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How the Mexican Church is implementing Summorum Pontificum…it isn’t February 24, 2014

Posted by Tantumblogo in abdication of duty, Basics, catachesis, episcopate, error, foolishness, General Catholic, Glory, Holy suffering, Latin Mass, manhood, persecution, priests, sadness, scandals, Tradition, Virtue.

According to the report of Fr. Peter Carota, anyway, at least a sizable portion of the Church in Mexico – perhaps outside Guadalajara – remains very hostile to Tradition, and especially the Traditional Latin Mass.  Since the Internet is not nearly so ubiquitous in Mexico as it is in the US, and since many Mexicans have limited access to information, generally, most have never even heard of Summorum Pontificum.  Their bishops and priests apparently like to keep things that way, because they repeatedly told lay people and even religious that the Traditional Latin Mass was “invalid.”  Please.

We have a great deal of work to do.  Fr. Carota (I add emphasis and comments):

This morning I went to see Bishop Raul Gomez Gonzalez in Tenancingo to again ask him about supporting me with the Order of St. Pius V and the Latin Mass.  He is the bishop in charge of Malinalco where I have my parent’s house and the convent (where the Sisters of the Buen Samaritano use to live).  I had already approached him about this three years ago and talked with him about the “Summorum Pontificum”……..

……..When I first learned the Latin Mass, I began saying it here Mexico in a little chapel near to the my house.  The people did not like it because they liked it when I use to say it in spanish. [That’s pretty unusual in my experience.  Fr. Rodriguez has reported a lot of support in Mexico and other Latin American countries when he brings the TLM there, too]  But I still said my private mass, and everyone was welcomed.  One day, the Augustinian pastor from the parish arrived and just sat through the whole latin mass in the sanctuary.  Afterward he asked me: “what were you doing?”  I told him that I was saying a private Latin Mass.  He went out and told my friends that this mass was invalid. The next day I took Summorum Pontificum and the instructions Universae Ecclesiae (important parts highlighted in yellow) to his office.  I did this to show him that it was allowed and that priests and people have rights to have the Latin Mass offered.

He left the parish and the new pastor arrived.  I knew him from before.  When some people informed him that I was saying the Latin Mass in the chapel, he called me in and told me in strong words that the Latin Mass was prohibited.  The next day I took him a photo of Cardinal Canizares offering the Latin Mass in the Vatican.  He then admitted that is was allowed.  [So, he knew it was allowed, but he’s accustomed into bullying people not to accept it, or even ordering other priests not to offer it?]  I then humbly asked him for permission to say it privately in the hospital chapel of the Sisters of the Buen Samaritano.  He said ok.

For a few days I was again happily saying the Holy Mass there.  But then the pastor called the mother superior and told her not to allow me and that the Latin Mass was prohibited. [The opponents of the TLM do not give in so easily] Thanks be to God she had already read the introduction in the Ecclesia Dei white spanish booklet that explained Pope Benedict’s “Summorum Pontificum”.  She told him that the pope had given permission for this mass.  But, so as to not get them in trouble with their pastor, I started saying it in my tiny chapel I had build the year before. [So, even though Fr. Carota is fully within his rights to offer the TLM wherever he has permission to offer the Novus Ordo, to avoid possible repercussions to these good nuns and to prevent further bad feelings, he very charitably went back to a family chapel on his own property to offer the TLM]

I then went and took copies of Summorum Pontificum and the instructions Universae to the Bishop’s office so that he would see and read with his own eyes (again all the important parts highlighted in yellow so he could read it quickly) that the Latin Mass is permitted.  [Surely every bishop knows of Summorum Pontificum and Universae Ecclesiae?]   I did this so that the bishop would know that there are educated people who know about what Pope Benedict had done for us who love the Latin Mass. [The implication being some prelates and priests prey on people’s ignorance by telling them the TLM is still “forbidden,” which it never was, nor ever could have been]

With all the problems I have had here with the local priests, I decided to again go and visit the bishop.  I did this to remind him of all that my parents and myself have done for the poor here in his diocese before he arrived three years ago.  I purposely did this so when the priest here Malinalco gets upset about the Latin Mass I am saying in my house [so these priests are upset about the presence of the TLM EVEN on private property, having nothing to do with any parish or parish facility!  That’s some ingrained antipathy….what a shame]  or my visiting the poor sick to hear their confessions, he will be benevolent to me and support me.  I have been coming here and working with the poor for 27 years now.  [Think about that. Fr. Carota’s family has generously supported the poor in this region of Mexico for nearly 30 years, Fr. Carota has done so for years himself and now brings them enormous spiritual fruit on his limited time off, and yet, the mere existence of the TLM offered by Fr. Carota, and not even on Church property, so sets these priests off that it apparently endangers Fr. Carota’s ability to come offer corporal and spiritual works of mercy for these poor people!  As I said, that’s some antipathy!]

While I was at it, I also asked him about his support of the order.  In response he said that his people only understand Spanish and that is why he does not support the Latin Mass.  [So, how did the people “understand” the Mass for 1500+ years without it being in the vernacular!  Please!  This is just a tired excuse for opposition, not a genuine reason.]  I went on to inform him that in the United States the traditional Latin Mass altar servers are wanting to be priests and that the Fraternity of St. Peter has so many young men in their seminary. [Even though I know many of you do not have access to a TLM, we must realize that the situation regarding TLM availability in this nation is infinitely better than it is is most of Latin America, where peoples who once had such an enormous devotion to the Mass are now both denied it, and exhibit a strange hostility to it, especially within the clergy.]

I also told him about the lack of children in the Catholic Church of the USA.  He said that the number of children are diminishing here in Mexico too. [In fact, the Mexican birth rate will soon be as low as that of the US.  We wont’ be seeing mass waves of millions of immigrants, anymore, because there won’t be such a large population of young people to drive it]  I then went on to tell him that traditional Catholic families are having a lot of children.

I have no idea what God has in mind when I am doing this education of priests and bishops about the Summorum Pontificum and Universae Ecclesiae.  But I do know that I need to do it no matter what the out come is.

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Be sure to go to Fr. Carota’s and see his other posts about his mission to Mexico.  They are all very edifying.  It sheds some light on Fr. Carota’s background.  I am glad he has received such good support from his bishop.

Please offer some prayers – perhaps many prayers – for Fr. Carota.  He is sure to be the target of retribution after a post like this.  God bless him, for having the honesty and care for souls to do so.  His forthrightness is to be commended.


1. MFG - February 25, 2014

Hopefully this will change when the Spanish-Latin ’62 hand missal finally is released (for the first time in over 50 years). I think this will spread first in the southwestern U.S. then down to Mexico…


2. Branch - February 25, 2014

Do you have any thoughts on Fr. Kirby’s recent revelation: http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/02/the-end-of-reform-of-reform-i-too-came.html

3. Jtal - February 25, 2014

sounds like the diocese of Dallas

4. Paul Mitchell - February 25, 2014

The fervent opposition to Summorum Pontificum is an ongoing source of scandal to me. I simply do not understand why so many bishops and priests seem to so hate and fear the TLM.

5. discipleofthedumbox - February 25, 2014

Ah, “Poor Mexico: So Far From God, And So Close to the United States”…

Again, no big surprise to me. Meanwhile and in other news, somewhere in Hunt County, family hogs are being processed “and so, life in the Shire goes on, very much as it has this past Age… full of its own comings and goings, with change coming slowly, if it comes at all.”

6. Dismas - February 25, 2014

Like “disciple” above, for those familiar with the situation in Mexico (and every Latin American country of which I am aware) this is simply par for the course. This is a good example of the attitude of every single bishop I have encountered in that area, without an exception. I’m not even convinced that the Cardinal Archbishop of Guadalajara is that sympathetic to the authentic Mass. Father Romanowski could speak to that.

What to say? A whole lot and not much. Indeed, we in the USA are in far better shape relative to the Mass than any country in Latin America. The more historically Catholic the country, the greater the devastation. Witness Ireland, Poland, the Philippines. Search for bishops in those countries “obedient” to Summorum Pontificum. This “obedience” stuff is most definitely a door that swings in a single direction.

7. TG - February 25, 2014

I just saw a recorded program on EWTN about Sts. Cyril and Methodius and the opposition they faced when they wanted the Mass said in the language of the Slavics. They had to get the Pope’s permission because the bishops were against it and even put them in jail. I also never knew they developed the Slavic written language. Interesting how now we’re fighting to have the Mass said in Latin now.I would settle for the Mass said in the old way – backs to the people. The language doesn’t bother me since I don’t know Latin either. After all this time, I can see Mexican people not liking the change. My parents quit going to Mass when it was changed but not because of the language just the “man centerness” – EE ministers, etc.

8. RC - February 25, 2014

Side note. Tantam, have you seen the news of the “miracle” attributed to Paul IV? I’m really having a hard time believing all of these post VII canonizations are actually valid, something just doesn’t seem right about it.

TG - February 26, 2014

Wonder what Randy Engel will say? I have a problem with all these Vatican II popes becoming saints. We need the Devil’s Advocate back.

tantamergo - February 26, 2014

I’m certain Paul VI will be canonized soon, by this pope. It is amazing to consider how many great popes have not been canonized, but every single conciliar/post-conciliar pope will be, at least up to Benedict XVI. Maybe not John Paul I, but I understand there are efforts underway for him, as well. If it weren’t so serious, it would almost be laughable. It’s almost as if the Council dispensed such incredible wisdom and practice as to make every post-conciliar Pope an instant Saint. In reality, it points to indifferentism, and, yes, the deletion of the devil’s advocate has seemed to open the door wide to thousands of canonizations (we had one last year for over 800 people, at one time! Ostensibly, they were all martyred for the Faith by muslims, but was EVERY SINGLE ONE of those 800+ really holy, or even Catholic, when they were killed?) and there seems no end in sight.

9. skeinster - February 26, 2014

Side note, as well: the Novena to the Holy Face is wonderful.
Thanks for posting that! Printing it out to save and use often.

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