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Nice Video on Clear Creek Abbey July 25, 2014

Posted by Tantumblogo in awesomeness, Basics, General Catholic, Glory, Grace, Holy suffering, Interior Life, priests, religious, sanctity, Tradition, Virtue.

I can’t believe we still haven’t made it up there to Clear Creek Abbey.  I have been wanting to go for years, but events have managed to intervene to prevent it.

Sort of a promotional video below, but it’s nice.  It gives a nice, if very brief, overview of their horarium and apostolate.

Nice upload by Video Sancto:

It is very true how much of our own efforts out in the world, and even our own sanctity, is due to the prayer of monastics.  Thus, the Church has been so gravely wounded by the collapse in religious life over the past several decades.  When the Church has experienced decadence and decay in the past, it has been from holy monasteries and convents that reform, even restoration, has come.  The monks of Cluny played a huge role in re-evangelizing the Church after a long period of decadence in the 900s and 1000s. That set the stage for a period of glorious piety in the 1100s and 1200s.

May God be so beneficent as to grant us such a restoration again!  And may we have so many more holy, pious religious!



1. Fr Anselm Marie - July 25, 2014

Thank you for posting this video. Do visit the abbey when you can. It is a haven of peace and the monks are most edifying.

And let us hope and pray that the words that close this video come true: A new civilization will be born, a civilization of love rooted in contemplation.

2. Chad - July 26, 2014

If you do go up and want to drop by a fssp latin mass, I go to precious bloof near by in Tulsa. But I’d honestly recommend the abby over the parish; I try to get up there once a month when I can

3. Dismas - July 26, 2014

In their penultimate letter to benefactors they tell us that the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Our Blessed Mother has already been accomplished. One can only conclude that they really believe that.

Pseudodionysius - July 26, 2014

All I can say to that, if true, is that the Superior General of the Carthusians — a fellow Frenchmen — very likely disagrees with them.

4. Dismas - July 26, 2014

Perhaps a reader can verify whether or not the following is true. Some are not aware that there was an approved liturgy that lasted very briefly – sort of between the Second Vatican Council and the promulgation of the New Mass of Paul VI. It is reverent, if a truncated version of the Mass. To the casual observer it would appear as though it was the Traditional Mass.

Does anyone know for sure whether or not the Clear Creek Abbey offers this Mass as one of the weekday masses?

Chad - July 28, 2014

I’ve gone up to the abby multiple times and only experienced the traditional latin mass. I’ve only gone up on weekends (Friday – Sunday), but would be very, VERY, surprised to see anything else. From all I’ve seen, they strive to live as strictly to the original rules of st benedict as they can for a young abby under construction

Dismas - July 28, 2014

Right. I have visited only twice, separated by about ten years. I agree that the life they seem to lead is quite edifying.

I took the matter in hand and called them. Fortunately a priest answered. As usual the truth of the matter is not straightforward, but what I had been told by my FSSP friends in the area is apparently not quite the case.

The priest who answered my question told me that any priest there has the right to offer any Mass he chooses. The same is true for visiting priests. And, he added, since the Extraordinary Form is the Mass most people around the Abbey desire, it is most common to see that form. Moreover, their Conventual Mass is always according to the Extraordinary Form.

Sort of.

Well, it is, but there are some differences that simply spring from the history of the Abbey and Fontgombault and the Indult and the Ecclesia Dei Commission and…

But the Conventual Mass is in the Extraordinary Form, with adjustments peculiar to this Community. And any priest is free to offer the Mass of his choice.

I suppose my FSSP friends in the area who provided me with this apparently erroneous information saw some of these peculiarities and made the incorrect assumption that they were witnessing the 1965 Mass, which is an understandable error and I will alert them. Perhaps, also, they saw a non-Conventual Mass and assumed…

Chad - July 28, 2014

I go to the FSSP parish nearby and have been to the abby about once a month the last six months. While theres some variations, I didn’t see any differences in the masses the monks offer besides simple changes revolving around having a group of monks chanting instead of a priest.

Overall you seem to be complaining that the monks are following the traditional practice, rather than a formula you prefer.

Tantumblogo - July 28, 2014

I spoke with a friend who knows the TLM in great detail and has spent about 6 weeks combined over the past 5 years at the monastery. He has only ever assisted at the TLM there and has never heard of their offering anything else. And, off the record, I have heard that these monks have some really, really strong negative opinions on the NO. But I’m sure if you call and ask if they would ever allow the NO, what else can they say? They don’t know who you are, if they say no, they could get into huge trouble in no time. It’s the same kind of answer most FSSP priests would give – while almost all of them would rather be laicized than offer the NO, they can’t really say that publicly, especially to someone they don’t know and trust.

So I wouldn’t trouble myself to much over that. Outside the Society, these groups have to be very careful what they say, which perhaps makes some of the Society’s point, but it is the present cost of being “regular.”

Dismas - July 29, 2014

I apologize. It is hard to make oneself perfectly understood in e-mail or by blog. I go back and peruse my posts, though, and I cannot find anything else in there other than an objective question about the liturgy. I just cannot find evidence of “complaint.” Maybe you can help us with that.

I was delivered some information by friends who attend Mass with the FSSP. I was surprised by that information and from the time I heard it, I questioned it and reserved judgment. When this discussion began here, I thought I would ask those with more experience than me. I finally called and heard the truth from the “horse’s mouth” and I corrected the error and advised readers.

So I have to ask you to clarify the last statement, Chad – something about “complaining” and something about a “formula I prefer.” Maybe you can help us to understand how you arrived at these conclusions.

And, Tantum, like Fr. Anselm Marie, I thank you for your insight below. It is very true and I had not considered that.

I have been a financial supporter of Clear Creek for over ten years now.

Fr Anselm Marie - July 28, 2014

At 30:40 of the video at the link below, Dom Philip Anderson, abbot of Clear Creek explains that while they use the Extraordinary Form, the monks have adopted a few of the elements of the new missal. As you mention earlier, these may not be apparent to the casual observer.

Fr Anselm Marie - July 29, 2014

In the video Living the Liturgy (at 30:40, link below), Dom Philip Anderson, Abbot of Clear Creek explains that certain elements of the new missal have been incorporated, with permission, into the Extraordinary Form of the Mass celebrated at the abbey. As you remarked earlier, these elements may not be apparent to the casual observer. More important, however, is what the Abbot says just before that: that what they want is to celebrate is a truly Catholic liturgy.

5. Fr Anselm Marie - July 29, 2014

Thank you, Tantum, for your discreet remark about “costs” to being “regular”. Awareness of the costs involved with making prudential decisions in difficult circumstances helps temper our judgment of those who are faced with making them. Differences in decisions or even errors do not negate the reality in the soul of heroic and even saintly virtue.

6. Fr Anselm Marie - July 29, 2014

Dismas, perhaps the answer to your question can be found in Clear Creek’s “Living the Liturgy”. About half way through, the Abbot, Dom Philip Anderson, explains that certain elements of the new missal have been incorporated, with permission, into the Extraordinary Form of the Mass celebrated at the abbey. As you remark in your first post, these elements may not be apparent to the casual observer.

More important, I hope we would all agree, is what the Abbot says just before that: that what is desired is a truly Catholic liturgy. This was the goal of the Church Fathers at the Sacred Council of Trent, of Pope Saint Pius V in Quo Primum, and of continuing the use of immemorial rites, variations and usages in the West (e.g., Ambrosian, Dominican, etc.) other than the Missale Romanum.

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