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Second to last Novus Ordo Latin Mass EVER at St. Mark tonight! September 16, 2013

Posted by Tantumblogo in Basics, Dallas Diocese, episcopate, error, General Catholic, Latin Mass, North Deanery, sadness, the return.

That’s tonight, Monday, September 16 at 7pm.  I think it would be great to have the place just overflowing, although I won’t hold my breath on that count.  But it would be great to go out with a bang, so to speak.

Next week, after the final Mass, the great Schola, which has soldiered along with the Mass for the past 2 1/3 years, will sing a Te Deum in thanksgiving for this “experiment” even having been conducted.  But it does appear the results of the experiment are in, and Mater Dei and St. William in Greenville will remain the only game in town, so far as Latin Mass is concerned.  At least for the time being. I have no doubt that with the younger generation of priests, there will be more and more opportunities for Latin Mass as time goes by.

Much prayer is called for.

Dominus vobiscum!


Some day soon, I pray!


1. Raul De La Garza III (@raul_delagarza) - September 16, 2013

Does that sound something like this?

2. Michael Sestak - September 16, 2013


I guess I don’t understand the importance of the Novus Ordo Mass in Latin.

Wouldn’t it make more sense for the Bishop to provide the 1962 Liturgy in all of its splendor rather than giving the people the New Mass dubbed in Latin? I’m not trying to be sardonic. I just don’t understand why this experiment will be greatly missed.

My thought is: Latin is “accidental,” not “substantial,” philosophically speaking. It’s certainly important, but it’s not critical to the substance of liturgical worship. The lex orandi, on the other hand, is substantial, and the differences between 1962 and 1969 are many and great. That being said, one would be better off with the 1962 in the vernacular than the 1969 in Latin. Something to chew on. 🙂

tantamergo - September 16, 2013

Umm….go back to last Tuesday and read my post on the matter. I completely agree with you that the TLM is immensely superior to the Novus Ordo in numerous respects. And I haave argued exactly what you are saying there, that the TLM in vernacular would be much better than the Novus Ordo in Latin. Even though Latin is the universal language of the Church, and the Council intended Latin to remain in the Mass, all the other problems with the Novus Ordo far outweigh any benefits of having it offered in Latin, vice vernacular.

You’re coming to a very long, involved situation very late. There is a great deal of politics involved. I would have loved to have had a TLM in place of the NO offered in Latin, but that was not a possibility. Our Bishop sees no need for more TLMs, outside our FSSP parish, which is growing like wildfire and will have to do something about capacity problems, soon.

Michael Sestak - September 16, 2013

I see. Well, it seems the Bishop may be in denial…

3. Woody - September 16, 2013

Again, it will not remain where it is not wanted. And this NO Latin Mass is not wanted by Fr. Smith. If it was up to him, it would have been cancelled a year and a half ago. I’m surprised it took this long for the bishop to cancel it.

4. Steve - September 16, 2013

Ahh..Saint Mark The Evangelist Catholic Community

1. A parish of the Latin Church.
That is “Latin” Church. “Latin” Church. Latin.

2. Not Sunday Mass (or Saturday vigil Mass) at the parish is prayed in Latin.

3. Vatican II declared the following: “The use of the Latin language is to be preserved in the Latin rites.”

4. Vatican II declared the following: “Steps should be taken so that the Faithful may also be able to say or to sing together in Latin those parts of the Ordinary of the Mass which pertain to them.”

5. Vatican II declared the following: Gregorian Chant is “specially suited to the Roman Liturgy” and that Gregorian Chant “should be given pride of place in liturgical services.”

By the way, the General Instruction of the Roman Missal reiterates the above teachings.

The reality is at Saint Mark’s, a Catholic who expects to encounter Latin and Gregorian Chant is denied that which Holy Mother Church teaches is his/her spiritual right.

The incredible thing is that at least one priest at Saint Mark’s is able to offer Mass in Latin.

Therefore, Saint Mark’s is unable to claim that they lack a priest versed in Latin.

At the very least, Saint Mark’s possesses, a skilled musical director and choir members who perform Gregorian Chant.

Therefore, Gregorian Chant could be featured during a Mass or Masses each weekend at the parish.

It simply comes down to the following at Saint Mark’s:

— Saint Mark’s is determined to thwart Holy Mother Church’s teachings in regard to Vatican II.

— Saint Mark’s would like to implement said teachings, but Bishop Farrell is determined to thwart the teachings in question.

— Or both parties are in agreement that the Church’s teachings in question will not see the light of day at Saint Mark’s.

As I am in the dark as to parish and Chancery politics, I ask the following sincerely:

Why does Saint Mark’s not feature Latin and Gregorian Chant during Mass?

Raul De La Garza III (@raul_delagarza) - September 17, 2013

Or most other parishes in the Dallas area, heck, for the whole of Texas?!

5. Steve - September 17, 2013

“Our Bishop sees no need for more TLMs, outside our FSSP parish, which is growing like wildfire and will have to do something about capacity problems, soon.”

What I am unable in any way to understand about Bishop Farrell (as well as bishops and priests who share his Latin Church upbringing) is his opposition to the Traditional Roman Mass in the following sense:

Bishop Farrell, who was born in 1947 A.D., spent about the first 18 to 20 years of his Catholic life…at least until the early 1960s…nourished spiritually by the Traditional Roman Mass.

That is, I assume that during that time, he loved his Catholic life. I would think that he was formed well by the holy and ancient Roman Mass.

Otherwise, I would find it difficult to understand as to why, during the early-to-mid-1960s, after having been formed spiritually by the Traditional Roman Mass, he entered novitiate about that time.

Therefore, believing that he must have loved Holy Mass at least through the early 1960s, when the Traditional Roman Mass was in place throughout the Latin Church, I am unable to fathom as to why he is determined to prevent the widespread implementation of Summorum Pontificum.

Does he fear the Traditional Roman Mass?

In the opposite sense of Bishop Farrell, I understand as why many of today’s younger priests who have grown up with the Novus Ordo are attracted to Holy Tradition and the Traditional Roman Mass. They are well aware as to the liturgical and spiritual wasteland that is associated with Novus Ordoism.

I wish Bishop Farrell many happy and blessed years. I have every reason to believe that in his personal life, Bishop Farrell is a holy man.

I also believe that the tremendous surge in interest in the Traditional Roman Mass, particularly among young Catholics, is the work of the Holy Ghost.

Therefore, I have every reason to believe that someday, God will bless the Dallas Diocese with a holy bishop
who, like Bishop Farrell, will conduct his personal life in holy fashion ,but who, unlike Bishop Farrell, will prove keen to implement Summorum Pontificum throughout the diocese.

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