Church for salvation.

If anyone says Fr. Leonard Feeney was wrong for rejecting the baptism of desire they are making a mistake. The baptism of desire is not a known exception to the literal interpretation of the dogma.-Lionel Andrades

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