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Pope Francis’ disconcerting choice of words – weekend reading September 27, 2013

Posted by Tantumblogo in Basics, disconcerting, episcopate, General Catholic, Papa, reading, sadness, scandals, the return.

I just read a truly depressing, at yet at the same time, must read piece on the most infamous interview of a pope in the last several decades.  It is interesting to see the concern and anxiety spread beyond usual traddy or traddy-leaning circles.  A lot of folks are worried, confused, and anxious. I know I am.  Sensible Bond, whom I haven’t read much before, has a great post on the choice of words Pope Francis used in that interview.  To me, the Pope’s words tend towards the language of revolution.  But, as “Bond” notes, in a delicious phrase, we are in the period of the Phony War.  We don’t know a whole lot yet, as there has been little concrete action taken (but look for that to change very soon, within the next month).  But, at the same time, I think many, many faithful souls have the sense that something is building, building…….there is rhetoric aplenty, and much of it (most of it?) points in a direction that leaves souls – especially souls that suffered through the first explosion of revolution in the 60s and 70s, or who have studied that period extensively……extremely disquieted.

So, go read Bond, and have a good weekend. Or a bad one. Whatever you choose. It’s supposed to rain here in Dallas, and I pray it does.  No soccer!  Yay!  And our parched soil could use another 15 or 20 inches.

I thought about posting a question along the lines of……..what will you do if or when Pope Francis crosses “that line?”  Whatever that line is, for you.  Some might say it is useless to worry, but I’m not sure it’s worry.  It’s more like, planning for some reasonably likely event.  Like building a tornado shelter in Texas – you will likely never need it, but if you do, you’ll be exceedingly glad you have it.

My great fear is that Pope Francis will neuter the ancient curial offices (whatever their names today, compared to the past) and transfer huge gobs of authority to the national conferences, which have absolutely no tradition of authority in the Church (and, to date, have NO actual authority) and are utterly dominated by progressives. But the wind through the willows says that is very, very likely.

God bless you!


1. RC - September 28, 2013

I’m pretty (extremely) worried that Francis is going to cede a lot of the papal authority to the local bishops conferences, and when/if that happens, I expect nothing less of disaster. I didn’t come close to living in the 60’s or 70’s, but if it gets worse, I’d hate to see what that looks like; maybe the Church has to implode to get better? Trying to think positively. But If this happens then I will 100% only go to a TLM community, no matter how far, cause this is when the liberals will come out in full swing at the local parishes, I’ve volunteered at parishes and I know they’re waiting in the wings. BTW can Francis even do this? If papal supremacy has been defined and all that, can he lessen the supremacy? I’m afraid to speculate what this would even mean. I think a lot of people will be owing Rorate a big time apology.

2. Brad - September 28, 2013

Good Idea

3. Janet Baker - September 28, 2013

Okay, come on, let’s buck up. Maybe we need this final exposure of the Council. Maybe it will lead to good, a final repudiation of all the half-stepping we’ve been doing ever since England gave up the Restoration. I mean, this is not new. It just takes a long time to roll out.

tantamergo - September 28, 2013

Mrs. Baker –

Which book do you more strongly recommend from Archbishop Lefebvre….Uncrowned or Open Letter? I have the former, was wondering whether it was worth it to get the latter.


skeinster - September 28, 2013

I have “Open Letter”, if you want to borrow it. It was on the shelf at H-PB, so it was a ‘sign’ that it wanted to come home with me. Just let me know, and we can switch out the Integrity’s and the Belloc.

Re: your question.I plan to do what a priest we know tells us all the time: become a “great, great saint”. Which, lucky for us, anyone can do, irregardless of circumstances.
If sin is the problem, then sanctity is the answer.

4. Christopher Ekstrom - September 28, 2013

The most significant development, world wide, since VII is the ubiquity of mass media. This is the devils playground & the rampant errors of modernity are now effectively enshrined. If at the highest levels the Church embraces rather than rejects these principles than it should not require infinite study or patience to draw a True conclusion. We have the word of God & must pray that the Holy Spirit guide us (sans a True church). This is not just “protestant” it is the only viable Christian alternative to a poisoned well. The ancient world was bad & strong. The Apostles accepted martyrdom. This world is vile & weak. We will make very poor martyrs. Viva CRISTO Rey!

5. LCG - September 28, 2013

I have to think that Francis is one step backward in preparation for a forced march forward. Mass communications have never been more important to getting a message out, the last few years have seen many calls for the Church to get on board, there have been some initiatives, then along comes Francis with a loose mouth. The necessities of SMART communication are going to be borne in on the hierarchy by the lashback from Francis’ maunderings. Then there will be big-time correction. Let us pray sooner than later.

6. MMC - September 28, 2013

Hello TA! *waves* Was wondering where I could find a copy of THE INTERVIEW to read. My search engine can’t find a copy online or my brain is off and can’t put in the right search criteria:+) Thanks and God bless you!

Don - September 29, 2013

Is this what you are looking for?



7. Martina - September 29, 2013

I think your fear will come true because I read that Leonardo Boff proposed this (see Link below). ALL once condemned liberation theologians are very excited about the actions that have been taken by Pope Francis and hope they will very soon see more of them. Arch-heretic Hans Küng sees his dreams come true.
The problem is that most orthodox Catholics think they do not have to take those people seriously. But if you take a look at the influential circles of the NWO in which Leonardo Boff and Hans Küng are involved I think it would be very stupid not to take them seriously. They know the future better than most of us.

Randy Engel tells us what the NWO has planned long ago regarding the transformation of the Church and society:

8. RC - September 30, 2013

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