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Novelties never specifically called for that have been inflicted on the Church July 21, 2014

Posted by Tantumblogo in Basics, disaster, episcopate, error, foolishness, General Catholic, sadness, scandals, secularism, self-serving, Society.

Pertinacious Papist has compiled a list of changes that were not formally called for in Vatican II that have been inflicted on the Church nonetheless.  It’s a pretty comprehensive list, even if some items are debatable as far as what that most unspecific and bewildering of Councils specified.  BTW, this list is actually a compilation of items Michael Voris has brought up of late, so the ultimate credit is due to him.

The list is below.  I’ll add a few comments as it goes:

  1. Communion in the hand [Definitely not supported by VII, and only implemented by Paul VI in a moment of weakness under threat of schism from the Dutch]
  2. Altar girls [Pope Saint JPII]
  3. Priests facing the people [Not called for by VII at all.  Counter to some other conciliar statements.  How it came about was a master-work of nefarious creation of “demand” by subtly changing wording in subsequent non-conciliar documents on the Liturgy.  But Bugnini was an expert at subterfuge]
  4. Gregorian chant insisted upon by V2 [Pride of place, hah]
  5. Eucharistic ministers [An utter novelty in the history of the Church, but flow naturally from Communion in hand]
  6. Protestant music in Mass [Shoot Dan Schutte]
  7. Use of Latin in Mass insisted on by V2 [And a document of the highest doctrinal import by Pope St. John XXIII, Veterum Sapientia]
  8. Movement of tabernacles from center of altars [Hidden in closets. Diabolical move towards protestantism and totally unjustified]
  9. Smashing of Catholic art and architecture [ditto]
  10. Near disavowal of confession [double ditto]
  11. Near total absence of the promotion of devotional life
  12. Parish youth ministries neglecting and/or rejecting Catholic doctrine [and pushing watered down “I’m ok you’re ok” feel good demi-protestant claptrap]
  13. Parish adult religious education neglecting Catholic doctrine [or directly attacking it!]
  14. Destruction of Catholic education in parishes
  15. Catholics leading the way on gay marriage approval [And how about the many parishes with sodomite friendly ministries?]
  16. Refusal to enforce Canon 915 – to pro-aborts
  17. Orthodox seminarians being carefully monitored, or not ordained or delayed [How about the vast majority forced out under great duress]
  18. “Gay Masses” in many dioceses with the bishops’ knowledge
  19. CCHD financial support for pro-abortion and pro-contraception groups [VII did call for bishop’s conferences, even if several pre-conciliar popes derided the idea, especially as construed in the US.  Leo XIII’s Testem Benevolentiea Nostrae was an explicit rebuke of the US bishops in 1899]
  20. CRS giving donations to Obama campaign
  21. Homosexual or homosexual-friendly clergy
  22. Enormous resistance to the Traditional Latin Mass by bishops and priests [VII said nothing of abolishing the Mass. It said nothing of creating a totally novel Novus Ordo.  Such would never, ever have passed.  How many bishops then turned around and dutifully implemented the Novus Ordo, or even more, abrogated the Mass and saw to the destruction of so many churches, is a testament to truly disordered ultramontanism.  If there had been harder pushback, none of these developments may have occurred]
  23. Non-stop emphasis on “earthly” matters like immigration and gun-control
  24. Failure to preach against contraception

There were two great failures at Vatican II, both, it must be said, carefully construed and insisted upon by the popes who oversaw the Council. The first was the failure to condemn communism, which was the #1 request of the bishops of the Council.  That request was that the Council would come out with a statement formally condemning communism, but John XXIII desperately wanted an “ecumenical” council with Orthodox involvement, so he agreed in advance there would be no conciliar condemnation, nor even pointed discussion, of communism.

The second, of course, was contraception.  Rather than clearly condemn what had always been sinful, since the time of the first Apostles, the Council hid behind the fig leaf of pending “papal commissions” – commissions which said contraceptive use was A-OK!  Even so, at that time, at least, the vast majority of bishops viewed contraception as not just sinful but just plain evil.

Even with the fall of the Former Soviet Union, communism still lurks about.  Our own president, I think, would be very happy going down that road.  And contraception is the foundation of current-day American life.  These are subsidiary errors to godlessness and bad theology, but they are probably two of the most destructive errors afflicting the world today.  The Church would be in a much stronger position against those errors had the Council decried them.  But that did not suit the dominant progressive purpose.

What else would you add to the list, in addition to the failure to condemn communism?  Another error that has come about, but not necessarily from the Council, is mass disbelief in hell within the Church.  Universal salvation.  Fornication. Catholic pseudo-divorce in abusive annulments. Porn.  Priest boy abuse.  Disordered ecumenism. Religious indifferentism.  Collegiality.  Undermining  doctrinal authority.  Modernism.


1. Christopher - July 21, 2014

You’ve pretty well covered it, I think. Since I just posted two nearly-identical comments hinting at this, I’ll just emphasize the effects on Catholic education.

Catholic education, in my experience, is heavily Americanist. I was taught, not in these exact words, but to the same effect, that monarchy is evil and that our Constitutional (always incorrectly called Democratic) Republic is the greatest thing since…Jesus?

It’s also, of course, all pro-Vatican II. The Catholic part of Catholic education was very watered-down Protestant-ish non-theology. I remember not being particularly “Catholic” in my thinking in my first two years of high school, but knowing intuitively that what they were teaching also was not.

Actually, in a way, I might be able to thank God for that, in my case. I’m so analytical and argumentative that I argued for the sake of argument and ended up believing what I argued and searching out the truth because of it. (I just thought of this…new self-revelation in progress). But this wasn’t the case for at least most of the rest of my classmates. I often couldn’t tell the difference between my classmates and public school students, especially because they all mingled in our town.

Also, the extra-ordinary Eucharistic minister of Holy Communion (or whatever they’re called now). I was recruited into that when I was 18. It was edifying…at first. Then, I started to realize that it was affecting me very badly. I started craving the “opportunity” to participate (i.e. being jealous when someone else jumped up and got to the altar first). Then, I finally realized how little awareness I had of the Real Presence. Touching the host, eating them when someone drops them, and drinking the Precious Blood when half a chalice was left over quickly led me to devalue these Most Blessed substances–they quickly became just bread and wine, not intellectually, because I still assented to the belief in Jesus’ Real Presence, but somehow psychologically, because of my constant interaction with (abuse of) them.

Once I became aware of this, I only “served” when no one else did. Once I stopped engaging in that role, it took some time, but my reverence for the Blessed Sacrament started to return. Since then, however, I have cringed at every N.O. Mass when the EHMCs stampede the altar and hand out Communion, and I cannot help but wonder if they know what they are holding in their hands and dropping into other people’s hands like Halloween candy.

Finally: NFP. This, of course, is related to contraception. There’s a heated debate going on at another site about NFP and Catholics’ use or abuse of it. I don’t know if there are any stats out on NFP use (I doubt it, because who would take the time, spend the money, or make the effort to conduct such a study? The USCCB?), but if more than half of Catholics are using contraception (by this, I mean artificial birth control), I can’t imagine it to be too far a stretch to suspect that many of those who aren’t contracepting are abusing NFP–of course, one has to define what an abuse of NFP is, and that’s the problem. What are “serious” reasons? The contraceptive mentality is rampant, including in Catholic culture, and while NFP is certainly important for some people who do have truly serious reasons for using it, the contraceptive mentality that runs rampant in even our Catholic culture makes it extremely difficult to discern what truly is a serious motive. I have heard quite a few people attest to attending a parish NFP class to find themselves being led through an enthusiastic NFP cheerleading session in which it is promoted as the approved form of Catholic birth control.

Lord, Have Mercy!

2. Molly Alley - July 21, 2014

Two off the top of my head:
1. “One may also adopt a simpler method, allowing the communicant himself to take the host from the ciborium.” -Memoriale Domini
2. The loss of clerical and especially deaconal continence.

Something that can’t be overlooked is that while V2 might not have called for the various changes (abuses), many, if not most, were officially called for by the SCR, the CDW, or the CDF. Or, in the case of the innovations in the sacrament of Holy Orders, by the Pope himself. Others, like altar girls, were explicitly forbidden after V2 before being allowed.

I the more I try to understand the post-V2 liturgical reform the more confused I become.

3. Kurt - July 22, 2014

You are right to remind people that is was “St.” Pope John Paul II that legalized altar girls and a number of other innovations. But I must report that the practice of the priest facing the people was implemented by the liberals even before VC2. Pius Paruch, the early XXth century liturgical liberal pushed it starting when he was a WWI army chaplain and in the 20s, liberals in Germany, France and Belgium were regularally doing it. By the 1950s, liberal parishes in the USA had joined in. The root of this evil was in the “Pray the Mass” movement.

Tantumblogo - July 22, 2014

Oh, yes, I’m familiar with the history. As you note, the practice had spread to the US by the 50s.

But now its essentially mandatory in almost all dioceses.

VII did not happen in a vacuum. It was a revolution, but it was a pretty broadly based one. There were a lot of worldly progressive types in the Church before the Council, and they brought about the changes they wanted.

4. Christopher - July 22, 2014

Speaking of revolution, and piggy-backing on my earlier comment, I don’t know the history of VII to know how closely NFP is related, but the USCCB’s banner for National NFP Awareness Week is this (in case anyone hasn’t seen it):

And the slogan…Well, you can read. The Church certainly is revolutionary these days.

KathiBee - July 22, 2014

What an………interesting?…………inspiring??……….flyer. Those 3 families shown — one w/2 children, the other two with 1 child. Yes, do be different like everyone else! Do join the revolution! I will stop my snark here lest I have to take it to the confessional………….

Christopher, regarding your earlier comments on NFP. 24 years ago when my husband & I took NFP classes we thought we were just great Catholics b/c we weren’t using anything artificial & having kids every 2.5 years (on our time line though). We really were taught to utilize NFP w/a birth control mentality. All the charting & what not. We were certainly encouraged to be open to life, but “open” on our own terms – whatever “open” meant to us.

Sadly, until we started attending a traditional parish 5 years ago, we hadn’t even heard of using NFP w/a “contraceptive mentality”. Previously, we were held up as this model of NFP use in marriage prep – “see, their kids are spaced out so well, they really MEANT to have all those kids. NFP can work for you too!”

I think with some remorse now about how not open we were too many times and the souls that possibly don’t exist b/c of our selfishness. It leaves me w/a heavy heart sometimes.

Lynda - July 22, 2014

Nobody is disabusing couples of this now-accepted lie. People think its fine to “take a break” for a few years!

Terry Carroll - July 22, 2014

See Dr. Jay Boyd’s two books on this very subject: http://tinyurl.com/la2xu6r and http://tinyurl.com/mdn3kn2

If you want to read her blog postings that led to writing her book, see http://philotheaonphire.blogspot.com/p/nfp-posts.html

Yes, there is a growing awareness of “remorse now about how not open we were too many times and the souls that possibly don’t exist b/c of our selfishness.”

And, if you think about it, why are all those NFP posters always filled with smiling, happy couples? If NFP really is supposed to be for “serious reasons,” why is everyone smiling about such circumstances that make such a profoundly important decision necessary? If “my wife may die if she gets pregnant again,” why are you smiling, and why do you even THINK of risking that?!?!?! If “we’re out of work and can’t afford another child right now,” why are you smiling about that? If there are truly “serious reasons” not to have a child, then don’t do what makes that consequences possible! Why play “Russian Roulette” and risk a child when, for “serious reasons,” you shouldn’t?

Dr. Boyd’s book “NFP: Trojan Horse in the Catholic Bedroom” is aptly named.

5. Jo - July 22, 2014

To quote Cardinal Ottaviani:

“It is rather strong to claim that the New Mass is contrary to the Council of Trent but, displeasing as it is, it is true.”

“I pray to God that I may die before the end of the council, in that way I can die a Catholic.” June 1962, following a speech given by Cardinal Montini, the future Paul VI, on the need for changes in the Church.

6. Noah Moerbeek - July 22, 2014

Don’t forget the loss of habits, the abandonment of monastic and religious observances.

And almost the complete abandonment of fasting.

7. Lynda - July 22, 2014

The Pope appears to have no problem with any of these. St Michael, pray for us.

8. Catechist Kev - July 22, 2014

One quibble with the list: Number 5. Eucharistic ministers.

No, that would be “extra-ordinary ministers of Holy Communion”. (I call them “unnecessary EMoHC”)

Eucharistic ministers are the ordained.

9. Lynne - July 22, 2014

The down-playing of the role of Mary (the Mediatrix of all graces) in our salvation.

Christopher - July 22, 2014

Yahtzee! How did we miss that?

Immaculate Heart of Mary, Pray for us!

10. Steve - July 22, 2014

Had they been concerned in regard to the novelties that shattered Holy Tradition, then our Popes and bishops could have placed an end to novelty upon novelty.

The reality is that our Popes and bishops, as you had indicated, authorized one novelty after another.

We have the Mass, novelties and “new orientation” that our Popes and bishops desire.

It is that simple.

11. David - July 22, 2014


Here’s a few:

1) Holding hands during the Lord’s Prayer. I stopped doing this myself about 10 years ago.

2) Standing during the consecration. A college church that I attended in the 1980’s (no, it was not A and M, which has reverent students) did this as the norm, and this was a “Catholic” college in San Antonio.

3) If we shoot Dan Schutte, we also need to shoot Marty Haugen. Haugen’s music is more suited for the Christian Rock stations, and the lyrics ate “gender neutral”. I wasn’t aware until about six years ago when a female friend I know who sings in a Cathedral choir in St. Louis that Marty Haugen is actually Lutheran.

By the way, the song “Gather Us In” was overplayed when I was growing up.

Stoney - July 22, 2014

David, if you ever go to the NO Mass in Rome, it gets to be silly with people standing up or sitting down at different times because they’ve all be taught differently in their country of origin since Vat II (and usually wrong). It’s like whack-a-mole.

Christopher - July 23, 2014

Of all places: where the Church is supposed to go for unity when unity fails everywhere else.

Tantumblogo - July 23, 2014

Funny! Someone should shoot a video of that!

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