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Another edifying interview by Cardinal Burke October 16, 2014

Posted by Tantumblogo in Basics, catachesis, episcopate, General Catholic, scandals, secularism, Society, SOD, Tradition, true leadership, Virtue.

Folks, I labored for an hour and a half on a really good post tying together quotes from Rorate, Fr. Ray Blake, “Boney,” Father Carota………and then WordPress ate it. Not just ate it, but sent it to another dimension where it will never be heard from again.  That stinks. And I am having another crisis day at work, so I have precious little time to post.  Nevertheless, Rorate kindly uploaded another interview Cardinal Burke gave on the Synod, and I thought I would add this. My previous post was based on Rorate’s reporting of scheming manipulation and threats being used to try to coax the more orthodox prelates into embracing the Kasperite – or is that Beroglian – gambit of radical destruction of the Moral Doctrine of the Faith.  It was pretty hot.  Maybe it’s better it was lost.

I will just say this, as a way of conveying aspects of that previous post: there is much sturm and drang about the midway “Relatio,” and whatever the final one – to be released on Saturday, apparently! – will be.  But it is obvious the midway “Relatio” was written in advance of this Synod of Darkness (the words of a local priest).  That “Relatio” had nothing to do with the actual interventions, it was basically another polemic for the radically heretical crowd. Given that the final “Relatio” is due out Saturday, I suspect it is also already written. It may have been written last summer.  In which case, this Synod has always been a sham, a farce, and simply an effort to give some official, “collegial” authority to something written by a small cabal of self-interested individuals.

Sorry for the light content, I do add a few brief comments, I think it important to not always look at merely the surface of Cardinal Burke’s comments, but also the deeper meanings, which are almost universally very strong denunciations of the novelties being foisted on the Church:

Q:  What do we see happening at the Synod on the other side of the “media curtain”?

A:  We see a worrisome skewing of the discussions, because there are some who support the possibility of adopting a practice that departs from the truth of the faith.  Even if it should be evident that one cannot go down that path, many still encourage, for example, a dangerous openness to change with respect to the question of giving Holy Communion to those divorced and remarried.  I do not see how it is possible to reconcile the irreformable understanding of the indissolubility of marriage with the possibility of admitting to Communion those who are living in an irregular situation. To do this is to act as if our Lord’s words were up for discussion when he taught that whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery. [Throughout all this discussion, wherein Cardinal Burke gives what I would call sterling witness to the Faith, I do wonder…..what will you do, Your Eminence, if the unthinkable does happen?  I just don’t feel that can be ruled out anymore.  I also feel more and more strongly that Cardinal Burke is growing more and more in appreciation of Tradition and in his role as a remarkable shepherd of souls.  He may have failed in the past, he may have weaknesses now, but I’m hard pressed to identify any prelate giving such witness at the Vatican]

Q:  According to the “reformers” this teaching has become too harsh.

A:  They forget that the Lord assures us of the help of his grace to those who are called to live in marriage.  This does not mean that there will not be difficulties and suffering, but that there will always be divine assistance to face them and to be faithful to the end.

Q:  It seems that you represent a minority position.

A:  A few days ago I saw a statement broadcast in which Cardinal Kasper said that things were moving in the correct direction towards openings (to the change of practice).  In a few words, the 5,700,000 Italians who followed that broadcast statement were led to believe the idea that the whole Synod is marching on this path, that the Church is on the point of changing her doctrine on marriage.  But this is simply not possible.  Many bishops have said in their speeches that changes in the doctrine of marriage are not possible. [The modernists are trying to use the media to create an unstoppable force again, as they did in 1962.]

Q:  But what you say is not coming out of the daily briefing from the Vatican Press Office.  Cardinal Müller has also complained about this.

A:  I do not know how this “briefing” works, but it seems to me that something is not working well if the information is manipulated in a way so as to stress only one position instead of reporting faithfully the various positions that were expressed.  This worries me very much, because a consistent number of bishops do not accept the idea of a break with traditional Church teaching, but few know this.  They speak only of the necessity for the Church to open herself up to the clamorous urging of the world as Cardinal Kasper propounded in February.  In reality, his thesis on the theme of the family and on a new form of discipline with respect to the divorced and remarried is not new.  It was already discussed thirty years ago.  [In reality, it has been discussed for 2000 years.  It’s always been one of those “hard” teachings, which means it must do great work in keeping souls from satan.  Thus, he hates it and attacks it] Then from this February on it took on a new life,  and it has been allowed to grow in a not innocent way.   But this must stop, because it is provoking the possibility of great damage to the faith.  Bishops and priests say to me that now that so many divorced and remarried men and women are asking to be admitted to Holy Communion because this is what Pope Francis wants.  In reality, I take note that, to the contrary, he has not expressed himself on this subject.

Q:  But it seems evident that Cardinal Kasper and those who speak in agreement with him claim that they have the support of the Pope.

A:  This is true.  The Pope named Cardinal Kasper to the Synod and has let the debate go along this track.  But, as another Cardinal has said, the Pope has not given his pronouncement on all of this as yet.  I am awaiting his pronouncement, which is able to be only in continuity with the teaching given by the Church through her whole history, a teaching that has never changed because it cannot change. [Interesting point.  Cardinal Burke seems to be saying: I don’t care what this Synod says, I won’t accept any change in this regard unless it comes from the mouth of the Pope. And he feels very strongly the Holy Ghost will somehow prevent that from happening.  I certainly pray he is right.]

Q:  Some prelates who support the traditional doctrine say that if the Pope should makes changes (in that doctrine) they would support those changes.  Is this not a contradiction?

A:  Yes, it is a contradiction, because the Pontiff is the Vicar of Christ on earth and therefore the chief servant of the truth of the faith.  Knowing the teaching of Christ, I do not see how it is possible to deviate from that teaching with a doctrinal declaration or with a pastoral practice that ignores truth. [Don’t say “I don’t see how,” say “It ISN’T possible!”]

Q:  The emphasis placed by the Pope on mercy as the most important, if not the only, idea that should guide the Church: does this not contribute to sustaining the illusion that one can advocate pastoral practice that is set loose from doctrine?

A:  The idea is bandied about that there can be a Church which is merciful and that at the same time does not respect the truth.  But I am offended by the abysmal idea that, until today, bishops and priests could not have been merciful………. [Yes, that’s not a very humble idea, is it?  In fact, it reeks of that same modernist pride which leads revolutionaries to conclude that it is only they and their ilk that have ever had true faith, true humility, true charity, etc.  What a crock.]

Q:  Don’t the reformers think about those Catholics who have held their families together even in very difficult situations, and in these situations who have refused to make a new life for themselves?

A:  So many people who have gone through this laborious life effort ask me now if they were totally wrong in their decision.  They ask if they have thrown their lives away in making sacrifices that in the end are of no use.  This is not acceptable. It is an act of betrayal. [Dang right. It is unconscionable.  And these a-hole modernists just don’t care. They are basically saying “we prefer the sinner, the heretic to the faithful.”  They are saying “we prefer the adulterer to the chaste.”  Synod of death.]

Q:  Do you not think that the crisis in morals is deeply involved with the crisis in liturgy? [Great answer below]

A:  Certainly.  In the post-conciliar period a collapse of the life of faith and of ecclesiastical discipline has taken place, seen especially in the liturgical crisis.  The liturgy has become an anthropocentric activity. [Dang right.  Elsewhere in the interview, the secular interviewer himself notes that the Eucharist has become more a matter of “social acceptance by the community” than the reception of the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ.  That is to say, the Eucharist has been thoroughly protestantized in the minds of the vast majority of Catholics, even among our exalted eminences]  It has ended up by being a reflection of the idea of man instead of the right of God to be adored as He himself asks.  From here, in the moral sphere attention is focused almost exclusively on the needs and wants of men, instead of on what the Creator has written in the hearts of his creatures. [Dang right] The lex orandi is always bound to the lex credendi.  If someone does not pray well, then he does not believe well and therefore he does not behave well. [So how about a statement about the derangement in the NO in general?]  When I go to celebrate the Traditional Mass, for example, I see so many beautiful young families with so many children.  I do not believe that these families do not have problems, but it is evident that they have more strength to confront them. [Heck yes.]  This has to say something.  The liturgy is the most perfect and most complete expression of our life in Christ, and when all of this is lessened or is betrayed every aspect of the life of the faithful is harmed. [How about this for a response, Your Eminence- only ever again assist at or offer the TLM, publicly or privately.  I know you’re already at the TLM at least a couple times a week, but how about always?]

Q:  What can a pastor say to a Catholic who feels bewildered by these winds of change?

A:  The faithful should take courage, because the Lord will never abandon his Church.  We should think about how the Lord calmed the sea in the storm and his words to his disciples:  “Why are you afraid, you men of little faith?” (Mt. 8:26).  If this time of confusion seems to put their faith at risk, they have to only work even harder to live a life that is truly Catholic.  But I am aware that to live in these times is a source of great suffering.

Q:  It is becoming difficult not to think of this as a time of chastisement.

A:  I think about this first of all concerning myself.  If I am suffering at this time because of the situation in the Church, I think that the Lord is telling me that I have need of purification.  And I also think that, if the suffering is so widespread, this means that the whole Church is in need of purification.  But this is not because of a God who is waiting only to punish us.  This is because of our own sins.  If in some way we have betrayed doctrine, moral teaching or the liturgy, it follows inevitably that we will undergo a suffering that purifies us to put us back again on the narrow way. [That is a most beautiful reflection]

————End Quote————

Long enough. God bless Cardinal Burke and his example in these times of suffering.

Who knows, what he is going through now could result in his being much more papabile in the future.


1. Baseballmom - October 16, 2014

I had just finished reading that interview over at rorate and was hoping you would post some of it. For me, it was those final two questions, and Cardinal Burke’s beautiful answers, that gave the greatest joy and peace to my heart and soul. “Pastoral” – in the true sense of that oft misused word….

2. DJD - October 16, 2014

I don’t know if we would be worthy of the honor of having Burke as the Holy Father, but I would to give it a try :).

3. In the Church’s hour of greatest need, +Dolan fails again | A Blog for Dallas Area Catholics - October 16, 2014

[…] That’s not the impression more honest reports have given – and it is also quite a bit in contrast to the presentations Cardinal Burke has given.  He carries himself throughout with all the gravity and sincerity of a bad used car […]

4. steve - October 16, 2014

Pope Francis’ voice is the one Catholic voice this week that should have been heard in response to the horrific crisis related to the dreadful Relatio.

It is fine and edifying that Cardinal Burke and additional Cardinals and bishops in Rome this week rushed publicly to the defense of Jesus Christ and His true teachings.

Deo gratias for them.

But more than anybody else on earth, that task…actually, honor…belongs to Pope Francis.

Pope Francis should have been the first, very first, Catholic bishop to have rushed to Holy Mother Church’s defense when the folks beyond the Relatio inflicted their wounds upon Her.

Where was Pope Francis? Why has he remained silent publicly this week?

The Relation was/is a false report that received worldwide news media attention. The false report in question concerned the Holy Catholic Church.

Imagine if a false report about Wal-Mart…Sears…McDonald’s had received worldwide news media attention this week.

Any corporation would have had their bigwig respond IMMEDIATELY and publicly to said report.

When the National Football League came under attack recently, they had the common sense to have sent out their Commissioner to address the news media and public.

Imagine if a local newspaper picked upon a false report about a lemonade stand business. The stand’s owner would have responded immediately and publicly to the report.

A guy running a lemonade stand knows enough to defense his business…to defend his product…to assure his customers.

The relatio has thrown tens of millions of Catholics this week into chaos and confusion

Why hasn’t Pope Francis addressed his confused and suffering, if you will, “customers”?

The Faithful are, of course, far beyond the status of “customers”.

Pope Francis has a far greater responsibility to address the Faithful at this time than any corporate bigwig has to address his customer.

But His Holiness has remained silent this week.


5. LaGallina - October 16, 2014

I have a question. The discussion seems to always be on Communion for the “divorced and remarried.” But what about the divorced and not remarried? I thought they could not receive Communion either unless they had received an annulment.

Baseballmom - October 17, 2014

The divorced are free to receive communion provided they are not in a state of mortal sin. It is the mortal sin of adultery which disallows “re-married” Catholics from receiving communion…

LaGallina - October 17, 2014

I thought I left a reply but I don’t see it. So sorry if it shows up and I have two.

Anyway, now I am very confused. I thought that the whole reason that the world has the Church of England was because of Henry VIII’s divorce, not his next marriage. Wasn’t St. Thomas More martyred because of the Church’s stance on divorce, not remarriage?

Did the Church change it’s teaching to allow divorced people without annulments to receive Communion?

TG - October 17, 2014

If they separate and are not living together engaging in a sexual relationship, then they can receive. Sometimes people stay legally married for financial reasons, children, or they are old and just waiting for one to die.

Tantumblogo - October 17, 2014

No no divorce, while not wonderful, has never been an impediment to receive the Blessed Sacrament. Henry VIII went into apostasy because the Church would not grant him an annulment so he could marry Anne Boleyn. There was no such thing as divorce back then, or essentially so. You either got an annulment or remained married.

Even Saint Paul indicates that it is possible to leave your spouse in severe cases of abuse – whether that is just separation or a full divorce is less than clear. But it was remarriage that really constituted sin, because you are committing adultery with a still valid marriage.

LaGallina - October 17, 2014

Oh, thanks.

So then if someone was married outside of the Catholic Church and wasn’t a Catholic at the time, then became a Catholic, can he receive Communion without an annulment?

If he remarries, does he need an annulment? What if he marries a divorced Catholic?

(This person was never asked if he had been divorced when he went through RCIA. The first question I was asked when I went to ask about becoming Catholic was whether or not I had ever been divorces.)

Sorry for all the questions, but if anyone has answers I would appreciate it. I have family members who need this information. Thanks

Tantumblogo - October 18, 2014

La Gallina:

You have my e-mail. I will give you the number of some priests. Baseballmom is right, this goes beyond blog talk. Talk to Fr. Rodriguez and/or Father Gordon. Any Mater Dei priests should be able to help.

God willing I shall get back to you Monday.

LaGallina - October 18, 2014


Baseballmom - October 17, 2014

LG, I think the questions your friend/family members have go beyond the scope of this blog. If they can find a good priest to talk with that would be best at this point…

LaGallina - October 18, 2014

Aren’t the Churches teachings plain and simple on matters of marriage? I learned from a Novus Ordo priest when I went through RCIA that divorced Catholics could not receive Communion unless their marriage was declared invalid and annulled. Now I really don’t know how to explain this to family and friends.

6. Baseballmom - October 16, 2014

I will post here what I posted over at LifeSite News: I truly believe now that Our Blessed Lord did NOT ACCEPT Benedict’s abdication. We are living in fascinating times, the spiritual battle is coming to a conclusion. God has His representative on earth and the enemy has his…

7. steve - October 16, 2014

God gave the great gift of Latin to His Holy Church.

Latin is our official language.

Why did Pope Francis declare that Italian would serve as the Synod’s language?

Did Synod Fathers object to His Holiness’ decision to favor Italian over Latin at the Synod?

TG - October 17, 2014

Wasn’t Latin the language of the Romans? I like a Latin mass, songs in Latin, etc. but I’d be happy to just hear the old Mass in English. Some people don’t understand Latin and never will. I really doubt the church will ever go back to just Latin.

8. steve - October 16, 2014

Baseball mom…

Why do you believe that God not accept Pope Benedict XVI’s resignation?

Baseballmom - October 17, 2014

Because of the tremendous state of confusion which Francis is allowing to fester. When a Cardinal goes public to insist that the pope clarify Church teaching, and the pope remains silent and continues to cause great confusion, then we are not dealing with one who is the Vicar of Christ. We know who it is that sows confusion, and we KNOW WHERE that comes from. I believe Pope Benedict is suffering a great Passion while this is going on, and that this Passion of his may be that which will save the Church.

TG - October 17, 2014

I sort of agree with you but why couldn’s Benedict stay on the cross.

Baseballmom - October 19, 2014

Excellent question TG – we don’t know what caused his abdication… But, like all of us, when we don’t accept one Cross we are often given another, heavier, one…

9. steve - October 17, 2014

Thank you for your response.

I am confused and disappointed that Pope Francis has remained silent this week as chaos and scandal have surrounded the Church and Synod.

Several Cardinals and bishops this week acted in immediate, powerful, public and holy fashion to rush to defend Holy Mother Church and orthodoxy at the Synod.

But the Church’s chief bishop, Pope Francis has remained silent this week.

That said, I am not sure that Pope Francis’ mind-boggling silence this week signified that God refused Pope Benedict XVI’s resignation.

I love Pope Francis. I love Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI.

But the reality is that we experienced numerous chaotic communication breakdowns during Pope Benedict XVI’s reign.

Please recall that a major theme within the Church during Pope Benedict XVI’s reign was that a major overhaul of the Holy See’s communication abilities were imperative.

Pope Benedict XVI’s poor management skills launched many a confused moment throughout his pontificate.

Baseballmom - October 17, 2014

I guess the difference for me was that no one doubted where Pope Benedict stood on major moral issues facing the Church. He never publicly stated that an obvious heretic (Cdl. Kasper) was one of his closest advisors and the he “greatly admired his writings.” Kaspers’s heresies go way beyond his opinions on adultery and sodomy… He wants us to “re-think” actual dogmas of the Church. Benedict promoted orthodox Bishops, Francis demoted them… I do appreciate your thoughts Steve very much. Of course we love Francis, to love someone simply means to desire the very best for them. And the very best for anyone is to attain eternal salvation. That is what love is, it is sacrificial and has nothing whatsoever to do with how we “feel” about someone…. Here I think I’m an expert… I have 8 kids 😉

10. Baseballmom - October 17, 2014

Well Steve, I penned a long reply but it did not go through 😦

11. steve - October 17, 2014

Baseballmom, you said that Pope Benedict XVI appointed orthodox bishops. Yes.

But let’s recall that Traditional Catholics often reacted with outrage in regard to certain appointments and actions by Pope Benedict XVI.

He also outraged Traditional Catholics when he overthrew the ancient Traditional Good Friday prayer for Jews.

Pope Benedict XVI rejected the Traditional Good Friday prayer as he claimed that said prayer “wounded” Jews.

A holy and ancient prayer of the Catholic Church served as a “wound”?


Pope Benedict XVI also outraged many Traditionalists when he visited synagogues and mosques…convoked Assisi III, an event that featured a witch doctor who stood on stage as he invoked a prayer to a strange “god”.

My only point is that while I love Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI, he did many things that had outraged a great many Traditional Catholics.

In many ways, he and Pope Francis most clearly adhere to the New Orientation…Novus Ordo, support of novelties, unrelenting attachment to ecumenical/interreligious activities that at the very least, have watered-down the Faith.

Baseballmom - October 17, 2014

I can see why some of his actions would trouble some Catholics. But they did not cut to the core of Catholic teaching on Faith and morals as this synod seems to be doing. I guess, for me, that is the difference.

12. steve - October 17, 2014

Pope Benedict XVI’s unwavering promotion of the Ecumenical Movement, a movement that has unleashed massive destruction within the Church, did not constitute a massive problem in regard to the Faith?

His unwavering promotion of “interreligious” activities — his trips to synagogues and mosques which, in turn, sent mixed and confused messages to the Faithful — did not present a major problem to the life of the Church?

Baseballmom - October 17, 2014

Those things certainly upset some, but they did not seem to be ripping at the soul of the Church the way this sin-nod has done… Again, just my own opinion…

13. steve - October 17, 2014


Read “Rough Diamonds”.

America (Jesuit journal) reports that Pope Francis is concerned that in many seminaries, seminarians are receiving “pre-Vatican II” priestly formations.

That has America (Jesuit journal) and Pope Francis concerned.

The Pope will address the issue of “conservative” pre-Vatican II-style priestly formations.

Wow…it just doesn’t stop…

Baseballmom - October 18, 2014

This pope needs to go…..FAST.

Baseballmom - October 19, 2014

Um…. Yeah… Steve… Well. Thanks a bunch for posting that lovely article…. I was going to take a break from all of the chaos and there ya go posting more “happy news” – thanks sooooo much!

14. steve - October 18, 2014

I agree that chaos this week at the Synod has ripped at Holy Mothe Church’s heart and soul.

15. TLM - October 18, 2014

The way I understand it, the Pope will be making a formal statement at the end of this session of the Synod. That will be interesting. This Synod has become a battlefield. I don’t consider it ‘progressives against conservatives’, I consider it ‘heretics against orthodox’. I have estimated that only a little more than a quarter of the Bishops are in the ‘heretics’ camp. Seems that we outnumber them slightly, but not by leaps and bounds.

But indeed, this is 1962 all over again……I have been saying that for quite a while. Possibly you had to be old enough to have lived through 1962 to see it, (showing my age here;) but I saw this coming a long time ago. Bishop Athanasius Schneider said it best: ‘Thank the dear Lord we now have the internet’. We didn’t have this advantage in 1962. This is a HUGE advantage today. People were being led like sheep to slaughter. They had no idea WHAT was going on. No real information was available to the common lay in the pew. ‘The Church was updating’ was the only info we got. The Church was ‘becoming more relevant in the modern world.’ We now know that was a bunch of evil hogwash.

Check out Cardinal Burke’s latest interview. It’s a phone interview. He comes out to say that ‘The Pope is harming the Church.’ He also says the Synod was manufactured to push the progressive agenda, and it was all planned way ahead of time. (maybe you’ve already posted on this one, I have been too busy this past week to read all my emails:) He also confirmed that he’s been ousted to Malta, although yet no formal word from the Pope. Thank the dear Lord we have Cardinal Burke and others that will not stand down. They are a very important part of God’s army.

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