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The suffering people experience in trying to find an orthodox presentation of the Faith is immense…….. October 30, 2014

Posted by Tantumblogo in Art and Architecture, Basics, Dallas Diocese, Eucharist, General Catholic, Holy suffering, Latin Mass, Liturgy, North Deanery, sadness, Tradition, Virtue.

……..especially in this Diocese, which is, strangely enough, somewhat on the liberal side of the spectrum as such things go.  Which fact is very odd, considering the overwhelming political (if not cultural, which is so much more critical) conservativism of this area.

A commenter and fellow blogger of this Diocese of Dallas has a post up that describes experiences I think many faithful souls suffer through.  Trying to find a parish home that provides the spiritual sustenance many so desperately need can be a very daunting prospect.  The vast majority of spiritual “product” out there is unnourishing pablum, as offensive to the aesthetic sense as it is to the sensus fidei, the sense of faith.

This blogger relates her own experience as a protestant convert to the Faith who left protestantism behind due to its internal contradictions and flight from reason in its theology.  This blogger noted how barren and devoid of sign and symbol the protestant experience is, at least in most of the US.  Expecting to find a much more enriching experience in the Church, she instead found almost exactly the same thing: casual, barren liturgies, ugly buildings, insipid music, and an appalling lack of an appropriate sense of reverence as beings in the Presence of God Incarnate.  While her experience has varied, she has f0und only one parish in the Richardson/Plano/Allen/McKinney area acceptable, and with rest being inhibited by the same litany of deficiencies so many of the rest of us have lamented and, ultimately, fled:

So I’ve tried three parishes close to my home, and here is a partial list, in random order, of horrible things I have experienced:

  • Protestant style “worship music” with a full band, lead singer, and backup singers. Even the liturgical music is in this style, so that I am listening to a guitar and drums and a woman wailing like Christina Aguilera while the priest prepares the altar and I approach to receive Communion. This has been the case at 2 of the 3 churches I’ve attended, and at one of those the band included – I am not making this up – bongo drums. In one of them, the band blocked 1/4 of the congregation from being able to view the altar. In another, the woman – in a tight, low-cut tank top – canted the psalm Christina Aguilera-style, replete with making “I’m hitting a high note right now” faces. [Heh. Pretty apt description.  Choirs were put in a loft at the back for a reason.  It’s not a performance, it’s an act of service and, yes, worship.]
  • People wearing t-shirts, yoga pants, shorts, flip-flops, and baseball caps to Mass. [Well I’ve literally seen women in a tank top over a bikini during the summer]
  • In one church, there was a bathroom right off the sanctuary, and people constantly came and went – yes, throughout the liturgy of the Eucharist and even during the blessing of the Body and Blood. I glanced up from prayer at one point during this and saw someone standing there right outside a bathroom door pumping hand sanitizer onto his hands and thought Where am I?
  • A priest looking at a cell phone in the confessional. [Just horrible.  Abomination of desolation, indeed.]
  • A priest, after giving announcements before Mass, asking all the visitors to stand up and be welcomed. (I did not stand up.) When a few stood, everyone clapped. I do not go to Mass to be singled out and clapped for, or clap for other people – not even Christina Aguilera. I am here to receive Christ. That is the kind of crap I hated about the Baptist churches of my youth, and I was totally bummed that it happened at a Catholic church. [And this blogger noted that it was the lack of reverence and way over developed focus on me, ME, ME! that drove her from the protestants.  Expecting to find much better, she has been disappointed. Unfortunately, I know far more than a handful of Catholics who have fled the other direction for the exact same reasons.  They may find some relatively reverent small protestant community and it gives them at least some saccharine, if not the D5W they need in their state of spiritual emergency.  When you’re spiritually starved, you’ll take anything.  And that is the condition far too many souls find themselves in.  The NO Mass in most parishes is a thin spiritual gruel that neither nourishes nor appeals to the taste, when it should be the smorgasbord of the TLM with the finest in fare and 5 star execution.  How’s that for beating a metaphor to death!]
  • People letting their children act like they are in a doctor’s office waiting room: taking off their shoes, digging around in Mom’s purse for gum, etc. [how about video games complete with sound!]
  • A marked lack of reverence: hardly anyone genuflects; hardly anyone receives on the tongue; hardly anyone even seems to care that they are in the presence of Christ. They don’t sing (although young people seem to love singing along loudly to the horrific “worship music,” probably because they know it from the radio.) I’ve seen only two other women in veils throughout all these visits, and we get stared at like museum curiosities.[A woman walked up to my wife after Mass in Bandera, TX at a pretty little parish run by Polish priests that was actually pretty orthodox – at least for San Antonio diocese.  Anyway, she walks up to my wife and says “Are you Byzantines?”  And I turn around with a great big s—eating grin and say “NO, WE’RE TRADDIES!”  She had no idea what I meant.]
  • Spaces that are at best modern and Protestant-looking, even if beautiful (St. Joseph is a good example) and at worst resemble converted gyms or community centers.

This is the same lament I made about 50 times on this blog in the period 2009-2010.  Then I found the TLM, and I was even more outraged. How could the Church have ever traded this glorious Mass for what we have now?!?  What were they thinking?!  

At the same time, I recognize that even for me it took some time to “build” to the point of assisting at the TLM.  That seems absurd now, but Catholics have been conditioned by hostile priests, laity, media, etc. for decades to view the TLM and the traditional practice of the Faith in general as something strange and alien, reserved only for kooks.  I recognize not everyone is ready to step from your average spare to fair NO Mass to the glorious TLM.  So, in the interests of helping souls find better sustenance short of the only TLM parish in the Diocese (ever?  It’s been threatened!), here are a few alternatives in descending order of orthodoxy and reverence, at least so far as I know.  Note, this list is biased towards the northern suburbs because that’s where the commenter lives:

1. St. William the Confessor, Greenville: Far and away the best non-Mater Dei alternative. Fr. Paul Weinberger has been pastor here since 2003.  A very good priest and even better man, Fr. Weinberger makes his NO Latin Mass as traditional and reverent as he is allowed to make it.  He would offer the TLM if he were permitted.  NO Latin Mass on Sundays.  Chant in Sunday morning Masses.  Communion received kneeling and on the tongue at the altar rail.  Benedictine arrangement of the altar (again, would offer Ad Orientem, but not allowed to do so).  Takes Confession very seriously and it is available almost every day, and for hours on Sunday.  Fr. Weinberger has endured many sufferings and unjust persecutions.  Please pray for him.

2. Saint Sophia Ukrainian Catholic Church, The Colony:  Reverent liturgy.  Consecration behind iconostasis, per Byzantine custom.  Old Slavonic liturgy, at least on Sundays. Beautiful eastern liturgy.  Very small but gorgeous church.  Confession not nearly so frequent as St. William.

The video below gives you some idea of what the parish looks like.  I cannot vouch for the content of the video, just watch the first bit to see how the iconostasis looks!

3.  Our Lady of Lebanon, Lewisville:  Parish somewhat famous for being Fr. Mitch Pacwa’s “home” parish.  Maronite Rite.  Some or all of the liturgy in Aramaic, the language of Christ.  Another pretty church.  I really can’t comment too much as I’ve never been but I know those who have and they would probably put Our Lady of Lebanon somewhere between St. William and Saint Thomas Aquinas for overall reverence, beauty, symbolism, and orthodoxy.

From here things drop pretty fast.  Really, the more time I spend at a TLM parish exclusively, the more the rest of the Novus Ordo parishes seem pretty much the same.  I’ll list a few more, in no particular order, that are either pretty, tend toward the orthodox side, and/or are known for not being very abusive:

St. Mark the Evangelist, Plano:  Horridly ugly church, built as a descending pit/amphitheater with the altar BELOW most of the people, at least there is a large true stained glass window, but full of modernist imagery.  However, the liturgy on Sunday especially at 9 and 10:30 is pretty orthodox as are the priests.  Incense generally used at 10:30.  Choir is improving and I think mixing in some chant.  Don’t go to the yute Mass at 6:30, many others in Spanish.  Also avoid those, they are less reverent and orthodox.

St. Thomas Aquinas, Dallas: Nice old church, somewhat wreckovated, I understand the liturgy swerves all over the map. I know my dear departed friend Vicki Middleton, God rest her soul, got very fed up with abuses here.  Still, it is generally known – or used to be known? – for being somewhat on the orthodox side.  YMMV.

St. Edward Dallas:  One of the most beautiful parishes remaining in the Diocese, it has not been wreckovated to death but the altar rails were ripped out.  I cannot vouch for the liturgy, it may be bad as the parish is almost entirely Spanish speaking now, but on the other hand the parish is still very traditional looking, so maybe it’s not so bad.  Only English Mass is at noon, Sunday.

Christ the King, Dallas:  Located near Highland Park and attracts the richy-rich crowd. Gorgeous parish, still has altar rails and high altar, Msgr. Zimmer is on the liberal side but the liturgy was OK 15 years ago.  Tabernacle in the right place. Lots of photos online, the parish is very popular for weddings, etc, for its traditional Catholic appearance and beauty.  But if you’re looking for real liturgical and catechetical meat, this is probably not the place.  Best for aesthetes who aren’t much interested in liturgy.

St. Anthony, Wylie:  Ugly church, can’t say the pastor is Mr. Orthodoxy, laity are actually quite faithful and well informed, by and large.  As for Mass…….meh.

I’m way out of time.  There are a few other pretty churches that haven’t been ruined like the new St. Cecilia (the namesake of my dear departed mother in law), but as for liturgy and homoletical catechesis, that list above is probably most of the tops north of say downtown Dallas, roughly.  You could pick a fight over some left out or included. This was just a real quick, super large brush-stroke presentation.



1. Woody - October 30, 2014

With regard to St. Marks, you’re joking, right? The 9 and 10:30 masses are orthodox?! You’re not referring to St. Marks Episcopal church, are you?

2. steve - October 31, 2014

I disagree that St Mark’s is an ugly church.

The descending pit aspect to St Mark parish is, well, the pits. When the pit premiered decades ago, everybody was in agreement that the design was dreadful.

More than a few elderly communicants struggle each Mass to return to their pews…the climb for them is difficult.

Yes, a truly shocking and awful design.

But at least as compared to additional parishes in Richardson, Plano, Allen and McKinney, Saint Mark’s sacred images and large Crucifixes (including the chapel) convey some sense of tradition and holy beauty that the parishes in question lack.

Please recall that for years, Saint Mark featured Risen Christ “crucifixes” and, as I recall, had separated the Holy Tabernacle far from the altar.

Unfortunately, the Tabernacle and Altar remained separated. However, Father Smith has at least restored the Tabernacle to the center of the church.

Pastor Smith deserves credit for having restored some sense of Tradition and beauty to the parish.

3. steve - October 31, 2014

More on Saint Mark…

With the exceptions of the bilingual Easter Vigil Mass (I won’t assist at that out-of-control Mass again) and “Youth Mass” at which I had assisted, the Masses offered by Fathers Smith and Hopka have been reverent.

That said, the Masses are vernacular Novus Ordo and simply lack the tremendous traditional character that the Traditional Roman Mass offers.

The major deficiency at Saint Mark concerns the parish/diocese’s refusal to enact Holy Mother Church’s teachings in regard to Latin and Gregorian Chant.

Saint Mark is divided hopelessly along the line of language. That is the parish/diocese’s fault.

God gifted his Church, particularly the Latin Church, with the holy and unifying gift of Latin.

As Pope Saint John XXIII made clear, vernacular Mass divides…elevates one language and culture over another…leads to jealousies.

That is made tremendously clear during Saint Mark’s ridiculous bilingual (English/Spanish) Masses.

It is unbelievable to me that the parish trashes God’s great and unifying gift of Latin in favor of Tower of Babel Masses.

The additional Masses at the parish, either Spanish or English, encourages segregation.

Anglos have “their” Masses. Hispanics have “their” Masses.

Segregation and Tower of Babel-like division reigns at Saint Mark parish…and that is the parish’s fault for having ignored Holy Mother Church’s holy teachings in regard to Latin.

guiseppi - October 31, 2014

Wow, you nailed it. I’ve never heard it referenced that way, but you are right. Segregation, not unification, and we miss the opportunity to become the ONE Body of Christ. Very sad.

4. steve - October 31, 2014

Now, a major plus at Saint Mark The Evangelist Parish…

Father Smith has done a fine and holy job in having promoted the Holy Sacrament of Penance at the parish.

As far as I know, the additional Richardson, Plano, Allen and McKinney parishes lag in comparison to Saint Mark’s Confession schedule.

Considering the collapse of the Sacrament of Penance throughout the diocese and elsewhere…remove confessionals from the main areas of churches and you will suffer the consequences (confessionals…out of sight, out of mind)…Father Smith has done his part at Saint Mark’s to promote Penance.

Thank you, Father Smith.

Woody - October 31, 2014

Sounds to me like you owe Fr. Clif some money.

5. steve - October 31, 2014

I clicked the link that you provided in this thread…the blogger mentioned Saint Joseph (Richardson) and the fine amount of reverence that one finds at said parish..

One thing about Saint Joseph…be prepared for a free-for-all, at least in the narthex, during the Saturday night (5:00 P.M.) Vigil Mass.

During Holy Communion (about 15 minutes), wave after wave of communicants bolt through the narthex to the parking lot(s).

Perhaps 40 percent of the church empties during Holy Communion.

After all, why on earth should a Catholic return to his pew to pray and stay to the end of the Mass.

However, a great many folks pause in the narthex after having received Holy Communion.

They stand their, talk…shout…discuss as to where they will eat dinner shortly…what time they will awaken Sunday morning to play golf…how the Dallas Cowboys will fare.

As Holy Communion continues, they remain in the narthex chattering…loud.

It is difficult, if not impossible, at that time to pray and mediate in the narthex at Saint Joseph’s.

After five to ten minutes, they proceed finally to their cars.

But by that time, additional folks have filled in the narthex.

They stand talking until Mass has ended…then bolt to their cars.

It is clear that they move into the narthex so as to get a head start to the parking lots the very second that Mass has ended.

Again…during Saturday’s Vigil Mass at Saint Joseph, don’t stand in the narthex during the final 15 minutes of Mass…at least if you wish to pray and mediate.

Be prepared to hear loud and constant chatter. The situation there is out of control…big-time.

A total lack of reverence.

Kristen - November 2, 2014

I never said there was a “fine amount of reverence” at St. Joseph. I said it was more reverent than the other parishes I’ve visited, and I’ll stand by that. The music is not (usually) Latin chant but it’s not pop music either. There is no bathroom basically inside the sanctuary, no full band blocking my view of the altar, and the assembly seems for engaged and present and aware of the holiness of the Mass. One woman’s opinion.

6. steve - October 31, 2014

As additional point in regard to Saint Joseph’s Saturday Vigil Mass.

In the narthex, the odds are that you will encounter several children whose parents permit them to run wild…and I mean wild…throughout the Mass.

Be prepared also in the narthex to encounter adults who chatter throughout the Mass.

The following has been cleaned up…for the most part.

But during Mass, if a display has been set up (or is being set up), be prepared for the possibility of volunteers at the display table to discuss “business” throughout the Mass.

Over the loud speaker, you hear the priest: “Let us pray…”

Next to you, you hear: “Okay, Jane. Set up the display right here…I’ll place the tickets there…where is Shirley?…anybody seen Becky?”

7. guiseppi - October 31, 2014

It is tough. Having moved here a little over a year ago from the East Coast, it became apparent almost immediately the Protestant flavor in the liturgy. I am convinced the difference is the attitude towards the Blessed Virgin Mary. Even on the East Coast, there was a marked difference in the parishes: those who honored Her were more traditional and reverent, and it was split just about 50/50 so finding an appropriate church wasn’t that difficult. Here, well, it’s pretty rare. In the year we have been here, it has become apparent to me the effect this is having on my children, as they are becoming somewhat more “relaxed” in their worship and this is quite distressing to me. We try to make a difference our continued reverence at Mass, and through catechesis in all the activities in which we are involved. My saving grace is the parish where TLM offered about 1/2 hour away, and the Novus Ordo mass there is solid as well; so we alternate between there and the local church where all the children’s friends are. Suffering …. lots of that going on, not only my husband and I, but I can’t help but feel the suffering and sadness of the Lord for the nonsense and heretical things being said and done, even though it’s being done in shades of gray. This is mission territory, and suffering is good – it can save souls when you offer it up. Thank you, sincerely, for your blog, because it gives me hope, validation, and some consolation that I’m not in this alone.

8. steve - October 31, 2014

Woody, although not in the monetary sense, in an even more important sense, I am indebted to Father Cliff Smith.

I am a sinner. I need a parish that goes out of its way to offer easy access to the Sacrament of Penance.

With the many hours each week that Saint Mark parish offers the Sacrament of Penance, I have every advantage to avail myself to Confession.

Thank you, Pastor Smith. I am indebted to you.

9. Woody - October 31, 2014

Stop it. Please. You’re making me cry. But on a serious note, it sounds like you both deserve each other. I’m happy for you.

steve - October 31, 2014

What is wrong with Saint Mark parish’s approach to Penance?

10. steve - October 31, 2014

Guiseppi, the following scene used to break my heart.

For many years, Saint Mark The Evangelist used to offer at the same time English and Spanish Masses.

Brothers and sisters in the Faith used to arrive at Saint Mark at hour “X”.

Anglos and Hispanics would walk side by side from their cars to the church.

Anglos would then proceed to Mass in English offered in the main church. Hispanics would proceed to the Spanish Mass offered in the Cafetorium.

At a different hour on Sunday, the Masses in question flip-flopped locations.

Segregation…pure and simple.

Anglos had “their Mass”. Hispanics had “their” Mass.

Today at Saint Mark, each group has its “own” Mass…replete with its “own” music…”Anglo” music…”Hispanic” music.

God has an answer to Saint Mark’s segregation.


Gregorian Chant.

If the parish (and Dallas Diocese) obeyed Holy Mother Church’s teachings in regard to Latin and Gregorian Chant, then Anglos and Hispanics would have one language, one form of music.

Perfect harmony. Perfect unity.

Adios…goodbye…to segregation at Saint Mark parish.

Adios…goodbye…to the Tower of Babel.

11. David - October 31, 2014


I have to differ a little on your opinion of St. Anthony’s in Wylie. I go there often since I moved not far away from there a few years ago. I happen to like the architecture of the church, where the pews face the altar, there are statues present, there are kneelers, and the tabernacle is visible from the front. it would be possible to add an altar rail. I feel like I am in a church and not at a junior college (thats’ how I feel when I have walked in to a certain west Plano church).

While I cannot speak for the 10:30 a.m. Mass (I’ve heard it gets a little crowded, and Wylie has had quite a bit of growth) and the 12:30 p.m. Spanish Mass, I enjoy going to the 7:30 a.m. Mass and by the way, the Saturday vigil Mass at 5:00 p.m. sings Latin hymms from the balcony. If you arrive for confession on Saturday afternoon, it’s a good reason to stay for the Saturday vigil Mass. Also, get there early for confession – if you arrive an hour before the 5:00 p.m. Mass there will be a long line.

I took my mother who was visiting one weekend to the Saturday Vigil, and she was pleasantly surprised by the Latin hymms. i grew up going to Saturday evening Mass (my brother and I were altar boys and we always got scheduled for the Saturday evening Mass at our Houston parish), and I will say that St. Anthony’s has the most reverent Saturday evening Mass that I have attended.

I do agree that the majority of the parishioners are well informed Catholics too. The traditions placed by Fr. Anthony Pondant (God rest his soul) and Fr. Loyd Morris are alive. I’ve also found the religious ed program to be solid, I help with a class there, and we have used the Baltimore Catechism.

David - October 31, 2014

Here’s two other things I like about St. Anthonys in Wylie:

1) Communion is distributed under one species (only the bread, the cup is not distributed like at other parishes), and the altar servers use the platens so the communicant does not drop the host.

2) There is a sign in the narthex about proper dress, something along the lines of “Remember this is a place of reverence, please dress appropriately.”

I would like to see No.2 at more parishes. I know a few parishes have written bulletin and newsletter articles to make people more aware of “proper etiquette”. I’ve also noticed when more people dress better for Mass, the congregation sometimes takes note. One parish I have attended over the years I’ve noticed when the current pastor, the previous pastor, and the parochial vicars addressed this issue (mostly in letters), I’ve noticed people dressing better.

12. steve - October 31, 2014


At home, do you play for your children videos (or access Youtube.com) of the TLM.

Keep their minds filled with images of Holy Tradition.


13. David - October 31, 2014

A few years ago (2011), I was invited by a friend to attend the 11:00 a.m. Mass at St. Gabriel’s in McKinney. It was late September, and half the congregation (including grown men) arrived in shorts or jeans. The choir sang three Marty Haugen songs (I counted them..one was the overplayed Gather Us In from my youth), and the homily wasn’t something I can remember. We did kneel during communion though.

Yes, there were people leaving after communion (probably to go get some golf in that afternoon), and while I’m not a dead guy, I noticed a lady (i.e. an attractive 30-ish female) who walked up to communion in a skirt and heels that were more appropriate for a dance club. Call me a prude, but I would have not let my girlfriend come to Mass dressed like that, and I think most Catholic women over 25 would be a little more careful when dressing for Mass. (At my old parish in Bedford, every now and then some women 40 and under would come to Mass during the summertime in Daisy Dukes).

Needless to say, I was disappointed, particularly for an 11:00 am Mass. If I lived up that way, I would probably drive over to St. Michael’s in McKinney or St. Francis of Assisi in Frisco.

14. steve - October 31, 2014

A positive for Saint Joseph parish in Richardson…

A few months ago during his sermon, a priest (I’ll not name him) at St Joseph said that the Sacrament of Penance was all but dead at the parish.

Saint Joseph parish did little to promote the Sacrament of Penance.

But a couple of months ago, the parish added Confession to Monday nights at 5:00 P.M.

Each Monday at the parish, Mass begins at 6:00 P.M.

Therefore, the opportunity for about one hour each Monday to confess one’s sins is available at the parish.

Each Saturday morning at Saint Joseph parish, Confession begins at 9:00 A.M.

Deo gratias for the additional time (each Monday) added to St. Joseph’s Confession schedule.

15. RC - October 31, 2014

The most reverent NO I have been to in the DFW area (I have not been to St. William), is by far St. JPII in Denton. Father Kyle does an amazing job, especially at the 11(?)am Mass. I recommend that if you are in Denton County or the surrounding area..go there! I know they need donations as well, as they are mostly dependent on students I believe

16. discipleofthedumbox - October 31, 2014

Thank you for highlighting St. Williams in Greenville. This parish was one of the primary reasons why I moved my family out this far in the ‘Outer Rim’ territories of the Dallas diocese. I would encourage all in the diocese to make the effort and drive out to one of his many Masses offered here on the weekend and most especially his Latin ‘NO’ Mass. Show your support of traditional Catholicism and fill the pews of both Mater Dei and St. Williams.

17. TG - October 31, 2014

Great post. Says so much of what I feel about the NO Mass and most parishes. I wish I could get an account of different churches in the Diocese of Austin. (I guess we need an Austin blogger like you.) In Temple, St. Mary’s the most traditional, St. Luke’s is ugly with no tabernacle in the altar, and I don’t go to Our Lady of Guadalupe – don’t trust hispanic parishes. (However, the priests are good – heard their homilies before.) I have a hard time at Mass if I hear ugly, inappropriate hymns (especially during Holy Communion). Who wants to hear Amazing Grace during Holy Communion. The only Mass I can attend now in my parish is the Vigil Mass or early Sunday Mass because the choir is more traditional. They actually sing some Latin hymns. Sometimes I feel like such a grumpy old lady but all I really want is a beautiful and reverant Mass. It used to be you could go to any parish in the past and just hear the Mass. Now you don’t know what you might run into.

18. Camper - November 2, 2014

At the far southeastern edge of the metroplex, St. John’s in Ennis has a beautiful old church with a lot of dignity and a pastor who, despite some liturgical abuse, is doing a lot of good. 24/7 Eucharistic adoration, three masses M-Thurs. and confessions on Monday, Tuesday, and Saturday evenings. Ellis County is a haul for most people, but the venue itself really is nicer than Mater Dei, which, though attractive, feels cramped in comparison. No sermons against contraception, though there are sermons on other important topics that are widely neglected. For retirees and blue-collar workers, Ennis has a lot going for it. I’ve heard Gregorian Chant here.

St. Joseph’s in Waxahachie, on the other hand, is poor and has an ugly venue.

Corsicana’s church also doesn’t look great.

19. Camper - November 2, 2014

I should add that there are three masses each day on M-Thurs.

20. MFG - November 2, 2014

Cistercian Abbey tends to be reverent; especially on First Friday’s with the UD schola (amazing!). I hear their Sunday sung Mass is beautiful too. Many TLMers used to attend their 630am daily Mass when the FSSP was on retreat (pre-2010).

From a confession point of view, St. Jude’s chapel in downtown Dallas has daily confessions in a traditional confessional. It also still has altar rails though not used. Mater Dei used to be here in the early 90s.

I hear St. Basil in Irving is good. Also the polish parish; St. Peter’s in uptown had a reverent daily Mass at 7:30pm which 3 people showed up for. It was nice and felt like a private daily Mass. 🙂

Overall I think there are some tiny pockets of tradition out there, but they are scattered (confessions at one parish; liturgy at another, etc.).

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