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A Brazilian bishop hates him some Tradition December 19, 2012

Posted by Tantumblogo in asshatery, Basics, disaster, episcopate, error, foolishness, General Catholic, scandals, secularism, self-serving, Tradition.
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This actually is from last spring, but I just saw this in the fall Catholic newspaper, a wonderful publication from the Transalpine Redemptorists.  They quote Bishop Sergio of Sao Carlos, Brazil, as stating the following:

I cannot understand how, in the 21st century, there are people who want the return of the Latin Mass with the priest celebrating Mass with “his back turned to the people,” wearing heavy Roman chasubles. This year we will celebrate the 50th annivesary of Vatican II, and while we already sense the need to hold a third Vatican Council, [I think this statement alone qualifies him as a progressive.  If you think the Church in the US has lost people, check out Brazil.  Tens of millions have fallen away and the rate is increasing.  And this bishop thinks we need more of the same progressive policies that have borne such wonderful fruit?]  we see peoople who want a return ot the past. And what is more worrisome, these are people who attend a college, peopole who have entered the univesity, but the university has not entered their minds……these people…….are in the wrong century. [Ergo, you are not educated or intelligent if you don’t share the bishop’s views. Who says progressives aren’t open minded!] They want, at all costs, to return to the past. [No, we want the Church and God to be glorified.] They live through miracles and apparitions, devotions and ‘rose-colored’ sentiments, which unfortunately, are out of date. [Good to know that timeless Catholic spirituality is “out of date.”  You think he sees in Vatican II a radical break with Tradition?]

They need only to advocate the return of the famous mantillas, covering women’s heads. I wonder: why not men’s heads? It would be nice to see men wearing lace mantillas. [Apparently, Bishop Sergio has never read St. Paul] But it would be difficult to find anyone who would want to wear them, except for ‘crazy heads’…[Wow, he’s got some issues, hasn’t he?  There’s a bit of hatred here, no?]

For these puritans, hell is full, when in fact it is Heaven that is full, because God wants everyone to be saved. [There is a difference between what God “wants,” and what occurs.  Work out your salvation with fear and trembling, not false, worldly overconfidence]  And not just a minority of moralists who see sin everywhere and for whom the devil is more powerful than God. [Ummm…who said anything about that?  I will note that Bishop Sergio is calling many great Saints “puritans” who don’t know or trust God.  I think that sentiment says all that needs to be said]

Bishop Sergio is, of course, a bishop “in good standing” with the Church.

D’oh, I see Rorate already covered this.

Comments

1. Elizabeth - December 20, 2012

Can Bishops be de-frocked, de-bishoped?

tantamergo - December 20, 2012

Certainly. Pope Benedict XVI forced the former bishop of Miami to resign – the one before current Bishop Wenski, I forget his name. There were grave problems of a deviant sexual nature. Other bishops have resigned due to the abuse scandals, and the Pope forced 3 or 4 bishops around the world to resign last year for various reasons, sometimes financial improprieties, sometimes for preaching heterodoxy.

2. lionelandradesLionel Andrades - December 20, 2012

France’s Interior Ministry to monitor supporters of Vatican Council II ?
France’s Interior Minister Manuel Valls told a conference that the French socialist government will monitor certain groups for “religious pathology,” including a traditionalist Catholic organization, and will shut them down if it is discovered.(1)

Valls said that ‘the government would be monitoring violence’ among religious groups ‘including Civitas, an organization of lay Catholics which is associated with the Society of Saint Pius X.’

He said that ‘Civitas is observed because its political protests flirt with “the limits of legality … All excesses are being minutely registered in case we have to consider dissolving it and defending this before a judge.” ‘

Civitas is ‘ a political movement inspired by natural law and the social doctrine of the Church … engaged in the establishment of the social Kingship of Christ’ throughout the world, and in France in particular. It demonstrates against secularism and policies which denigrate Christianity, according to Reuters, a leftist news agency.

Reuters in other reports, especially by their Religious News Editor, (2) assumes that Vatican Council II has changed the teachings of the Catholic Church on other religions since he assumes that references to those saved implicitly are explicit i.e we can see cases in 2012 who are dead and now saved in invincible ignorance or a good conscience (LG 16). We can allegedly meet people on the streets, according to Reuters propaganda on Vatican Council II , who are dead and saved with the seeds of the word, implicit desire,imperfect communion with the church etc.

Without the Reuters error of being able to see the dead on earth, Vatican Council II affirms the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Dignitatis Humanae (DH) of Vatican Council II supports the Social Reign of Jesus Christ, as opposed to the secular concept from Rousseau etc.

DH recognizes the religious freedom and rights of non Catholics in a society with a secular Constitution. Even Catholic traditionalists accept this and do not oppose non Catholics legally or physically.

DH also endorses the moral necessity of proclaiming the Catholic Faith outside of which there is no salvation (AG 7).

Vatican Council II does not say that implicit salvation is explicit and an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus salus and the Syllabus of Errors.For discerning Catholics Vatican Council II is a traditional Council irrespective of the ignorance of Reuters and the SSPX on this isuse.

So when President Francois Hollande’s creates the “National Observatory of Secularism” to direct legal hate at Catholics, he would also have to monitor those who affirm Vatican Council II in agreement with extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors and the Social Kingship of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

The leftist media and organisations oppose Vatican Council II presently, since they assume implicit salvation is explicit.Soon this image in the bubble could burst.(3)

For Catholics God and not man, must be the center of all political legislation.All laws must conform to the teachings of the only Church Jesus founded outside of which there is no salvation.This is opposed by the secular philosophies of leftist and communist governments.
-Lionel Andrades

(1)
http://clericalwhispers.blogspot.it/2012/12/government-announces-probe-into-sspx.html

(2)
REUTERS MAKES AN OBJECTIVE MISTAKE ON CATHOLIC DOCTRINE AND ECCLESIA DEI/ CDF DO NOT CLARIFY
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/reuters-makes-objective-mistake-on.html#links

(3)
ARCHBISHOP,CATHOLIC PRIESTS AND LAY APOLOGIST SAY VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT CONTRADICT THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS AND THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS : “We don’t know any case of the baptism of desire or invincible ignorance.Only Jesus can judge”
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/archbishopcatholic-priests-and-lay.html#links

YEAR OF THE FAITH : VATICAN COUNCIL II AND THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AFFIRMS THE LITERAL INTERPRETATION OF THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/year-of-faith-vatican-council-ii-and.html#links

3. Richard - December 21, 2012

bishop Favalora was the old bishop from the Archdiocese of Miami. I’ve heard since Favalora’s departure, St. John Vianney Seminary in Miami has had much better formation.

Not long after Pope Benedict XVI became Pope, the old bishop of Cleveland (Pilla) resigned and was replaced quickly. I remember going to Mass at the Cathedral in Cleveland one Sunday (August 2001) and could not believe how empty the Cathedral was for the 10:30 a.m. Mass. The people that were there didn’t seem to want to be there either.

I’ve heard that the Cleveland Diocese has undergone much change for the better under it’s current Bishop.


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