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Understanding the cold sterility of perverse, “same-sex” relations October 29, 2014

Posted by Tantumblogo in Abortion, Basics, contraception, disaster, error, foolishness, General Catholic, horror, paganism, persecution, scandals, secularism, self-serving, sexual depravity, sickness, Society, unadulterated evil.

The very philosophical E.Bougis at FideCogitActio has a post examining the ontological differences between normal, rightly ordered (and God-ordained) desires ordered towards the procreation of children, and the cold, barren sterility of perverse relations between people of the same sex.  Both Mr. Bougis’ own analysis, and a quote from Germain Grisez are worthy of reading.  First, Mr. Bougis:

Homosexuality is, by definition, love of one’s sameness-in-sex. It is, in other words, love of one’s self-in-sex. Homosexuality is, therefore, onanism by a longer name. It is the quintessence of the contraceptive (i.e. sterile) mentality. As such, it is not simply immoral; it is an aesthetic outrage, and therefore it is the pageant of our grotesque age.

For those who are, like me, unaware of what “onanism” means, it means self-abuse.  And without going into too much detail, I fervently agree. I have long believed that so-called homosexuality is a very highly developed form of narcissistic self-love, fed by self-abuse, that over time and especially with repeated exposure to pornography can eventually – not in every case, but in some – cause an individual to actually develop appetites for the same in intimate relations rather than the opposite.  Yes there are many corollary factors such as childhood sex abuse by a same-sex abuser (THE number one cause for falling into this kind of lifestyle), absent or distant fathers, perhaps even a certain predisposition to this kind of perversion, but overall, the perverse appetites develop as a result of unconstrained and truly abusive descent into addictive self-pleasuring.  As the mind and soul experience more and more of this pleasure at the, ahem, hands of the self, somehow the natural appetites are deranged to desire not the opposite, but the same in this powerful and almost totally misunderstood realm of psycho-sexual behavior.  Acceptance of self-abuse as “natural, normal, and harmless” in pseudo-scientific literature on the subject in such disastrous “guides” as The Joy of Sex and others caused, I believe, the explosion in perverse behavior we have seen in the past few decades.  Between normal relations rendered sterile by contraception, and the virtual epidemic of self-abuse in our culture (virtually every man today abuses himself regularly, and the large majority of women now, too), individual’s normal repulsion towards unnatural behaviors has been dramatically lessened, and the groundwork laid for “tolerance” and even “acceptance” of incredibly destructive behaviors.  We presently have an epidemic of intentional sterility in our culture, and that epidemic is destroying it.  God always allows our own worst sins to be our downfall, whether as individuals, or as a society.

On to Germain Grisez’ comments:

[A]lthough it is true that partners in sodomy also could conceivably share in a committed relationship with sincere mutual affection and express their feelings in ways that would be appropriate in any friendship, the coupling of two bodies of the same sex cannot form one complete organism and so cannot contribute to a bodily communion of persons. Hence, the experience of intimacy of the partners in sodomy cannot be the experience of any real unity between them. [Which is why so many same-sex “couples” practice serial “infidelity” and few relations last any length of time.  Even those most “committed” partnerings held up as examples of “virtuous” same-sex behavior almost always tolerate regular couplings outside the “committed” relationship]Rather, each one’s experience of intimacy is private and incommunicable, and is no more a common good than is the mere experience of sexual arousal and orgasm. Therefore, the choice to engage in sodomy for the sake of that experience of intimacy in no way contributes to the partners’ real common good as committed friends.

Someone who admits that sodomy necessarily lacks the unitive significance of heterosexual intercourse which makes a couple a single reproductive principle might nevertheless suggest that a couple can choose such sodomitic intercourse as a way of communicating good will and affection. [I’m sorry, but to sodomize someone is such a violent, unnatural act, I find any such claims to be mere shams, ridiculous cover given to try to excuse the inexcusable.]However, just as with fornicators, sexual intercourse is not chosen by sodomites in preference to conversation and mutually beneficial acts because it is the more expressive means of communicating good will and affection. Rather, it is chosen because it provides subjective satisfactions otherwise unavailable. [And I think the act in question involves the acting out of very sick and twisted roles of aggressor and submissive which, in almost every human society in history until now, were always understood to be the resort of a demented mind.  Fem-fem acting out is just as sick even if the abuse takes place in different ways.] Consequently, while sodomites may not choose, as fornicators do, an illusory good instead of a real one, they do choose to use their own and each other’s bodies to provide subjective satisfactions, and thus they choose self-disintegrity as masturbators do. Of course, while masturbators can be interested exclusively in the experience of sexual arousal and orgasm, sodomites also are interested in the illusion of intimacy.” (From The Way of the Lord Jesus, vol. 2)

Perhaps, but  I would argue that even these relatively benign (but still outrageously perverse) reasons for this behavior given above are rare in the individuals so accursed.  That is why even in public demonstrations of their perversions these poor lost souls cannot help but engage in outrageous displays of nudity, sado-masochism, denigration of wholesome institutions (like the Church and family), and violence.  Anyone who has seen photos of “pride” parades knows this to be true, and while perhaps most do not engage in these very public displays of degeneration, a very large number do so in private.


And what is more, these folks know, deep down inside, what they are.  That is why they demand such constant affirmations and even glorification from the culture at large, and why they will persecute the faithful with an unyielding savagery.

It is amazing I even have to write this.  The very idea that someone would have to explain the manifest grotesqueness of this perverse behavior against widespread societal acceptance would have shocked the average person from even 20 or 30 years ago.  That is how far we have fallen, so very fast.

And yet our beloved Church is absolutely infested with this perversion.  Lord, have mercy.



1. Baseballmom - October 30, 2014

Your last sentences say it all… We are infested with this evil… Lord have Mercy…

2. John - October 30, 2014

I have deep reservations about your post. IF you’re going to write about homosexuality, it’s good to try to elevate your article above the level of ‘ewwwwwww, gross!’. I’m not sure you have achieved this.

As such, it is extremely easy to gainsay it. For instance, does anyone remember Scott Hahn’s oft-repeated apologetic for the nature of the Eucharist? It was, to paraphrase, that the ultimate expression of affection for humanity is to be inside another person. He connected holy intimacy with physical location such as a child in utero and the marital act.

Well, one could therefore describe homosexual relations as a misguided attempt to achieve that kind of holy intimacy in the most direct way possible. See, that’s an alternate explanation to yours of violence and conquest, and since you posited yours without any evidence, mine is just as valid.

As long as those of us Catholics who are concerned at the mainstreaming of homosexuality continue to act and write in deficient ways about it, we will be totally ineffective at anything but preaching to the choir. Yes, traditional Catholics love to get the heebie-jeebies about homosexuality and write blogs in which they can appear the most offended by it (“I’m the most offended!” “No, *I’m* the most offended!” “No, No, I’m more offended than either of you!”). However this is sound and fury signifying nothing.

Being an offended traditional Catholic is like being a human being with ears or a teenager with acne. Congratulations, you’re just like everyone else. Now, do you have anything substantive to offer?

Tantumblogo - October 30, 2014

I think you tip your hand a bit. Physician, heal thyself. That’s one thing. I will never go into details, but I can attest – I won’t say how – that your attempt to ascribe holy intent, some disordered method of trying to achieve a union akin to Christ’s with His Church! – is simply not even in the realm of consideration for those who fall into this kind of lust. At least in the vast majority of cases. My blog is oriented towards confirming the faithful, giving them additional tools to remain faithful in a sea of grotesqueries. It is not much oriented towards converting the lost sheep. There are other sites that take the more open and merciful approach you advocate with varying degrees of success. This site started long ago to deal with a specific crisis in this Diocese, but has morphed over time as an outlet for my thoughts, failed and disordered though it may be. You are free not to read it. It’s also incredibly easy to start you own blog, to show the rest of us how it’s done. From my perspective and experience, the post I linked shared very important thoughts from two respected Catholic philosophers. I thought the material provided a not often seen means of contradicting an increasingly widespread and destructive error. If it’s all old hat to you, great! Like I said, show us how it’s done. But as for how to approach these kinds of people, if your concern is conversion, I’ll also say, it takes all kinds. Many people may be turned off by such strong condemnations, but some may not. Some may even respond. It’s happened before, right here. So the entire thing was basically “You didn’t do it the way I like. Boo.”

3. Lynne - October 30, 2014

“As the mind and soul experience more and more of this pleasure at the…hands of the self, somehow the natural appetites are deranged to desire not the opposite, but the same in this powerful and almost totally misunderstood realm of psycho-sexual behavior.” Malignant narcissism… It remains a mental disorder, no matter what the APA did in 1973.

4. TG - October 30, 2014

Great post and I agree with those you were quoting and your own thoughts. I’ve always thought homosexuality is a form of narcissism. I also think it is ‘ewwwwwww, gross!’. Lifesite News had an article this past year about how a movie about Liberace or whatever his name is was not shown in the US is that it would make people be aware of just how perverted homos are The movie was only shown in Europe. I guess they handle “gross” better than Americans.

5. maggycast - October 30, 2014

Great article! Yes, the sodomites have hijacked healthy relationship language in order to pretend what they are doing is the same…”partner”, “couple” etc. The group I belong to, Encourage the Faithful, is a yahoo group of Catholic trads with family members and others they love who have embraced sodomy. We created a new term: ptaw…stands for “person they act out with”…sounds like “pee-taw”. Amazing how just changing the language helps us see how messed up sodomy is…hard to do in our emo, shallow and narcissistic society. You are more than welcome to use the term in your posts and begin turning the tide in language:+) Sodomites coopted the word “gay”, so why not add a word of our own? :+)

And yes, per our research, sodomy is the height of narcissism….it’s ALLLL about them…and they will do whatever it takes to get your approval and their feel good. Thankfully prayer and the courage to speak the truth in kindness works:+) Thanks again for posting…great job! God bless~

6. Steve B - November 1, 2014

Great post Tantamergo!

If only our faithful Catholic Bishops, Priests, and Laity would use this proper and accurate word (as you did in this post) for describing same-sex acts and attraction: perverted.

Yup, it truly is perverted in God’s eyes, and it is SO perverted that traditionally the Church has taught that it “cries out to Heaven for vengeance” – along with several other sinful atrocities: 1) premeditated murder, 2) defrauding workers of their right wage, and 3) oppression of the poor.

Let’s just consider the most objective of reasons for why homosexual attraction and acts are perverted – namely, that the most fundamental biological purpose of sexual acts is for procreation. After all, isn’t that why that part of our male & female anatomy is categorically named the “reproductive system”?

With that being the case, how possibly can it ever be considered “healthy”, “normal”, or “acceptable” to use that part of our anatomy with another person of the same gender? Sex acts shared with another person of the same gender are absolutely, and 100% of the time, always and everywhere, sterile. For men, at the peak moment of enjoyment of the male sex act, the biology itself acts to transfer genetic material to another person – for the very purpose of reproduction – i.e. its primary and most fundamental purpose.

Imagine if we never used other biological functions of our anatomy for their primary and intended purpose – eyes, ears, tongue, touch, etc. – would we deem those acts as anything other than being perverted???

This issue isn’t rocket science, Catholic Bishops, Priests, and Laity.

It’s time we boldly call a spade a spade, and without hesitation: homosexual acts and lifestyles are inherently and always perverse and offensive in the eyes of God, and a blight upon humanity. As the Catechism also says, even same-sex attraction is inherently disordered. Homosexual acts and lifestyles are heinous SINS that – if not repented for – will place one’s soul in grave danger of eternal damnation.

Bishops & Priests – boldly proclaim this message. Catholic Laity – don’t hesitate to tell them and remind them of their duty to do so, if they are not.

God bless,

Steve B

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