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Pope Francis embraces “hermeneutic of continuity?” November 14, 2013

Posted by Tantumblogo in awesomeness, Basics, episcopate, General Catholic, Grace, Papa, Society, true leadership, Virtue.

All the below is via Rorate, and before them via Sandro Magister.  Apparently, Pope Francis sent a letter to Bishop Marchetto, a former curial official.  He has authored a book that advocates for Pope Benedict’s “hermeneutic of reform in continuity” entitled The Second Vatican Ecumenical Council: A counterpoint for the history of the Council, which I have never read but is claimed to take a fairly traditional view of the Council and criticizes the progressive interpretation and implementation of Vatican II.

Pope Francis sent Bishop Marchetto a letter that not only calls Bishop Marchetto the “best interpreter” of Vatican II (would it not be preferable had the Council had the precision of a Trent or Vatican I where there was NO interpretation, because it’s meaning was crystalline?) but also thanks the bishop for correcting the Pope on some point.  The letter is below:

Dear Abp. Marchetto,


With these lines I wish to be close to you and join myself to the act of presentation of the book “Primato pontificio ed episcopato. Dal primo millennio al Concilio ecumenico Vaticano II” [Pontifical primacy and epicopate: from the first millennium to the Second Vatican Ecumenical Council”] I beg you to consider myself spiritually present [there].


The topic of the book is an homage to the love that you have for the Church, a loyal and at the same time poetic love. Loyalty and poetry are not an object of trade: they cannot be bought or sold, they simply are virtues that are rooted in a heart of a son who feels the Church to be a Mother; or, in order to be more precise, and saying it with an Ignatian familiar “tone”, as “the Holy Mother Hierarchical Church”.  


You have made this love manifest in many ways, including correcting a mistake or imprecision on my part – and for that I thank you from my heart -, but above all it is manifest in all your purity in the studies made on the Second Vatican Council. I once told you, dear Abp. Marchetto, and I wish to repeat it today, that I consider you to be the best interpreter of the Second Vatican Council.  


I know that this is a gift from God, but I also know that you made it bear fruit. I am grateful to you for all the good that you do for us with your testimony of love for the Church, and I ask the Lord that you be abundantly blessed.


I beg you please not to forget to pray for me. May Jesus bless you, and may the Virgin protect you.


Vatican, October 7, 2013
Very interesting.  And perhaps very reassuring. We certainly seem to get widely variant presentations, if you will, of who Pope Francis is and what he believes, sometimes, I must say, even from the Pope himself.  There are denunciations of Pelagian restorationists but then there is more talk of satan than we’ve heard from a Pontiff in decades.  The rhetoric and emphases vary widely depending on who the audience of the moment is.  It could be that Pope Francis is an incredibly complex man with a deep but very subtle theology, or  there are other, less flattering interpretations of this conduct.
It is quite possible we still have not seen the “real” Pope Francis.  There has been much talk and some background work, but very little in the way of notably public changes or initiatives.  Have things slowed down?   I suppose we’ll know much more this time next year.  In the meantime, I will pray.  Prayer can move mountains, and men’s souls.  Prayer certainly moved mine. Pray for the Pope every day!


1. Lorra - November 14, 2013

I hope you are right, but what I don’t understand is how someone who trained to be a Jesuit (and anyone who knows anything about that training knows it is thorough and complete and quite lengthy) could not know these things.

Another thing that makes me shake my head. After fifty years, we still don’t know what the documents of Vatican II really said?

tantamergo - November 14, 2013

Yep. It’s a scandal. The most nebulous ecumenical Council in 1500 years.

2. Janet Baker - November 14, 2013

Of course Pope Francis says the Council is continuous with tradition–what else could he say, people still remember mistily that we are not to change Christ’s teaching one jot, not one tittle. So of course he must say that. Once a year at least. Here’s how Bishop Fellay put in, I’m paraphrasing: they said to us, You believe in tradition, right? And we said, Right. And they said, So, this is the *new* tradition. And you’ll have to accept it. Bishop Fellay did not say this in the manner of a joke. In fact, he seemed heart-broken. Modernists are word-players. Playahs, period.

3. Janet Baker - November 14, 2013

Also, if you google ‘Gleize and Ocariz’, you will see a word-for-word breakdown of exactly where the documents say what, contrasted with the traditional teaching. It’s not all that mystical. The constitutions have little barbed nuggets that contradict tradition and these are stuck on Her throat. I mean the Church’s.

Here, I did it, to see if it’s still up, it’s on the DICI site:

4. Woody - November 14, 2013

Perhaps the Pope is finding out what it’s like to be the head of the entire Catholic Church on earth. He’s not in Buenos Aries any more.

tantamergo - November 14, 2013

I’ve heard that before. Could very well be true.

5. Steve - November 14, 2013

In regard to ‘Gleize and Ocariz’:

The One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, not the opinions of the Society of Saint Pius X, carry the day within the Holy Catholic Church.

That is why that which the Society has to say in regard to Vatican II is meaningless alongside that which Holy Mother Church has held officially in regard to Vatican II.

I have for decades admired much about the Society.

I also have always rejected their errors.

Like it or not, the Catholic Church’s teachings in regard to Vatican II are the official teachings of the Catholic Churh.

Alongside that reality, the Society’s opinions are meaningless.

6. Hannah - November 15, 2013

We need to see the Council for what it is. It contains errors incompatible with the Catholic Faith.

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