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Church in Latin America in accelerated collapse July 23, 2013

Posted by Tantumblogo in abdication of duty, Basics, demographics, disaster, error, foolishness, General Catholic, Papa, secularism, sickness, silliness.

Tancred at Eponymous Flower posts some timely data regarding the Church in Brazil, where the Holy Father is trying to stem the tide with another World Youth Day extravaganza. Recent polling data from Brazil indicates the Church there is in severe, if not terminal, decline.  Membership in the Church has fallen by over 1/3 just inthe past 40 years. Most fallen away Catholics there are opting for evangelical protestantism, but some are simply skipping that step of the process and jumping straight to sexular pagan atheism (Brazil has long had great struggles, culturally as a nation, with chastity and modesty). Most other nations in S. America mirror this trend, although the problems are more advanced in Brazil, Uruguay, and Argentina, than they are in some other South American nations.  The problem seems to get worse as one goes east on the continent.

I note in passing that these eastern South American nations (Brazil, et., al), are where the “spirit of Vatican II” has most insidiously asserted itself into the life of the Church, and where Tradition is most assiduously disregarded. There are other factors – such as the ascendency of the left in those countries, with the “right” being associated with Tradition, often unfairly – but the prime reason is the radical shift in the practice of the Faith in the past 50 years. The data:

Brazil is the country with the most Catholics worldwide. 123 million Brazilians profess the Catholic Church. It was not until half a century ago Religionsentwicklung-in-Brasilien-253x300virtually the entire population Catholic, the proportion of Catholics since the Second Vatican Council has plummeted. From 92 percent in 1970 to 65 percent in 2010.

At the same time the Protestants experienced an equally unexpected and rapid rise. Their share in the same period grew from five to 22 percent. While the Catholics are holding during the years of he 20th century at just more than 120 million members, not decreasing, but not increasing either, while the number of Protestants has grown only since 2000 from 26 to 42 million. [Liberalism and excessive emphasis on “social justice” do not move people to participate in the Faith.  The people who have left, by and large, probably felt starved of a real relationship with Jesus Christ, of an understanding of the Sacraments (anyone who understands the Sacraments could never leave the Church, save, perhaps, to the Orthodox), or of any truly transcendental experience.  People who, at one time, received tremendous influx of Grace from Baptism or whatever Sacrament, will not be sustained by clown Masses, touchy-feely humanism, and constant leftist agitprop. “Social Justice,” as it is presented by church liberals, and even worse, liberation theology, are death to the authentic, sanctifying practice of the Faith.  That is reason #1 why the Church in Brazil especially, but Latin America in general, is rapidly collapsing.]

By Protestant, is not meant the Lutheran or Reformed churches known in Northern Hemisphere. In Brazil this historical strand of Protestantism does not flower, but the Pentecostals and Evangelicals do. One in five Brazilians belongs to a group of younger Protestant sects which were imported from the United States to the Latin American country. Since then, several new communities that have arisen in Brazil, the Igreja Pentecostal Deus é Amor (IPDA). [What do the pentecostals and evangelicals stress?  Bible study, and a personal relation with Jesus – that is, the transcendent, a vision beyond the misery of this life.  When the Church, in these people’s experience, has been reduced to a lefty worldly do-good society (even though leftism does only harm, in the long run), there is no choice, they flee.  I have to add, they only flee, because they are so badly formed in the Faith to begin with, they do not understand what they had.]

On a smaller scale, other religions have grown in recent decades. Most through immigration. Within the country, the number of followers of syncretic Afro-Brazilian spiritualist cults such as Umbanda and Candomblé increased from six million in 2000 to ten million.

In 1970 there were less than a million without a religion, the number of agnostics and atheists has grown to 15 million.

The changes occur as a phenomenon in both women and men, among educated and less educated. It is more pronounced among the under-50s. One difference is particularly visible between the cities and the rural areas. While the country is still 78 percent Catholic, it is in the urban areas at only 62 percent where the Evangelicals and Pentecostals are particularly active, but also the number of atheists and agnostics is greater.

In Rio de Janeiro, the goal of Pope Francis, Catholics are at 46 percent only a minority.

So, the leading city of Brazil is no longer majority-Catholic.  That’s not a shame, it’s a calamity of earth-shattering proportions. 

Someday, the Church will learn it’s lesson. Someday, all this wrong emphasis, error, heresy, and rank apostasy will be recognized for what they are.  It may not be until the Last Day, but it will happen. 

Domine, miserere nobis.


1. TG - July 24, 2013

This remind me of a comment Father Corapi made. He said he was asked by Latin American bishops to attend a meeting. They discussed all this that you have in your article. They asked Father Corapi what he thought was the reason for fallen away Catholics becoming evangelical Christians. He said (paraphrasing) that’s easy, you drove them away. When they asked what did he mean he said, at least the Protestants are still speaking about hell and sin. Then he went on and basically said what you said in your red comments.

2. Steve - July 24, 2013

You mentioned that in South American nations, the “spirit of Vatican II” had asserted itself into the life of the Church.

I encountered a “spirit of Vatican II” moment this past weekened when I read the Saint Paul The Apostle parish bulletin.

I felt sad for Holy Mother Church when I read that this Friday at said parish is “Steaks and Games” night.

The Men’s Club at Saint Paul The Apostle has invited “all men of the parish” to bring steaks to the parish to be grilled.

Following the steak dinner, the men will then play poker.

I grew up when Holy Mother Church did not permit us to eat meat on Fridays…when She instilled into us a spirit of penance.

Forget that.

Now, a Catholic parish urges us grill steaks on Fridays…and we wonder as to why our sense of being Catholic has been weakened greatly.

I am not picking on St Paul’s parish. I realize that they are far from alone when it coomes to endorsing practices that shatter Catholic identity.

Such is the “spirt of Vatican II.”

Now, to tie the above to the topic at hand…the collapse of the Church in Brazil…and Latin America.

I recall 20…30 years ago when conservative Catholics predicted that the influx of Hispanic Catholic immigrants into the United States would save the collapsing Church in the United States.

I recall 20…30 years ago when many conservative Catholics predicted that the influx of Hispanic Catholic immigrants into the United States would save the collapsing Church in the United States.

Yes, in sheer numbers, Catholics from Latin America who entered into the United States helped to replace the millions of Catholics in the U.S. who had abandoned the Church.

But in turn, alarming numbers of Latin American Catholics in the United States abandoned the Church as well.

In terms of spirituality…in leavening the Church in the United States, Latin American Catholics failed in that task as many had been, if you will, just as Novus Ordoized as Catholic born in raised in the United States.

What is very frightening is that in place of a miraculous turnaround in Latin America, the Church there will continue to experience Her horrific collapse.

In turn, any hope that Latin American immigrants could rescue the Church in the United States would disappear.

It is shocking that countries that had for centuries been Catholic, even if somewhat nominally, are turning Protestant.

When the Faith is disappearing in said countries…well, guess as to where we are headed.

In the meantime, how do our parishes intend to revive a strong sense of Catholic identity…to call us to our senses…to penance?

By urging the Faithful to grill steaks on Friday night.

If the “spirit of Vatican II” nonsense continues throughout the Church, we will end up barbecuing ourselves.

3. Steve - July 24, 2013

Wow! From the Los Angeles Times:


RIO DE JANEIRO — By all accounts, Pope Francis has already won over many hearts in Brazil with his simplicity and message of caring for the poor. But as he travels the country on his first overseas trip as pontiff, he will be speaking to a group of young Catholics who hold far more liberal views than the church hierarchy on a number of issues, including female priests, homosexuality and abortion.

For instance, 82% of Brazilian Catholics ages 16 to 29 think they should be able to use the morning-after pill to prevent pregnancy, 72% support ending the celibacy requirement for priests, and 62% believe women should be candidates for ordination, according to a survey published Sunday by the Brazilian Institute of Public Opinion and Statistics.

A majority of young respondents also opposed the criminalization of abortion (62%), and 56% said they accepted “union between people of the same sex,” using the language in Portuguese usually covering gay marriage and/or civil unions.

Same-sex marriage was in effect legalized under a judicial ruling in Brazil this year.

“Getting married is a right that gay people should have and we shouldn’t be able to take it away from them, no matter what we think,” 19-year old Victoria Carvalho said just moments after she got a glimpse of the pope Monday.

She said she attends Catholic Mass regularly but doesn’t agree with the church on all of its doctrines, such as those prohibiting the use of condoms.

“We’ve seen people go to other religions, for example [African-inspired] Candomble, because they’re more open to the 21st century,” she said.

Leonardo Boff, a former Catholic priest and prominent theologian who clashed with the previous two popes over his support for left-leaning liberation theology, has enthusiastically welcomed Francis.

He agreed, however, that the Brazil that Francis will see over the next several days will not be a place devoted to Catholic orthodoxy.

“Brazilians are profoundly religious. They see the presence of God in everything,” he said. “God isn’t an object of faith, but of experience…. But this doesn’t mean they are doctrinaire in their Catholicism.

“The vast majority don’t follow Catholic doctrine because they don’t know it well. Brazilians are cultural Catholics, not orthodox Catholics.”

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