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Cardinal Burke continues to walk a fine line November 6, 2014

Posted by Tantumblogo in Basics, disaster, episcopate, error, foolishness, General Catholic, persecution, sadness, scandals, secularism, sexual depravity, sickness, Society, SOD.

Once again, as I saw another blogger predict, Cardinal Burke has seemed to walk back a bit some comments he made earlier in the week.  Those comments included statements like this:

“Many have expressed their concerns to me. At this very critical moment, there is a strong sense that the Church is like a ship without a helm, whatever the reason for this may be; now, it is more important than ever to examine our faith, have a healthy spiritual leader and give powerful witness to the faith.”

Cardinal Burke seems quite at pains to establish that, in spite of his many statements, he is not at odds with Pope Francis as so many have interpreted his comments to mean.  Now he says:

Certain media simply want to keep portraying me as living my life as an opponent to Pope Francis,” he said. “I am not at all. I’ve been serving him in the Apostolic Signatura and in other ways I continue to serve him.” [OK, fair enough]

The Wisconsin-born prelate was responding to comments he made in an interview he gave the Spanish weekly Vida Nueva last week. The article misconstrued him as criticizing the Pope–despite his stressing in the interview that he was not at odds with Francis.

He told the Spanish publication there is a “strong sense” the Church is like a “ship without a helm, whatever the reason for this may be.” But he made it clear in the interview he was not “speaking out” against the Pontiff. He said the Pope is right to call on Catholics to “go out to the peripheries” but added “we cannot go to the peripheries empty-handed.” [He did say that, as my own post linked above makes clear.  But when a cardinal says “there is a strong sense that the Church is like a ship without a helm,” that certainly seems to point to the helmsman, or Holy Pontiff.]

“I wasn’t saying that the Holy Father’s idea is this,” he explained, “but I’ve seen other people using his words to justify a kind of ‘accommodation’ of the faith to the culture which can never be so.” [And so Cardinal Burke is almost daring the Pope to come out and explain his “true” position in clear terms, even if many of us – and I’m sure this include Cardinal Burke – are already quite certain what that position is]

Burke told Breitbart his wish is “to present the Church’s teaching around which there’s been a great deal of confusion.” He pointed to last month’s synod on the family in Rome as partly to blame, and said those who identify with a “so-called reformist agenda” of Pope Francis are now trying “to discredit what I say by attributing it to some personal animosity toward the Holy Father, and that’s not right.” [OK. And this I can agree with, too, Cardinal Burke is not criticizing the Pope, if he is, simply because he doesn’t like him.  He is discrediting bad and destructive ideas, which he should.  But one can still be in opposition to a person without holding a personal animus against them.  So that part seems like a little Vatican gamesmanship going on.]

And furthermore, if a prelate found himself consistently being misquoted by the press, or that the press was misrepresenting his ideas, should he not, then, in prudence and charity, stop giving such interviews, if the interviewers consistently fail to get his message across correctly?  But that has not occurred.  Again, I think this is some politicking for many reasons, it could be a strategy, but it could also simply be that Cardinal Burke, like many of us, constitutionally does not feel comfortable being “at odds” with the Pope.

So all that aside, what of the future, Cardinal Burke?

Talk of possible schism has increased in the Catholic Church after the recent synod appeared to be leading the Church in a more “progressive” direction on moral issues. A controversial document issued by bishops midway through the meeting (which Burke called a “total disaster”) pointed to radical changes in the area of homosexuals, divorce, and remarriage among other things, but the proposals were largely toned down or failed to reach a consensus in the final report.

Questioned about whether there is a genuine risk the Church might split, Burke said if, in the runup to a second synod on the family next October, bishops are seen to move “contrary to the constant teaching and practice of the Church, there is a risk because these are unchanging and unchangeable truths.” He also pointed out that the head of the synod of bishops, Cardinal Lorenzo Baldisseri, has “identified himself very strongly” with Kasper’s thesis and “subscribes to that school.” [And who raised Baldiserri to the cardinalate, and who put him in charge of the Synod? It wasn’t Mickey Mouse.  Could all these appointments and very public demotions just be coincidental?  Or are they part of a direction only one who has the power to make such decisions wants to move the Church in?]

Warning that this battle will continue, he called on Catholics to “speak up and act.”

Oh thank you for saying that, Cardinal Burke. But how, specifically, should we do so?  Send letters to the Vatican?  Burn an effigy of KKK?  Get giant puppets and weirdos on stilts and parade around St. Peter’s square?

Seriously, we could use some direction here!  What is the best way to speak out?

Not that I am terribly sanguine that it will have a great effect.


1. Tamsin - November 7, 2014

I admit to being confused by Burke giving interviews at these media outlets, e.g. Buzzfeed. Burke needs a press secretary. He needs to record each interview. Perhaps a tech-savvy young Catholic could volunteer — I’d chip in to defray expenses to keep Burke out of trouble for a year.

2. Baseballmom - November 7, 2014

It is hard to see what Cdl. Burke is saying, and what he wants faithful Catholics to do. At some point, sooner rather than later, he too needs to speak clearly and precisely on the present state of things in the Church.

3. FranR - November 7, 2014

It is necessary to understand that Cdl Burke is doing/saying what is appropriate to his station in the Church… it is (of necessity) very “polite”, nuanced, and dripping with graciousness. It requires some facility and expertise to read between the lines and perceive the feints and jabs and thrusts he intends. But realize too, our (at least my) station requires something far different of me than does the Cardinal’s require of him.

“Lio” is more appropriate … a “lio” energized by the consistent and open exercise of a faithful life – at my job, my leisure, my home, my parish. A life so blatently and obviously faithful that it disturbs and purturbs those around me … especially the parish priest and my Bishop. A life, in both word and deed, that is so consistent and singly focused that I become the “sword” that I ardently desire this Cardinal to wield in defense of the Faith of the Ages. May God have mercy on me if I (actually, we) neglect this duty, at this hour.

Oremus, that there may be such a vast army of the everyday faithful, ready to engage the battle at the call of whichever faithful Shepherd our Lord and Our Lady annoint at this critical hour. Oremus, always!

4. steve - November 7, 2014

The Faithful are in desperate need of an Archbishop Lefebvre — minus the ordination of bishops without Papal mandate.

We need at least some Cardinals and bishops to proclaim the need to restore Holy Tradition, particularly the Traditional Roman Mass, throughout the Church.

We need Churchmen to declare that the “New Orientation” has failed to renew the Church.

The New Orientation has wrecked the Church.

We need some Cardinals and bishops to declare that over “X” amount of time (years), Rome must sideline the Novus Ordo.

We need some Churchmen, without threatening schism, to declare that they are finished with the New Orientation…that they will attach themselves to Holy Tradition.

Within the episcopate during and following Vatican II, there were many Archbishop Lefebvres in spirit.

But they lacked his nerve (again, his ordination of bishops was a mistake) when it came to resisting the insanity that was/is the New Orientation.

The result is that good Cardinals and bishops gave way to Churchmen who collapsed the Church.

Cardinal Burke’s style…interview, then the walk back…won’t hack it.

5. steve - November 7, 2014


If anything, Cardinal Burke’s station in the Church compels him to implement lio.

Pope Francis has called upon our shepherds to get “dirty” in the field.

6. Rebecca Joan - November 7, 2014

Exactly. It’s their damn job to call Francis out as a heretic, not the laity’s. These so called bishops need to grow a backbone.

7. Michael Jarman - November 7, 2014

I plan to write to the Apostolic Nuncio to the United States, with a copy to my bishop. The Nuncio’s address is:

His Excellency, Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano
Apostolic Nunciature
3339 Massachusetts Ave NW, Washington, D.C. 20008

The “strategy” of those opposed to Christ and His Holy Church is to publish both the interim Relatio and the final Relatio to include vote tallies for the repudiated (i.e. non-Catholic) propositions and then have “the faithful” demand “change.” Well, the actual faithful can equally demand fidelity to our Lord and Savior.

8. steve - November 7, 2014

Rebecca Joan…

I don’t believe that Pope Francis is a heretic.

But it is the job of the laity to “call out” (respectfully) Pope Francis or any prelate in that the laity have the right and duty to make known their orthodox concerns and desires.

That is what Holy Mother Church teaches in regard to the laity.

Pope, Cardinal, bishop, priest, religious, laymen…each is called to uphold and promote orthodoxy.

The laity, for example, have every right to exhort (respectfully) Pope Francis to hold fast to and proclaim Holy Tradition.

Let us also recall that Pope Francis declared that he is open to respectful criticism.

He has exhorted people to express their opinions openly (obviously in kind and loving Christian fashion) to him or around him.

When Pope Francis is in the room, he exhorts people to speak freely.

Great. Now, let us take him up on that.

9. plato24 - November 7, 2014

I think that Cardinal Burke is saying it right…and very specifically. He is calling out the sin. He is not attacking the sinner. That is what we are suppose to do with sin. He is stating the ideas that are wrong and saying what is true about these ideas…It is the proper way to handle it, in my estimation. He is not suppose to say ‘the pope is pushing for this and he is wrong’. Cardinal Burke would be in the wrong of he did it that way. Besides it is not his way and it never has been his way.Just by the fact that he is constantly speaking out, it is obvious to me that he is shaken to the core. But I think he is handling well…and properly. It IS obvious that the Pope Francis wants this and that he believes it is the right way….but he refuses to say it. Instead, Pope Francis speaks out of both sides of his mouth. Nevertheless, he is STILL the pope. There is no need to name names. What is wrong are the ideas being proposed. Cardinal Burke is stating this clearly and giving the Clear explanation of Church Teaching about these ideas. That is what a faithful shepherd is supposed to do. And he is calling us to act. That is what faithful Catholics are supposed to do.
Frankly, this whole affair has the smell of politics to me,not the smell of the sheep. Many of those supporting this ‘pastoral reform’seem to me to be acting more like dirty politicians than princes of the Church with their Alinsky style tactics. Their preplanned agenda has all the earmarks of a’Rules for Radicals’ revolution for change to me.
Cardinal Burke is detailing the doctrinal errors in these proposals,explaining WHY they are in error and giving a clear explantion of Church Teaching on these proposals. He is judging the actions and not the person(s). Anyone can connect the dots. If the shoe fits wear it.
Lastly, I am not interested in any of Pope Francis’ version of ‘God’s suprises’.

10. steve - November 7, 2014

If that is what Pope Francis desires, then Cardinal Burke has the right and duty to “name names”.

When he was wrong, Saint Peter was challenged to his face.

It is the Catholic tradition to name names.

If Pope Francis is determined to replace orthodox teachings with false teachings, then it is the grave duty of orthodox believers to challenge Pope Francis to his face.

That said, Pope Francis has never declared publicly that he is determined to overthrow Catholic teachings.

Pope Francis has declared that he is “a son of the Church”.

In regard to the controversy at hand — the controversy that surrounded the recent Extraordinary Synod — Pope Francis’ public statements have defended and promoted orthodoxy.

We must be careful in regard to speculations and claims that have been floated in regard to Pope Francis.

What Pope Francis is up to supposedly behind the scenes constitutes sheer speculation.

Nobody has produced facts to support the claims that Pope Francis has pushed (behind the scenes) the terrifying pro-sodomy/adultery nonsense (which existed long before Pope Francis’ Pontificate) that has exploded beyond question within the Church during the past few months.

Woody - November 8, 2014

And when the time comes that his sub rosa antics are revealed, it will be too late to do anything about it. And there you will be “Gosh, I thought it was all just speculation!” If it looks, quacks, smells and walks like a duck, it’s a duck.

Baseballmom - November 8, 2014

Said it before will say it again. Burke demoted Cupich promoted. It’s a duck.

11. steve - November 8, 2014

I lived through Pope Blessed Paul VI’s Pontificate.

The upheaval then within the Church was a million times more horrific than anything that has happened during Pope Francis’ Pontificate.

One day it was the TLM, Ecumenical Movement was condemned, traditional fasting and abstinence teachings were in place, Popes wore tiaras and were carried about on sedalias,

The Church then went to sleep, awoke the following morning…and everything changed.

What was done to the Church was shocking…literally tens of millions of Catholics abandoned the Faith.

The Church was shaken to Her core.

Nevertheless, Pope Blessed Paul VI was not a heretic.

Compared to Pope Blessed Paul VI, Pope Francis is not nearly as Church-shattering.

Woody - November 8, 2014

Well, there you have it, Steve. You’ve seen it before, lived through it, and still refuse to acknowledge it could happen again when all the signs point to the same horrific upheaval. You go ahead and hope it won’t happen again. What we are seeing now is the continuation of that bleak night where everything changed in the morning. Yes, what we have now is “daylight savings time” in the Church. We’ve turned the clock back to the 60’s. Wake up, Steve. It’s not a dream.

12. steve - November 8, 2014

Woody, I understand what Pope Francis’ Pontificate is about.

His Pontificate is about the New Orientation.

Doctrines are upheld on paper…the nonsense worsens…the collapse of the Church continues unabated.

Have we forgotten the New Orientation bishops appointed, for example, by Pope Benedict XVI?

Have we forgotten that Pope Benedict XVI declared that the Church commitment to the Novus Ordo, ecumenism and interreligious “dialogue” would continue full-steam-ahead?

Have we forgotten that the Church remained in shambles…that the collapse of the Church continued during his Pontificate?

Have we forgotten that Pope Benedict XVI gave us a voodoo witch doctor who “prayed” to a false god during Asissi IV?…that Pope Benedict VI prayed inside Protestant churches, mosques and synagogues?

Have we forgotten that Pope Benedict XVI had overthrown the ancient Good Friday Prayer for Jews (in the Traditional Rite) as said prayer only served to “wound” Jews?

Sorry, Pope Francis’ New Orientation Pontificate is old hat to me…been there, done that…seen that from Popes Paul VI, John Paul II and Benedict XVI.

To me, their personal holiness wasn’t in question. On paper, they maintained Church doctrine.

But they implemented the New Orientation…attempted to wed faith-weakening novelties to Holy Tradition.

That proposition cannot possibly work.

The New Orientation has wrecked the Church. Regardless, our Popes continue to implement the New Orientation.

As Pope Benedict XVI declared, in vast areas of the world, the Catholic Church faces virtual extinction.

But it’s full-steam-ahead with the New Orientation.

Woody, I know what Pope Francis is doing…he’s doing that which his immediate predecessors had done.

It is what it is.

I understand that the collapse of the Church will continue.

Reality is reality.

13. Woody - November 9, 2014

Good points. Very good points.

14. Gammenon - November 9, 2014

Maybe the faithful will have to resort to St. Robert Bellar
mine when a Pope goes bad. From what I read at Rorate Caeli, I am given the impression that Pope Francis will now go after changing doctrine and not just practice as what happenef in Vatican II.

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