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Just a rumor, or? Italian daily reports bishops who accept former FI priests being blacklisted by Pope Francis September 18, 2014

Posted by Tantumblogo in Basics, disaster, episcopate, error, foolishness, General Catholic, Holy suffering, horror, martyrdom, Papa, religious, scandals, secularism, self-serving, the return.

The news, every day, just becomes more and more ominous.  What we have experienced in the past few weeks is almost surreal in its display of hard-hearted vindictiveness and lock-step authoritarian demands for compliance with the new order, or else.  Whatever that new order is.

If the below is true, the animus that is being displayed towards the Franciscans of the Immaculate truly knows no bounds.  It seems very difficult to find a reason for such extreme measures, which, as Rorate notes, are unprecedented in the past several CENTURIES of Church history, if true.  I have a very difficult time comprehending what possible threat could be posed by these men, dispersed in ones or twos or even in small groups in various dioceses of the world, that could make this kind of action necessary, or anything but a cruel and naked exercise of power – IF TRUE:

Because of the harsh intervention that has brought about the near-destruction of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, many priests of that institute have tried to find refuge by asking to leave the order and be incardinated as secular priests of regular dioceses. Marco Tosatti, the senior religious correspondent for ancient Italian daily La Stampa reports the following:

The transferral of Cañizares to Spain had appeared in the Iberian press – with no small irritation to the interested party – some months before the decision had been made official. And the same thing happens with Burke. [The author of the original Italian piece upon which the Rorate post is based is saying the leak regarding Burke may have been made months before it was intended to take effect. There is a great deal of gossip in the Francis papacy] It is astonishing because no pope before this one – to my knowledge – has anathematized gossip and rumor-mongering, repeatedly and often, as much as the current one; and yet, clearly, his close entourage is not without sin.

And we hope that the unconfirmed report, according to which the Pope is said to have asked for the list of bishops who incardinate in their dioceses the friars of the Franciscans of the Immaculate who wish to abandon the order after its intervention and compulsory re-education, is not true. But unfortunately, we fear the opposite.

Just to be clear, this report is unconfirmed.  Even if true, it is possible a report like this could lead to a backlash that could result in an opposite course being taken.  But from what we have seen in the past year or so, I fear it is true.  My gut tells me it’s true.  And if so, it is shocking how much the public rhetoric departs from the behind the scenes acts, is it not?  It would seem all that rhetoric about mercy is just to advance a certain ideology, and is not to be practiced, especially not with one’s perceived “enemies” – even if those “enemies” have never harmed you in the slightest.  What did our Blessed Lord have to say about that?

Again, just what have these men done that is so absolutely forbidden and evil that they must be so utterly, completely crushed?

I have to wonder if the author(s) of all this destruction will ever lament what he has , what they have, done – will he ever admit it has gone way, way too far?  Or are they too ideological, too committed to the process, to ever do so?

I do wonder.

On the plus side, there may be many Saints being formed in this crucible of unending suffering.  May God have mercy on them, and on their order.

Too bad they prayed too much, fasted too much, contemplated Our Lord too much, and weren’t “Vatican II” enough.  Which latter bit means whatever the progressive overlords want it to mean, from one second to the next.

It’s not easy to stay faithful to a constantly moving target.

This is all so Orwellian it is incredible, but I guess I have to say it one more time – if true.

I think we all know it is.


1. Michael - September 18, 2014

The Apostles have fled. Only thieves remain at the Cross with Our Lord.

2. xryztofer - September 18, 2014

How ironic it would be if the friars decide to associate themselves with the SSPX as a result of this unjust farce. Then the accusations of “crypto-lefebvrianism” which began the entire affair would become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Michael - September 18, 2014

I’ve never understood why someone would want to be a Crypto-Lefebvrist.

It’s far more rewarding to stand up and announce to the world your status as an Overt-Lefebvrist (a.k.a. Roman Catholic).

Lynne - September 19, 2014

“Overt-Lefebvrist (a.k.a. Roman Catholic)” – Brilliant!

Tradical - September 18, 2014

I understand that, when all this started, the SSPX made contact with the FFI. However, at that time they were determined to submit under obedience.

An inspiring act of virtue even if I take their plight as a warning to other ‘crypto-lefebvrists’.

It is definitely open season.


3. Athelstane - September 18, 2014

“I have to wonder if the author(s) of all this destruction will ever lament what he has, what they have, done – will he ever admit it has gone way, way too far?”

Not yet, if Fr. Geiger’s latest post at his Mary Victrix blasting Rorate’s report today is anything to judge by.

Curiously, though he does not ever expressly deny that difficulties may be being placed in the way of friar priests attempting to leave the FI, or the report that a list of bishops accepting such men is being collected on behalf of the report. Rather, he is angered at the implication that those who support the Commission are heretics, and that the facts given by Rorate and Tosatti are “not all the facts.”

Tantumblogo - September 23, 2014

I am so sorry this comment was delayed. It was lost in the spam filter, I just dug it out. This is so revealing. You can see how he has become an increasingly partisan ideologue committed to reshaping the FIs according to HIS vision, all else be damned, including the sufferings of the founder and his many confreres.

Sure, there may not be all the facts, but it is still ludicrous that bishops that reach out in charity to suffering priests to allow them to continue their apostolate under less difficult circumstances should be punished! I imagine the missing “fact” is, according to Fr. Geiger: “But these are really, really bad guys, they don’t deserve to be priests until they please ME! They are ‘too dangerous’ to be allowed to circulate among the faithful! I say so, and that’s all that matters!”

I said it before, but I’ll say it again, one day, his name (or at least actions, the malefactors of Saints are often unnamed) will feature large in the biography of a Saint, and not in a good way.

4. Terri - September 18, 2014

If all this is true…there, I will say it as well, I am left rather speechless in the wake of such seemingly ‘hatred’ for a traditional order that as Tantum says….have not inflicted any harm on anyone. Do they really think that this small group of Friars will be able to change the course of modernism they are so driven to completely install? Or is it just for the sake of throwing their ‘power’ around? Almost out of spite.

And you are correct. Where is all the ‘Mercy’ that Francis keeps boasting about? Mercy for just modernist ideologies? Seems as such.

5. Baseballmom - September 18, 2014

You are so right…. Many saints are being formed in these trials… It cannot be easy, nor is it for the cowardly… We must pray for these brave souls!

6. Pseudodionysius - September 18, 2014

Well, what will Friday bring? Perhaps a red hat for Monsignor Battista Ricca? I’m having trouble keeping track of the prelates who wouldn’t pass a Diocesan volunteer criminal check and they’re all apparently invited to the Synod.

Baseballmom - September 20, 2014

Just the laugh I needed this morning…. I know it’s not funny, but if I don’t sometimes laugh out loud about all the chaos and craziness I will surely go batty!!!!

7. Lorra - September 18, 2014

This is all starting to affect my physically, and it has gotten to the point that I am completely repulsed by even the thought of attending Mass. I dread Sundays. Our diocese is setting us all up for big changes. Here is the irony. We have already been told, last Sunday, that we cannot stay complacent and refuse to change because “we have always done things this way.” We were told that we cannot go back but must move forward. Then we are told all about early Church practices and how we aspire to regain them. Oh yes, and pray to be open to change.

I’m ready to sit home. Can’t take it anymore.

Baseballmom - September 18, 2014

Is there anywhere else you can go? Is the consecration valid at your parish? If it is not, then you are not missing mass anyway. But if it is valid, then that is where you must be. As awful as it must be to attend your parish, it would be even worse for you to sit home. Praying for you…

Lorra - September 18, 2014

Baseballmom, no. What I described is a diocesan program being implemented in every parish over a four year period. I dread when they get to the ecumenical year (2016-2017). Every parish is encouraged to exchange pulpits with local protestant and other churches. And more.
Last Sunday, one of our priests who is newly (June) ordained, messed the Mass up so bad it wasn’t funny. I was never so distracted and upset during a Mass as that one.
Thank you for your prayers. I am counting on them. You and your family are in my own as well.

Baseballmom - September 19, 2014

I am so sorry to hear of the newly ordained priest having problems. Usually the younger guys are much more orthodox than the older priests. What is this diocesan program called? I certainly will continue to pray for you…

8. Magdalene - September 19, 2014

More friaries are going to close. There is hatred for holiness and faithfulness from hierarchy…whether against c. Burke or the FI. Faithful appointments from P. Benedict are being moved and so it goes. We are in a dark time.

9. RC - September 19, 2014

Anne Catherine Emmerich:

April 12, 1820: “I had another vision of the great tribulation. It seems to me that a concession was demanded from the clergy which could not be granted. I saw many older priests, especially one, who wept bitterly. A few younger ones were also weeping. But others, and the lukewarm among them, readily did what was demanded. It was as if people were splitting into two camps.”

May 13, 1820: “I saw the relationship between the two Popes. I saw how baleful would be the consequences of this false church. I saw it increase in size; heretics of every kind came into the city (of Rome). The local clergy grew lukewarm, and I saw a great darkness. Then, the vision seemed to extend on every side. Whole Catholic communities were being oppressed, harassed, confined, and deprived of their freedom. I saw many churches close down, great miseries everywhere, wars and bloodshed. A wild and ignorant mob took to violent action. But it did not last long.”

They are now demanding something from him. The Protestant doctrine and that of the schismatic Greeks are to spread everywhere. I now see that in this place (Rome) the (Catholic) Church is being so cleverly undermined, that there hardly remain a hundred or so priests who have not been deceived

Our Lady of Akita:
The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, and bishops against other bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their Confreres. The Church and altars will be vandalized. The Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord.

RC - September 19, 2014

I say flee to the TLM, the Eastern Catholics or the SSPX

c matt - September 19, 2014

Flee? I say lock and load.

Michael - September 19, 2014

You’re absolutely right. I don’t understand why one would willing allow their Faith to wither attending the Novus Ordo.

Archbishop Lefebvre diagnosed this plague way back in 1970. Why are we surprised 44 years later?

“The apostasy in Rome will begin at the top.”

This crazy train is just getting started…

10. RC - September 19, 2014

I am interested in finding out how many NO Catholics defect after the synod and what is going to come after. I wouldn’t be so naive to think that at the local level in October, things will change. If they could change the Mass of 2,000 years, why not change everything else?

I do know several NO Catholics who I would consider to be as devout as possible in the situation; I am interested to see what they will do after the synod

11. anonymous - September 19, 2014

5. Pseudodionysius – September 18, 2014

Well, what will Friday bring? Perhaps a red hat for Monsignor Battista Ricca? I’m having trouble keeping track of the prelates who wouldn’t pass a Diocesan volunteer criminal check and they’re all apparently invited to the Synod.

ha great to see your witty posts again, please keep posting.

12. TLM - September 19, 2014

I am a NO person. Just now found a TLM that is about 35 minutes or so from home…..H and I plan on going to their Sunday LM. I really don’t know what ANY of us are going to do once they start changing the Mass, and they will. We have a place that we can use in our area, it’s not a Church but it’s a Chapel. I know it’s totally against the rubrics to have Mass outside of Church, (unless permission is given by the Bishop) but I was wondering if it comes to that and if we can find a traditional priest which I think we may be able to…hmm….would it be all that bad? At least we could participate in a valid MASS, even if it couldn’t happen EVERY Sunday.

13. Baseballmom - September 20, 2014

And now Kaspar the friendly “spirit” tells bishops who uphold Church teaching regarding marriage that they are “opposing the Pope.” Well to them I say: “BRAVO!!!!!”

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