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Shut me up – more about Pope Francis and the TLM March 14, 2013

Posted by Tantumblogo in Basics, episcopate, General Catholic, Latin Mass, Liturgy, Papa, persecution, priests, sadness, scandals, secularism.

I just noted in another post that negative reports regarding the TLM in Buenos Aires on traditionalist sites may have been exaggerated.  Well, Rorate Caeli just came out with a post that establishes pretty clearly that then-Cardinal Bregoglio did truly oppose the TLM in his Archdiocese of Buenos Aires, and that even the one monthly TLM permitted was a butchered TLM-NO hybrid.  Not good:

And so what was the great and generous application of Summorum Pontificum in the Archdiocese of Buenos Aires? One Novus Ordo-TLM hybrid once a month. And, as it happens to any badly celebrated Latin Mass, the number of attending faithful fast dwindled from one hundred to a handful. And, naturally, it was discontinued. So, as correctly mentioned in WikiMissa, there is currently not a single actual Traditional Mass according to the 1962 Missal celebrated by diocesan priests of the Archdiocese of Buenos Aires. And every priest who tried to truly implement Summorum in his parish  – that is, out of their own initiative, without “authorization” from the Bishop – was ordered to stop. It is what happened to a poor priest who tried to do it in the chapel of the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, in October 2007, and was personally ordered by the Archbishop to stop in November 2007. [The complete post of this shameful event, also mentioned by Página Católica, in a 2011 post, will also be translated and posted shortly.]

That is how the then-Archbishop applied Summorum in his diocese. Now, will that have any influence in his current Supreme position? We shall see. We certainly do have a very liturgical new pope, with determined liturgical views, implemented from his very first minutes as pope. Whether these views will be pleasing to some who are now criticizing us is an altogether different matter. On the other hand, those who are used to bending will certainly have no problem with the changes.
*** This is also important: the diocesan Traditional Masses mentioned by dear Fr. Finigan as occurring in Argentina do not include any in the Archdiocese of Buenos Aires precisely because there is not any there, which is limited to the Federal Capital (Autonomous City of Buenos Aires, which, despite the name, is outside Buenos Aires Province, in a comparable situation to the District of Columbia and Maryland). The three mentioned by him are in Buenos Aires Province: Villa Celina (La Matanza Partido, Diocese of Lomas de Zamora), Rawson (Chacabuco Partido, Diocese of Mercedes-Luján), and La Plata (Capital of the Province of Buenos Aires, Archdiocese of La Plata). The Archbishop’s territory became a Summorum-free zone.
So, my comments regarding Pope Francis not being focused on liturgical matters may be inoperative from the start.  It appears he may have a definitive hostility towards the traditional Mass and favors liturgical innovations/abuses very highly.
How many liturgical dancers could St. Peter’s accomdate?
On a more serious note, will this switch in attitude at the highest level of the Church undo the progress made under Summorum Pontificum?  Does anyone thing Pope Francis would actually repeal Summorum Pontificum/Universae Ecclesiae?  Certainly, those bishops who had responded coldly to those motu proprios are now even less likely to be generous.  Hmmmm…….


1. James - March 14, 2013
tantamergo - March 18, 2013

Sorry this got into junk, James. I just fished it out. Yes, I’m not surprised. God, have mercy on us!

2. Dan - March 15, 2013

Larry am I reading this right? Our Holy Father is not a fan of TLM?

tantamergo - March 15, 2013

That’s what is being reported. Rorate Caeli claims more than not a fan, more like very hostile to it. Some were disputing that, but I think Rorate may have just ended that dispute.

3. lionelandrades - March 15, 2013

March 15, 2013
Odds are that Pope Francis was teaching heresy at the Jesuit theology classes in Argentine
Father Leonard Feeney was a Jesuit. He said that there is no baptism of desire which is an exception to the literal interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.The Jesuits dismissed him from the community.Since that time they have been teaching that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are physically visible to us.They allege that we can personally know these cases.So for them these cases of the deceased-visible are bonafide exceptions to the dogma on salvation.They are known exceptions to Fr. Leonard Feeney and the Church Councils, popes and saints’ interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This new version of the dogma with the irrational theory , is being taught at Jesuit universities and seminaries all over the world.

So it is likely that the new pope, a Jesuit professor of theology, was also using the dead man walking and visible theory in this ‘development of doctrine’.

As a cardinal in Argentine he would also be known to the present Jesuit Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican, Cardinal Luis Ladaria S.J. Cardinal Ladaria claims on the Vatican website of the International Theological Commission (ITC) that there are known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the literal interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney.

This error of the Jesuit pope was not corrected by the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX). Since Bishop Richard Williamson as Rector of the SSPX seminary in Argentina also assumed that the baptism of desire was visible and there were known exceptions to the dogma. Neither was it corrected by any of the SSPX members participating in the Vatican-SSPX doctrinal talks.So at universities and seminaries in Argentine too, they could have accepted this ‘development of doctrine’ based on the irrationality of being able to see the dead alive on earth.

This is iimportant for the SSPX, since it means the new pope will now interpret Vatican Council II (AG 7) as a break with the past and contradicting itself.Ad Gentes 7 (all need faith and baptism for salvation) will contradict Lumen Gentium 16 ( physically visible cases saved in invincible ignorance or a good conscience).

LG 16 will also contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors since our pope believes that those saved in invincible ignorance or a good conscience are explicitly known to us, we can see them in the flesh. So they are known exceptions to Fr.Leonard Feeney’s literal interpretation of the dogma and the rest of Tradition.

It would be a break with the past since the pope will be interpreting the Council with the visible-dead theory. A break with the past ? Does that sound familiar ?

Recently Archbishop Gerhard Muller, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican said those who interpret Vatican Council II as a break with the past are heretical. He was referring to progressives and traditionalists.He could well be referring to our new pope.

This is an error that the pope can correct. He can finally do justice to the Fr.Leonard Feeney case and correct the factual error made by the Jesuits in Boston.It is a fact that the pope nor any of us can physically see the dead on earth.-Lionel Andrades

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