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Boy Scouts caving on homosexual policy? January 29, 2013

Posted by Tantumblogo in Basics, Dallas Diocese, disaster, error, foolishness, General Catholic, North Deanery, sadness, scandals, secularism, sexual depravity, Society.

Uff da.  This one will be bad.  If true, but the huge amount of coverage makes it seem like it almost certainly is, and the BSA ain’t denying this.  It appears one of the most stalwart organizations for defense of traditional values and morality is caving in to the homosexual lobby, primarily over the decline in support from corporate donors.  Corporate America has almost universally instituted policies against supporting any charity or other entity that “discriminates,” and since the radical gay lobby has managed to get the federal government to deem them a protected class, the BSA is officially discriminatory.  Thus, no money.  Thus, the cave:

The Boy Scouts of America (BSA) is considering lifting their longtime ban on  gay scouts and scout leaders.

“Currently, the BSA is discussing potentially removing the national  membership restriction regarding sexual orientation,” BSA spokesman Deron Smith  said in an emailed statement.

Lifting the ban would mean that individual scout groups would be able to  decide how to confront the issue.

“This would mean there would no longer be any national policy regarding  sexual orientation, and the chartered organizations that oversee and deliver  Scouting would accept membership and select leaders consistent with each  organization’s mission, principles, or religious beliefs,” Smith added, noting  that families could choose which scouting unit best served their needs.

Smith stressed that any policy change would not “dictate a position” but  rather allow units to decide how to confront the issue on their own.

“Under this proposed policy, the BSA would not require any chartered  organization to act in ways inconsistent with that organization’s mission,  principles, or religious beliefs,” he said.

How this plays out, who knows.  Many Scout troops are based in different kinds of churches – a lot of them Catholic – so perhaps the individual groups will keep the “ban,” which isn’t really, it’s just a qualification for membership. But that’s probably being naively optimistic.  What will occur is that certain very high profile efforts will be made demanding entry to various scout troops, they won’t have any resources to fend off such an assault, and the cave will be on.

This will only end badly.  If it was not OK for Catholic boys to engage in sleep overs with homosexual priests in the rectory – and it wasn’t, we all know how that turned out, and the suffering of thousands still goes on – then why will it be OK for boys to sleep in the same tent with gay scoutmasters?   That’s not at all to say that most or even many scoutmasters will do any thing untoward, but some will, some additional number that is much more difficult, if not impossible, to occur with the current policy.

Judging by comments I’ve read on different sites, folks are pretty upset about this.  Many people talking of pulling their kids out of the Boy Scouts if this occurs.

I was a Boy Scout for a while.  I had previously been a very happy Cub Scout, which I really liked. Unfortunately, by the time I hit middle school it had been decided – by that nameless, faceless mass of opinion that bears no name – that being in the Scouts was very, very uncool.  So I was a very blase, lackadaisical Scout.  I dropped out after 7th grade.  Still, it is very sad to see this.

This is the unspoken kind of pressure that can be put on organizations to get them to toe the line. My own company engages in this kind of crap all the time – we have mandatory sexual harrassment and environmental training every year. The environmental is especially egregious, it is little more than an apology for the most radical global warming theories. We’re all gonna die!  But it is through this sort of death of a thousand cuts that people fall away from their traditional beliefs and Christian morality.  It’s the constant pressure, everywhere, that wears us down and makes us acquiesce.  That’s why the gay marriage thing is gaining support, not because people really think it’s a good idea – although they may say so in a poll or in polite company, because that is what is now expected – but because they’re simply getting worn down. The Scouts have been worn down.

Pray.  Pray for strength that you don’t get worn down, and one day find yourself declaring that what two people do to each other has no impact on you, or the culture at large.  Apostasy is sooooo easy.  Pray to remain strong. And if you’re not in a parish that affirms the Truth Christ has revealed through His Church – all of it, publicly and regularly – perhaps it is time to seek one out. I pray you can find that kind of support, because no man is an island and divided we fall.

Dark times ahead. Very dark times.



1. Stewart - January 29, 2013

Maybe BSA fears the wrath of the LGBT bullies more than they fear the wrath of God … so sad.

2. Raul De La Garza III (@raul_delagarza) - January 29, 2013

The BSA has killed their organization. Membership shall drop and the once honorable organization shall be no more.

3. Warren Memlib - January 29, 2013

1. The USCCB’s reaction (hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BOY_SCOUTS_GAYS?SITE=RIPRJ&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT):

Said Sister Mary Ann Walsh, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, “The bishops hope the Boy Scouts will continue to work under the Judeo-Christian principles upon which they were founded and under which they have served youth well.”

2. Next a God-less Scouts’ oath?]

Scouts’ pledge to drop any mention of God in promise with new members able to declare themselves as atheists

By Steve Doughty
PUBLISHED: 3 December 2012

The Scouts are to drop their historic rule that teenage recruits must declare religious belief, the movement’s leaders said yesterday.

In future boys and girls who join the organisation will be allowed to declare themselves as atheists and make a pledge of honourable behaviour that makes no mention of God.

More at http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2242584/Scouts-pledge-drop-mention-God-promise-new-members-able-declare-atheists.html

Raul De La Garza III (@raul_delagarza) - January 29, 2013

The BSA is toast.

4. Woody - January 29, 2013

If this is allowed, the foot in the door will then kick it open to allow all sorts of adults with sexual perversions to prey on children. You would think those in charge would be saying “Are we kidding ourselves? Look what happened to the Catholic Church when they allowed homosexual priests in!” What fools they are. And remember, if homosexual behavior is normal, no one will report normal behavior on those camping trips.

5. Richard - January 30, 2013

As the BSA board meets next week, it is crucial that they hear from those who stand with them and their current policy regarding homosexuality. Please call the Boy Scouts of America at 972-580-2000 and tell them that you want to see the organization stand firm in its moral values and respect the right of parents to discuss these sexual topics with their children.

6. Richard - January 30, 2013

As an Eagle Scout myself, I sure hope that the Boy Scouts stand firm. This “caving” looks like the “don’t ask, don’t tell” for the Scouts. I know Levi Strauss stopped donations, but being based in San Francisco, I wasn’t too surprised.

The 12th point of the Scout Law is “A Scout is Reverent”. (The Girl Scouts in 1993 made the word “God” optional in their pledge, where the Boy Scouts still say, “To God and my Country” as part of the Boy Scout Oath.) The words, “to keep myself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight” are in the Boy Scout Oath.

I enjoyed my Scouting experience, and back in the 1980’s, it really was not a popular thing. Usually around 7th or 8th grade, guys got into football or some other sports, and moved on. Others left because kids routinely made fun of them because they were in Scouts, which I thought was rude and uncalled for. When I saw those kids at my 10 year high school reunion, it was a different story altogether. Many told me they wish they would have stayed in Scouts. From what I see of Scouts and their parents today, it seems like there is less teasing, which is good.

In response to behavior on camping trips, since the 1980’s, the Boy Scouts has had a strict policy with the youth. While I don’t think homosexuals should be allowed in the organization (IMHO they are not good role models for men), I will say that Scout leaders have to go through training, and have background checks. I’m told by some Scoutmasters and Assistant Scoutmasters that the Scout training is more thorough than the Diocesan Safe Environment Training.

On outings, there always have to be two adults, and there is no sharing tents between youth and adults. There are also rules that apply to the use of facilities. Before 1980, one Scoutmaster could take up to ten youth on a camping trip – those days are definitely a thing of the past.

I think the Boy Scouts can survive by sticking to their guns. They have been around in America since 1910.

7. Brody - January 31, 2013

I appreciate very much that someone else in the catholic world is remaining strong against the tide of sodomite behavior and expectancy to support it. Im from Canada and homosexuality is a huge rampant problem here,the church, powerless to stop it. I personally think the fathers of confederation,true conservatives would be reduced to tears by how Canada has turned out socially. Potentially this is due to far ti wide a separation between church and government?

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