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No Francis effect in Austria so far January 17, 2014

Posted by Tantumblogo in abdication of duty, Basics, disconcerting, error, foolishness, General Catholic, sadness, scandals, Society, the return.

I am beginning to wonder if the purported “Francis effect” – the (it must be said, self-serving) idea put forth by mass media fans of Pope Francis that his purported “liberalization” of the Church (as presented by the media) would bring throngs back into the Faith.  Even many conservative-ish Catholic bloggers have openly opined that such would occur, or hoped so.

Well, thus far we have data from two countries thought perhaps most to benefit from the Francis effect, where many liberal/left wing souls have left the Church since it opposes so many of their sacred political shibboleths.  Italy was first, which showed a continuing slow decline in Mass attendance, and now we have data from extremely liberal Austria, where at least half the Church/priests are in open revolt and there is talk of schism. Heresy abounds.  Has Francis reversed the flood out of the Church, or slowed it dramatically?  The data from German Katholisches site says, no:

in Austria in 2013, there were more than leaving the church than in 2012. Nearly 55,000 Catholics have left the Catholic Church as a corporate body under public law. Thus more Austrians left the Church in the first year of the pontificate of Pope Francis, than in the last year of the pontificate of Pope Benedict XVI. The church leaders wonder about this phenomenon, which they had not expected.
“We would have expected better numbers,” said the Bishop of Linz Vicar William Viehböck. Following the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI. there was  relief heard from not a few official church authorities in Austria. The reasons are to be sought in the different understanding of the Church. The election of Pope Francis was greeted with cheers. Since then everything will “different” and “better”. But the harsh reality has caught up to the diocese now. [I think we can readily see why the Church is having such problems……]
The new figures refute this transparent, but black and white image, thanks to support of the media. In recent years  leaving the church had been interpreted by “appointed” sides as an “outcry” against “the log jam” and “backwardness”, yet there is currently a conspicuous silence. Church districts which are faithful have been demanding a fact-based analysis for years.  The individualization and dissolution of Church affiliation will be only be promoted rather than stopped by the progressive agenda with destruction of the liturgy, attenuated evangelization efforts and a staff that is no longer really Catholic, but speak in the name of the Church in public.
The increase in withdrawals is 4.8 percentThe percentage of Catholics in Austria’s population has thus declined   to a record low. From a Church perspective an exit from the Church is not possible. Through a serious act that violates church doctrine and order, believers can suffer excommunication and therefore the exclusion from the ecclesial community. [Especially if they don’t want to support the Liberal Tax-Church regime with its poorly managed healthcare facilities, liturgical abuses and shoddy catechesis.] This need not be explicitly imposed, but occurs automatically upon the act.
That last bit is particularly scandalous.  What Katholisches/Tancred is saying, is that those who opt not to pay the Church tax, publicly disassociating themselves from the Church, gets them automatically excommunicated, whether they may be daily Mass attendees and completely faithful souls, or not. Thus, good souls who have a philosophical problem with supporting the Church through “point of a gun” state-imposed confiscatory taxation incur automatic excommunication – ostensibly – for doing so.  But the worst left wing divorced-remarried heretic guilty of massive public scandal can present for Communion and it is not a problem in the slightest.
Progressive policies mean the death of faith.  They always have.  I would have hoped the experience of the late 60s-early 70s would have converted, or at least convinced, the progressive elements in the Church of their folly.  But intellectual ideologues are the most difficult to convert, or so said St. Thomas Aquinas.


1. DiscipleoftheDumbOx - January 17, 2014

What?! No Edelweiss for the Pope?

2. Michael P.Mc Crory. - January 17, 2014

Pope Francis has become a disturbing obsession with you. It is all Latin mass motivated too.
Certainly no good convicted catholic has to like everything about a particular Pope but to act like you know better than one much more knowledgable more blest and informed than oneself is pure folly.
I tell you again that when the dust settles around this Pontificate you all will have egg on your face — ie if you are still in the bosom of Christ’s personally formed and established Church.
“He who hears you hears me.”
Shake in your boots you Remnant followers.
It is not insignificant that you are mostly converts or reverts to the Faith. Pride is a dangerous thing.
Despite all your obvious catholic goodness and good works I have to believe that at root of your thinking is a lack of basic charity. Being right, on the right side of issues being more important with you than being lovingly Christ-like, per Pope Francis way.
To go on and on about people reading wrong stuff into Pope Francis’s
truth-filled utterances ( blaming him ie ) is one example of your Christian immaturity. Fortunate indeed are you that if you were to stand before God TODAY and answer to him for your rebellous thinking he,God, being the big softie that he is, will only look first at your heart. I find it hard to be so forgiving knowing the harm that you do to the Church body in general.
I write like this, hopefully out of love and respect for all the good that you all, no doubt do do.

Branch - January 17, 2014

In other words, charity and truth can be opposed. Not exactly a Catholic stance: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20090629_caritas-in-veritate_en.html

DiscipleoftheDumbOx - January 17, 2014

Hey Tantam, this one is for you and your ‘bad attitude’!

Lorra - January 17, 2014

Michael, I’d like your opinion as to what I should do on Sunday. Tantam already gave me his.

We are having a pulpit exchange for the next two Sundays. This Sunday is a female Lutheran minister. The next is an Episcopalian minister. They will give the homily in the place of our priest.

Would you go?

TG - January 19, 2014

You must have mixed up with Mundabor.

tantamergo - January 20, 2014

Did you even read the post? I said it was the progressive elements in the Church and media who were trying to claim that there was a “Francis effect” bringing liberals back to the Church. That hasn’t happened in even one of the most liberal churches (Austria) in the world. The post was about media imaging of Francis and attempts to create a mythos around his pontificate, and less about the pope himself.

Furthermore, as far as having an obsession, not even 3% of my posts in the past 10 months have dealt with Pope Francis. You have a rather expansive definition of “obsession.”

As TG pointed out, if you want to see a papal obsession, read Mundabor.

3. Ben Warren - January 18, 2014

McCrory, the Pope is a villain. Not a certifiable heretic, of course, and still infallible when he speaks ex cathedra, but a villain. Most of what the Pope says is actually fallible. He’s corrupt; hence the story about breastfeeding in public, which even the Onion has condemned. Also his clearly pushing the international left when the left is already crushing the Faith out of the world. Catholics who love the Latin Mass and still have enough faith to be in communion with Rome have suffered more than enough and don’t need uncharitable criticism like yours. So stuff it.

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