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More horrendous heresy from disgraced bishop Conry September 30, 2014

Posted by Tantumblogo in abdication of duty, asshatery, Basics, disaster, episcopate, error, foolishness, General Catholic, paganism, scandals, secularism, self-serving, sickness, the return.

Via commenter Richard M (thanks), Joseph Shaw, Chairman of the Latin Mass Society has some highly toxic comments from the now disgraced and resigned Bishop Conry of Arundel and Brighton in England.  A couple of things: when one embraces one heresy, many others usually follow.  The Faith is an intricate web, with Dogmas feeding into each other and propagating out into numerous directions, if you will.  So a denial of one “small” Dogma will inexorably lead to the denial of others.  Secondly, I will reiterate the statements I’ve read from Aquinas, Liguori, and other great Doctors: private sin always drives public heresy.  It was true with Luther, with Henry VIII, with Pelagius, and it’s true with the shameful former bishop Conry.  These comments were given in an interview with the conservativish Catholic Herald in 2008.  You can see how the personal sins were already leading Conry to embrace all manner of highly destructive errors, especially those regarding the 6th and 9th Commandments:

On Contraception
But is the teaching itself wrong? “It could be. It’s not an infallible teaching.  Clearly the basic Creed formula, what the Church teaches about the sacraments is infallible but there’s only been one strictly infallible statement.” [What?  “There’s only been one strictly infallible statement?” Ever?  Or with regard to contraception?  Isn’t one enough?!?  And I would say the vast majority of orthodox theologians would posit that the Church’s constant belief and teaching on contraception as always and everywhere intrinsically sinful has risen to the level of an infallible Dogma.  Witness the incredibly reductive definition of “infallibility,” one put forth by the highly dangerous, destructive, and erroneous Dr. Rick Gaillardetz, which says anything not proclaimed ex-cathedra is not infallible.  Sure makes it convenient to radically redefine the Faith according to one’s preferred sins, doesn’t it?!?]So in a sense it’s a matter of opinion? “Well, it’s… It is.” [Said the fornicating bishop]

On talking to young people

“You can’t talk to young people about salvation. What’s salvation? What does salvation mean? My eternal soul? You can only talk to young people in young people’s language, really. And if you’re going to talk to them about salvation, the first thing they will understand is saving the planet.” [Another conceit of the leftist illiberal cabal dominating the episcopate: people are stupid compared to them (especially anyone who disagrees with them).  Thus, who can understand concepts taught from the inception of the Church, concepts which literally sold the Faith to billions, converted a huge Empire, and built Western Civilization?  Far from a simple Faith that can be understood by all, this is a faith that requires PhD’s in theology from elite leftist schools and exists in such subtle shades of nuance “little people” can’t possibly understand!  Well, “bishop,” my  7 year old daughter understands two things: people are small and weak, and not nearly so powerful and world-destroying as leftists like to pretend, and she will be judged when she dies, to enter either Heaven or hell for all eternity.  In fact, “young people,” whatever that means, often have a purer faith, and a more clear-cut understanding of things like salvation, than adults with our pretensions of knowledge and baggage cars full of sin.  We like to twist things to our advantage, don’t we, Conry?  But children most often do not.]

And the saddest thing of all, on confession
Is it a good idea to go to Confession regularly? “No, because my own experience when we had Confession every day at St Chad’s Cathedral in Birmingham was that regular penitents came back with exactly the same words week after week. So there you would say, actually, there is no conversion taking place.” [This man is not of the Catholic Faith.  His entire sensibility is alien and even hostile.  It is a great blessing, in reality, he was caught out for the impostor he has always been.  How many others like him?]

You should really go read the entire post by Shaw, if you already haven’t. He explores how bishops leading sinful lives can be manipulated, or manipulate themselves, into embrace of heresy. Blackmail, self-justification, guilt……this is the witches brew which has helped produce the great sexular pagan heresy in the Church, as so many ostensible leaders have fallen into lives of sin and then tried to justify that sin by foisting heresy on the Church.  I do not think we can underestimate just how widespread this phenomenon has been and continues to be.

Lord, have mercy on Your Church.  Please send us the leaders we need, and not those we so deserve.



1. Richard M - September 30, 2014

“There’s only been one strictly infallible statement?” Ever? ”

My guess, Tantum, is that what His Excellency had in mind was Pius XII’s promulgation of the dogma of the Assumption – since that is the only statement to use the formal formula of infallibility since its recognition by Vatican I.

Which is, of course, a bit of chronological and theological absurdity. But it is not the first time someone has advanced it. Liberals are, as we know, notoriously stingy in identifying infallibility – until, of course, one of their own is in charge. “Who am I to judge?” might as well be added to the Creed now.

Thanks for digging into Dr. Shaw’s digging. Glad to be of help.

2. Richard M - September 30, 2014

P.S. Reading His Excellency’s comments on salvation, it’s very hard to think that he actually believes in the existence of hell, or at least a hell that has anyone in it.

But I think that’s probably true of many of our clergy. There’s no other way to explain their words or their conduct.

3. Richard M - September 30, 2014

P.P.S. English blogger Damian Thompson tweets: “Cardinal Murphy-O’Connor knew about Conry rumours & still got him made a bishop. Now Cormac is Pope’s chief link to English Church. I despair.”

On this side of the Atlantic, we may similarly ponder the roles of the current and former archbishops of Washington, Wuerl and McCarrick, as Francis’s closest allies in selecting bishops.

With the possible exception of Cardinal Pell, the men whom the Holy Father has chosen for his closest advisers leaves one concerned about the possible results that are likely to ensue. Personnel, as the saying goes, is policy.

Tantumblogo - September 30, 2014

Boy that’s true. Personnel is completely policy.

What is sad is how many former allies of Papa Ratzinger have now turned and are on the other side. Many just go where the wind blows.

4. Joan - October 1, 2014

They go where the power goes, so they can be sure to get some. Anyone who has not got in lockstep is gradually being eliminated. It started with a few small groups no one knew about (FFI, FMC, etc, then hit jobs on various priests/bishops all over the world, then bigger fish like Burke, and now a full investigation of Bishop Finn by the Vatican, running around having secret talks with chancery employees and even parishioners. Disgraceful.

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