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The self-fulfilling prophecy of the Church revolutionaries November 29, 2012

Posted by Tantumblogo in Abortion, catachesis, contraception, Dallas Diocese, disaster, episcopate, error, foolishness, General Catholic, priests, scandals, secularism.

I’ve just about wrapped up reading Anne Roche Muggeridge’s book The Desolate City: Revolution in the Catholic Church.  Towards the end of the book (the updated version, printed in 1990), Muggeridge discusses the noxious case of Fr. Charles Curran, still a priest although, as she covers, banned from teaching theology at a Catholic university by then Cardinal Ratzinger in 1988.  Yet, Curran had been able to publicly apostasize and play a hugely influential role in leading millions to join him in his heretical views.  Today, he continues to inflict his errors, with great charisma, on new generations of Catholics who might happen to attend Southern Methodist University here in Dallas.  I believe he has stopped by this blog before, though I can’t confirm it.  If you read this, Mr. Curran, I pray you convert.

There is an excerpt from the book I’ll provide below that struck me.  Because I think it’s important to note that the radicals in the Church have very intentionally converted as many formerly faithful “Catholics” as possible to their errors, in order to have a very significant weapon to brandish against the Church.  First, the quote (my emphasis and comments):

[Fr. Curran describes the revocation of his Mandatum to teach Catholic theology]…..the Vatican has been willing to take a stand against me in spite of the fact that the vast majority of Catholic theologians in the US have supported the legitimacy of my positions” [Yes, very sadly, even today, over 20 years after this statement was made, the large majority of self-described Catholic theologians with teaching positions at self-described Catholic universities are apostates. In many cases, these people have made a false god out of their sins against the 6th and 9th Commandments]  and “the majority of Catholic believers disagree wth the official hierarchical teaching” on sexual morality.

The Church’s handling of the Curran case should – but won’t – refute the constant libel that the Vatican mercilessly sniffs out and pounces upon every sign of theological free-thinking.  Charles Curran went unscathed for more than 20 years while the Vatican patiently [foolishly?] tried to persuade him to accept Catholic Truth, years during which he and the religious revolution he symbolized and led did unimaginable, irreparable damage to the Body of Christ, the Catholic Church. [I don’t believe this – the Authority will return, but the Church it returns to may be much, much smaller] This revolution influenced innumerable faithful toward the abandonment of Christian morality; wounded, perhaps mortally, the central authority and universal character of the Catholic Church; and lost the greater part of the so-lately splendid, missionary Catholicism of the United States of America.

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The main point I wanted to expand on was Curran’s statement that the majority of so-called “Catholic believers” disagree with the Doctrine of the Faith on sexual morality.  The key, as I have mentioned already, is contraception.  That is the vehicle by which apostasy was brought to the masses.  There is something very alluring, in a way that I think goes beyond cultural influences or even our propensity for selfish pleasure, about contraception, that I believe is strongly associated with the diabolical. The Church’s position on contraception is very authoritative, very strongly defined.  Only an ex cathedra statement from the Holy See could make this doctrine any more authoritative.  So, in peeling Catholics away from a constant belief which the vast majority of Catholics adhered to with religious assent even as late as the mid-60s!, the revolutionaries were not nibbling around the edges, they were attacking a doctrine of such centrality that they knew enormous other areas of the Faith would fall with it if they were successful.

But it is rather ironic reading Curran, and progressives in the Church today, appeal to the popularity of apostasy to buttress their arguments.  First, we know, as faithful Catholics, that the Church is not a democracy, and never has been.  No matter how much Curran and apostates like him try to force the Americanist and protestant-type heresies on the Church, the authority to determine Dogma rests not with the will of a fallen people, but with the Grace of God in men gifted with that great responsibility – the Pope and the bishops in union with him.

But, even more ironically disgusting, is the fact that Curran and other themselves have created the conditions of mass apostasy, unseen in the history of the Church, that so prevail today.  It was they who very carefully selected the issue of contraception as the wedge to drive between the faithful and the authority of the Pope. It was they who then organized the entire bureaucracy and created the execrable catechesis that for decades has malformed the faith of millions of people in the pews.  It was they who enlisted the media to enforce their will on the episcopate and spread their heresies. And it was they who have constantly, if often quietly and behind the scenes, threatened all kinds of mayhem if their program of revolution was even slightly obstructed.

Man has a fallen nature. We have a strong propensity to sin.  It takes constant recourse to the Graces that flow through the Church, primarily through the Sacraments, to live a morally upright, relatively sin-free life.  But when many voices, perhaps most voices, within the Church, start telling the people that everything has changed, that many former sins no longer are (as if what constitutes sin could really, substantially change), that fallen tendency is going to assert itself and the walls of Grace which kept most people on the narrow, windy path to salvation will collapse. Which, is exactly what was intended to happen (re: Razing the Bastions, H. von Baltasar).  And we can see how central the main thrust of the apostasy was, for embracing contraception leads to a constantly expanding nightmare of sin: fornication, adultery, divorce and remarriage, tolerance of perversion, commission of perversion, so-called gay marriage, masturbation, the objectification of women, ABORTION, euthanasia, in vitro fertilization, embryonic stem cell destruction, and the worst of all, the installation in Catholics of the protestant mindset of setting up oneself as the arbiter of what is “true” and the disaster that follows.  All this was blatantly intentional.

So, it’s a bit disingenuous for Curran, et. al., to appeal to the mass apostasy they themselves created as their prime argument for permitting them to continue their work of destruction. Not only is it false from a Catholic theological perspective, but it’s also an appeal to their own authority, as they created this dire calamity. It is heartbreaking, maddening that the vast majority of these apostates still teach in Catholic schools and universities.  It is difficult to see how such an utter collapse of the Faith could not be a sign of the parousia. 

I am not so certain, as Muggeridge seems to be, that these were misguided but well-intentioned people.  How can a group that knows the Truth, rejects it, and replaces it with error, dragging millions down in their train, be considered well-intentioned.  Or, perhaps the old saw “the road to hell is paved with good intentions.”  I, for one, take a much harder view – I think these people knew the Faith, rejected it, and did so very consciously and with a purpose one can hardly describe as good.  Muggeridge herself describes at length what motivated these agents of radical change – power.  They did not like the fact that Rome had centralized ecclesial power over the past several centuries, and, informed by a Marxist view of earthly power as the only end worth obtaining in this life, they went after transferring that power to themselves.

How many souls have been lost as a result of all this, only God knows.

Ach, I’m running too long again.  More tomorrow, I pray!


1. Woody - November 30, 2012

The protestants left the Church. Those like Curran don’t want to leave, they want to change it from within. They know it will take time but feel that time is on their side. It’s the mentality of the sixties that we are dealing with. I always wondered what it would be like when the “beautiful people” of the sixties became the adults in their fifties.That has been occurring since the ninties. Look around and see what they sowed. It’s in full bloom. But these flowers will wilt and die. The Church will not.

2. lionelandrades - November 30, 2012

November 29, 2012
Vatican Council II does not contradict itself or the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. We cannot see the dead.- Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments,Vatican
Today morning I had an appointment at the office of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments,Vatican with an official representing Cardinal Antonio Cañizares Llovera. It was raining at St.Peter’s Square where work on the crib has begun.

Yesterday I visited the office and asked for 10 minutes to ask two questions on Catholic doctrine related to the liturgy.

Today we spoke in English.We agreed that we could not see the dead. The dead saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience, seeds of the Word, imperfect communion with the Church, elements of sanctification etc were known only to God. So these cases could not be cited as exceptions to Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II which says all need ‘faith and baptism’ for salvation.He agreed that Vatican Council II does not contradict itself.Lumen Gentium 16 does not contradict Ad Gentes 7.Neither does Vatican Council II contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus or, Tradition in general.

So is this an impediment for the priest offering Mass, if it is known and denied in public?

If the priest knowingly denies Vatican Council II(AG 7), the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Nicene Creed (I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins) then this was an issue for the local bishop. The Congregation leaves this issue for the bishop to decide he said.

He offers Mass daily, he said, and he knows that the dead are not visible and these cases are not exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and neither does Vatican Council II contradict itself or the dogma on exclusive salvation.

He said he wanted to restrict himself to the liturgy only, as instructed by Cardinal Antonio Cañizares Llovera, Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, and so did not want to talk about the doctrinal issue of the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX).

The message was clear – a priest, bishop or cardinal who offers Holy Mass should not deny Vatican Council II (AG 7),the Nicene Creed and the thrice defined dogma with alleged explicit implicit salvation.

No Magisterial text states that the deceased saved are visible to us on earth or that they are defacto, explicit exceptions to the traditional teaching on salvation. This is falsely implied by the media.

The clarification by this official is important for the present SSPX canonical issue.Since it means that Vatican Council II does not contradict the SSPX position on other religions and ecumenism.

The ecclesiology of Vatican Council II is ecclesiocentric.

Vatican Council II is not a break from the past since implicit salvation is never explicit; there is no known salvation outside the church in 2012.

This is an issue based on universal reason (we cannot see the dead) and not on theology.-Lionel Andrades

tantamergo - November 30, 2012

Who on earth is claiming they can see the dead? Is this even a topic? This is really OT, I’m deleting one comment, you beat this drum constantly, I’ve been very patient, please stop.

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