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Father Peter Carota on why we love the Traditional Mass November 13, 2014

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The post on Father Michael Rodriguez’ involuntary sabbatical has attracted a great deal of attention, some of it from individuals who are either new to my blog or who do not share my love of what I consider traditional Catholic piety.  At least, they certainly appeared not to agree by some of the strongly negative opinions that have been given with respect to the Traditional Latin Mass or my preference towards it.

Being the model of charity that I am, however (heh), and in the interests of building bridges, I thought I would share Fr. Peter Carota’s recent recording of a talk he gave extolling the manifold benefits of the TLM and the traditional practice of the Faith.  I’ve never met Father Carota personally but I sure like him.  The video is actually part of a marriage prep class and while it does discuss the Mass it is not focused on it, per se’. It is also pretty long so after the video I content from another of Father’s posts, in which he discusses the apparitions at La Salette and their connection with the collapse of the active practice of the Catholic Faith, especially with regard to its liturgical aspects.  First, the video:

Now Father Carota on Our Lady’s discourse to the children at La Salette (emphasis in original, my comments). I find reading these warnings chilling, this is an obvious prophesy of our own times:

What I’m to say to you will not always be a secret; you can announce it in 1858. Priests, my Son’s ministers, priests, by their evil life, by their irreverences and their impiety in celebrating the holy mysteries, love of money, love of honor and pleasures, priests have become sewers of impurity. Yes, priests call forth vengeance, and vengeance is suspended over their heads. Woe to priests, and to persons consecrated to God, who by their infidelities and their evil life are crucifying my son anew! The sins of persons consecrated to God cry to heaven and call for vengeance, and now here is vengeance at their very doors, for no longer is anyone found to beg mercy and pardon for the people; there are no more generous souls, there is now no one worthy of offering the spotless Victim to the Eternal on the worlds behalf.”

[Father Carota interjects:] In this, you can see the importance of the Latin Mass’ focus on reverence when offering the Holy Mysteries.  The Latin Mass also emphasizes the offering of the Jesus to the Father for the salvation of souls and the world[One of my biggest concerns with the Novus Ordo is not that it cannot be reverently offered, but that it so rarely is, and that the rubrics and even the changed prayers of the Novus Ordo predispose it towards a less reverential offering than the Traditional Mass.  We are dealing with the holiest of holies with the Mass, many regard the Traditional Mass as the pinnacle of Western Civilization, it was, so to say, our best effort.  Why can we no longer give that best effort today, why must we instead see irreverence, closed circles of humanity with backs turned to God, the Blessed Sacrament handed out so casually, all manner of abuses…….I could go on for some time.  You get the point.  Back to Our Lady’s warning:]

God will strike in an unparalleled manner. Woe to the inhabitants of the earth! God will exhaust His anger, and no one will be able to escape so many evils at once. The heads, the leaders of the people of God, have neglected prayer and penance, and the devil has darkened their minds; they have become those wandering stars which the ancient devil will drag with his tail to destruction. God will permit the ancient serpent to sow divisions among rulers, in all societies and in all families; both physical and moral punishments will be suffered. God will abandon men to themselves and will send chastisements one after the other for over 35 years. [Or 135…….]

“Society is on the very eve of most terrible scourges and greatest events; one must expect to be governed by a rod of iron and to drink the chalice of God’s wrath. [And in 1870 the Iron Chancellor, Bismarck, utterly defeated and occupied much of France. The response of the people of Paris was not to beg God’s mercy and turn to penance and prayer, it was to foment a godless communist revolution!]

“In the year 1864 Lucifer, together with a great number of devils, will be loosed from hell; little by little they will abolish the faith, and that even in persons consecrated to God; they will so blind them, that without a special grace, these persons will take on the spirit of these evil angels; a number of religious houses will lose the faith entirely and cause many souls to be damned[And faithful religious will be persecuted.  The collapse in numbers of consecrated religious is the largest seen in centuries, probably ever in the Church’s history.  Religious life has been devastated by the “reforms” of the past 50 years]

“Bad books will abound over the earth, and the spirits of darkness will everywhere spread universal relaxation in everything concerning God’s service: they will have very great power over nature; there will be churches to serve these spirits. People will be transported form one place to another by these evil spirits, and even priests, because they will not have lived by the good spirit of the gospel, which is a spirit of humility, charity and zeal for the glory of God. [sounds prophetic to me]

Civil governments will all have the same objective, which will be to abolish and make every religious principle disappear, to make way for materialism, atheism, spiritism and vices of all kinds.

In the convents the flowers of the Church will putrefy, and the devil will establish himself as king of all hearts. Let those who are at the head of religious communities be on their guard concerning the persons they are to receive, because the devil will use all his malice to introduce into religious orders persons given to sin, for disorders and love of carnal pleasures will be widespread over the whole earth. [How many links could I find in 30 minutes regarding priests and religious given over to perverse disorders of sin?]

I address a pressing appeal to the earth: I call upon the true disciples of the God living and reigning in the heavens; I call upon the true imitators of Christ made man, the one true Savior of men; I call upon my children, my true devotees, those who have given themselves to me so that I may lead them to my Divine Son, those whom I bear as it were in my arms, those who have lived in my spirit; finally, I call upon the Apostles of the Latter Times, the faithful disciples of Jesus Christ who have lived in contempt of the world and of themselves, in poverty and humility, in contempt and silence, in prayer and mortification, in chastity and in union with God, in suffering, and unknown to the world. It is time for them to emerge and come enlighten the earth. Go, show yourselves to be my dear children; I am with you and in you, provided your faith is the light enlightening you in these evil times. May your zeal make your famished for the glory and honor of Jesus Christ. Do battle, children of light, you, the few who see thereby; for the time of times, the end of ends, is at hand.”

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Lord, have mercy on Your Church.  Our Lady, pray for us!  Send us holy priests, and holier bishops and Supreme Pontiffs!  Do not give us the priests and bishops we deserve but those we so desperately need!  Great Saint bishops of the Church, pray for all our Church leaders and for laity that we may be holy and raise up great leaders like you.

Comments

1. James Richardson - November 13, 2014

Would love to know how to communicate with you off-blog about Father Rodriguez. I know and love him, but the story is longer and more complicated than either “side” might wish to admit. The saddest truth is that Satan rejoices as the faithful are robbed of a once saintly priest.

2. steve - November 14, 2014

I pray that God gifts us with tremendous bishops.

For now, I would be happy with a bishop who lacked personal interest in the Traditional Roman Mass, would not work to prevent the expansion of said Mass throughout his diocese.

Just grant me a bishop whose attitude is…”if this or that parish has some folks who desire the TLM, well, okay…have your TLM.”

I think of our Dallas Diocese. There isn’t any question that there are more than enough Catholics in and about Richardson/Plano/Allen/McKinney who would support a Sunday TLM…even an additional TLM parish.

Establish a Sunday TLM or parish near Plano/Allen and said Mass/parish would thrive.

Why would a bishop not be willing to provide his spiritual children with the Holy Traditional Roman Mass?

Catholics who wish to worship God in accord with the holy and ancient Roman liturgical tradition would be blessed, thankful and happy.

Catholics who prefer the Novus Ordo would simply not assist at said Mass or TLM parish.

Everybody, so to speak, would win.

What is the problem with that solution?

Dismas - November 14, 2014

Different religion. Every seeming “concession” on their part is shrewdly calculated. They can no more provide for the long-term success of what was Catholicism before the Great Council than authentic Catholics can abet the success of Scientology.

Different religion. That fact answers a lot of questions.

3. Woody - November 14, 2014

I was told by Fr. Hopka that the bishop does not want competition between the Masses. Think about that word “competition.” Bishop Ferrell doesn’t want NO v. EF. Vernacular v. Latin. So, he gives the diocese Mater Dei where there is only EF. Now he has complied with SP and no one in the diocese need complain. If you want to go to an EF Mass, just go to Mater Dei. Doesn’t it make perfect sense? The good bishop has provided you with the EF Mass. What more do you want?

Dismas - November 14, 2014

Precisely. Shrewdly calculated. Certainly we give thanks to God for Mater Dei, but we cannot allow ourselves to be fooled into thinking that bishops who “allow” authentic Catholicism under situations they can control have done so because they have some sort of affinity for it.

Tantumblogo - November 14, 2014

Absolutely not, and I will repeat the comments of a certain priest of this diocese, who may or may not be disposed to the TLM: “There will never be a TLM offered in this Diocese outside Mater Dei.” Not, there will never be so long as Bishop Farrell is around, or until the older generation of priests dies out……never. I don’t know how carefully considered that comment was, but it’s certainly not something that gives one great confidence for the future.

And note that’s just offering a TLM, not standing up another parish devoted exclusively to the Traditional Mass.

Woody - November 14, 2014

One need only look to the reception of the NO in Latin at St. Marks and how it really made those priests feel about having to accommodate the Latin Mass. Like they had something better to do on Monday nights. In any case, they sabotaged it and were able to get rid of it, to their delight.

Dismas - November 14, 2014

Right. Very few are the dioceses where what you point out here is not the case. These bishops’ hostility toward authentic Catholicism is not some sort of secret. We can be very thankful to God that political concerns force them, in some cases, to offer us Catholicism, but we can set ourselves up for bitter disappointment if we allow ourselves to think that we are not on thin ice, regardless of how healthy our parishes seem to be.

4. steve - November 14, 2014

There will never be another TLM offered in this Diocese…

Other than the Ordinary of the Dallas Diocese, who would have the power to prevent the Traditional Roman Mass from being offered here?

If Bishop Farrell wished to establish an additional TLM (priests have informed me that he won’t…and that he is determined to prevent even the establishment of a Novus Ordo Latin Mass), who could stop him?

Who could prevent a future bishop in Dallas from obeying SP?

Woody - November 14, 2014

It is his kingdom. Only he controls it. He is the pope of Dallas. Although, my guess is that he does whatever the USCCB tells him to do. There are some bishops who do not oppose the TLM. They don’t know it and do not wish to celebrate it but they do not oppose it nor priests who wish to celebrate it. Bishops Rhodes of Fort Wayne-South Bend, IN Diocese is one. It would appear Bishop Olmsted of Phoenix is another based on Fr. Carota.
I don’t know why all bishops don’t embrace the TLM as it is a valid rite. Look at St. John Cantius Parish in Chicago. A church about to fall down due to the weight of pigeon poop in the attic! Those priests come in, offer not only the TLM but also the NO in Latin and the vernacular and the parish is once again vibrant! Heck, look at Mater Dei and how it has increased. How much money does Dallas Diocese loose because of its treatment of the TLM?

5. steve - November 14, 2014

Dismas…

Yes, with some exceptions, great hostility among our bishops and folks who wield power within Chanceries despise Holy Tradition.

But consider the following:

— Sunday Mass attendance within the Dallas Diocese…about 17 percent.

— New York Archdiocese…12 percent (they announced that two weeks ago).

— Archdiocese of Boston…14 percent.

American Dioceses that were once Catholic strongholds have collapsed.

Dallas is filled with illegal aliens who are predominately Catholic (although many abandon the Church each year)…but the Diocese has a substantial Catholic population.

Regardless, Mass attendance continues to plummet everywhere.

I have to believe that the time will arrive when these men will say…”look, we have to yield on the TLM. If that Mass attracts people, particularly young people, then let’s give them the TLM”.

Dismas - November 14, 2014

Dear Steve:

The figures you point out are correct. From there on, for you and for me, it becomes conjecture. My own view is that this will not be the case.

It will not be the case, in my own estimation, because we are talking about two different religions, and they cannot, nor will they, abide authentic Catholicism under any circumstances.

In my own opinion this whole thing is too far gone. For the most part, in my experience with them, these men do not believe in any sort of “judgment”. They tell you this every time they canonize the dead. That is to say, they do not believe in the supernatural in the way Catholics do. Their’s is a humanistic religion. Given this, I think it is hard for them to imagine that God really founded and favored a particular Church. The proposition that God along with Our Blessed Mother would actually intervene at some point to rescue His Church FROM THEM is not even on the radar screen. And I think that that is how Catholicism will be restored.

There is nothing these men abhor other than Catholicism.

There is no hope for our Church among men, and especially among these men. We must militate and we must defend our Church against them, but we will not be the final solution, much less they. The final solution will be supernatural in a way that will astound all of us. Or so I predict.

TG - November 14, 2014

If you like to read fiction, you might enjoy a book titled “The Last Ark”. The author says the same thing you say about a “different religion”. It’s about a future pope and how God cleans the mess.

6. steve - November 14, 2014

Woody…how much money does the Diocese lose due it’s treatment of the TLM.

They must not care as they treat with disdain Catholics who wish to worship God via the Traditional Roman Mass.

Otherwise, wouldn’t the Chancery heed the rightful aspirations of Catholics who favor Holy Tradition.

Consider the following…

Sunday Mass attendance throughout the Diocese stands at only 17 percent…just about that.

That is pathetic. Horrific.

During Holy Days of Obligation that fall during weekdays, Diocesan Mass attendance is about one percent. I heard that statistic cited during a sermon at St. Mark’s parish.

Establishing TLM-only and/or St. John Cantius-like parishes would revive the Church in Dallas and lead to an increase in Sunday Mass attendance.

That, in turn, would add money to the Chacery’s coffers…money that could help poor people and aid the Diocese in various ways.

But does the Chancery, which has little use for the Latin Church’s Holy Liturgical Tradition, need to worry about potential money that they would receive from potential TLMers?

That is, as long as people in droves move from various states and cities into the Dallas area…and as long as Hispanics from Mexico and points south move to the Dallas area (even though Hispanics abandon the Church in alarming numbers)…

…the Diocese will continue to enjoy a vast pool of people from which to obtain money.

Even if just 17 percent of folks from such a vast pool of humanity attend Sunday Mass in the Dallas Diocese, shouldn’t that suffice to keep the Diocese afloat financially?

For now, I guess that the Diocese doesn’t need money from the Faithful who love the Holy TLM.

Sadly, even among a great many Churchmen, money talks.

Therefore, Catholics who wish to worship God via the Holy Traditional Roman Mass don’t matter within the Dallas Diocese.

TLMers’ money, for now, isn’t needed within the Diocese.

Woody - November 14, 2014

And that’s okay by me. I don’t give them any. I send it to other organizations who fully support the Church. Still, it makes you wonder, just from an economic standpoint, why they don’t offer the TLM at other parishes. It certainly can’t hurt the people who would never attend as they will avoid it. And those who do appreciate it, are happy. And happy parishioners give money to their parish.

Dismas - November 14, 2014

Even for money, which these guys really like, they are not about to do anything beyond the bare minimum to provide authentic Catholicism. In non-economic terms, they cannot afford to.

7. steve - November 15, 2014

Woody…

Good point about the reality that offering the TLM at various parishes need not upset anybody as the folks who dislike the TLM would avoid the TLM.

The anti-TLM folks at a given parish wouldn’t care that their parish offers the TLM,

Therefore, it doesn’t make any sense for the Chancery to remain determined to confine the TLM to Mater Dei.

Dismas - November 15, 2014

Yes it does, once you firmly grasp and internalize the fact that these are two different religions that cannot coexist indefinitely. These men are not “making mistakes.” They are simply carrying out a very practical agenda. If, for political reasons, they must temporarily abide Catholic liturgy, then their best option is to confine it and control it. Make sense?

8. steve - November 15, 2014

Dismas…

Is there a point at which Sunday Mass attendance would become so pathetic that the Chancery would have to offer the TLM — a Mass that attracts young people and revives declining parishes?

If I were a bishop, I would establish within my diocese as many TLM-only parishes as possible. That, in turn, would ensure a vibrant diocese.

I wouldn’t neglect Catholics who prefer the Novus Ordo.

Everybody would “win”.

In the meantime, my TLM parishes would ensure a vibrant future for my diocese.

The TLM would, in effect, subsidize my diocese.

Dismas - November 15, 2014

Well, Steve, all I can tell you is that I am convinced that it cannot and will not work like that. I do think they are very interested in money, but step back and take a look at the “mega-churches.” They make a whole lot of money and they are not teaching Catholicism either. So while money is certainly important, I just do not think it comes down to that in the final analysis.

I know I sound like a broken record, but this is just something people need to grasp if they ever want to understand the crisis and move forward toward abetting a solution. These are two different religions.

Yes, if you were a bishop I am sure you would give freedom to the TLM. And just as you say – it would ensure a vibrant diocese. The problem for them is that it would be a vibrant diocese based upon Catholicism.

Remember – lex orandi. lex credendi. You had better remember that because they sure do. They know darn good and well what happens when you give the Truth (Catholicism) free reign. This religion they have adopted (modernism) just simply cannot compete, and they know it. It is their seminaries, religious houses and parishes that are closing down, not the authentic Catholic ones. They may not speak of this, but believe you me, they are acutely aware of it.

Once Catholicism triumphs their little game is over, as it surely will be one day. But they are going to do no more than they absolutely are forced to do to give Catholicism a little breathing room.

Woody - November 15, 2014

I think you are correct. Some where, probably in seminary, they were taught and accepted the “protestant” theology and philosophy of this NO mass. In their hearts they see all that transpired before the 1960’s as something gone terribly wrong. As if the laity just went to Mass and then went out and did nothing christian. So, to see people once again want the TLM, they see it as a dragon, rearing its ugly head once again. In their mind, Jesus was a Billy Graham or a Joel Olsteen. And that’s what makes them so angry with the TLM. Jesus was not a disciplinarian; he was a hippy with long hair and wearing sandles preaching love, man.

9. Fr., John Higgins - November 15, 2014

There is nothing “protestant” about the Novus Ordo Mass.

Woody - November 15, 2014

You make my case, Father.

Dismas - November 15, 2014

Other than the protestants who helped to create it.

A Mom - November 17, 2014

Dear Father, I didn’t think so either until I watched a Novus Ordo Mass, a Lutheran service, and the TLM back to back on You Tube. I then opened a 1962 Missal to compare and see what prayers had been changed or removed in the NO. It was shocking.
God bless you.


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