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Pope Francis speaks to group of protestant “bishops,” evinces “Mere Christianity” November 19, 2014

Posted by Tantumblogo in abdication of duty, disaster, Ecumenism, episcopate, error, foolishness, General Catholic, Papa, sadness, scandals, secularism, self-serving, SOD, the return.

Via Pertinacious Papist – hardly a traditionalist source –  a video of a group of followers of the deceased “Bishop” Tony Palmer meeting with Pope Francis within days of the Synod wrapping up.  All of these individuals represent various protestant sects.

I will forewarn those who do not like critical assessments of the actions of the current Pope, they may not be comfortable with this post.  I internally debated for a long time just posting the video without comment in order not to offend, but I fear that the video is so difficult to watch that the vast majority of readers would not get much of the content, so I decided to provide an assessment of the content. I apologize in advance to the extent that this post troubles anyone.

As I said, the video below is painful to watch, for several reasons, not least of which is the slow manner of speech and the constant interrupts for the translator (and you can argue about how accurate the translation is until the cows come home, I can tell some of the key words, it’s not that far off). Pope Francis says, more or less, all Christians are essentially equal due to our common baptism – even if some protestant sects hold very different views regarding the role of baptism in the economy of salvation (justification by faith alone argues implicitly that baptism is not necessary for salvation, contrary to Our Blessed Lord’s plain revelation, yes I understand there may be exceedingly rare exceptions but water baptism is the normal vehicle for inclusion in the Body of Christ – some protestants argue it is not necessary)- and that pointing out the vast doctrinal differences between the various sects and Churches and the fact that one may risk damnation by absorbing protestant errors, errors denounced constantly for 4 centuries, is doing the work of the devil.  I am not opining, I am simply repeating what Pope Francis says in the video below:

Pope Francis’ declaration regarding an invisible community of baptized believers is diametrically at odds with the statements of Pope Pius XII: Hence they err in a matter of divine truth, who imagine the Church to be invisible, intangible, a something merely “pneumatological” as
they say, by which many Christian communities, though they differ from each other in their profession of faith, are united by an invisible bond.”

Pope Francis says doctrinal differences between the Church and all the separated groups are for theologians to figure out: meanwhile, the great project of ecumenism must move forward.  What does that say for his appreciation of the impact the false doctrines of the sects, decried and opposed for centuries by the Church and Her many Saints, has on the salvation of souls?  Did not Saint Peter say we had to accept the Faith whole and entire, or that we were not within the Church?

I could add more by reminding how at odds Pope Francis’ statements appear to be with the constant belief and practice of the Faith, and how he is at least tacitly attacking the lives of too many great Saints to list by making such a declaration.  Just off the top of my head: Saint John Chrysostom, Saint Augustine, Saint Hilary of Poitiers, Saint Jerome, Saint Teresa of Jesus, Saint Peter Canisius, Saint Thomas Aquinas, Saint Alphonsus Maria de Liguori……all Doctors of the Church……..Saint Vincent of Lerins, Saint Ignatius of Loyola, Saint Justin Martyr, Saint Ignatius of Loyola, Saint Francis Xavier, Pope Saint Pius X…….I could go on for a very long time.

I could also add how Pope Francis frequently only has invective and criticism for Catholics, especially the most faithful Catholics, but seems to have nothing but praise and understanding for protestants, and especially the more pentecostal types of protestants. I know some fear Pope Francis may cause a huge boost in membership for the Society of Saint Pius X, but I fear far more the great windfall this pontificate may mean for the more conservative sects.

Many great popes, like Pope Leo XIII, have proven without a doubt that protestant bodies are not churches but are sects.  Their ecclesiastical bodies are so deficient in so many regards they are not part of the Church of Christ – their ordinations are not valid, they do not confect the Blessed Sacrament if they make the attempt, they have no valid apostolic succession, they are full of errors that lead souls dangerously astray from the Church Christ founded – again, this could be a very extensive list. There was something of a kerfuffle when, after they agreed to ordain women “priests” and tolerated the US Episcopal embrace of sodomite simulation of marriage, Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams was not seated with the Orthodox and other recognized (if schismatic) Churches at the 2011 Assisi ecumenical confab held by Pope Benedict, but was instead seated with the numerous evangelical-type sects.  So even Pope Benedict, who certainly held to post-conciliar views of ecumenism, recognized that simple baptism does not mean an ecclesiastical body makes a Church.

Here are some direct quotes for those who cannot make out the audio (I had little difficulty, I just found it very boring and upsetting):

We are sinning against the will of Christ, because we are looking only at the differences. But we all have the same baptism, and baptism is more important than the differences. We all believe in the Father, in the Son, and in the Holy Spirit. We all have within the Holy Spirit who prays, “now” for us, the spirit who prays in us. [So then having the Blessed Sacrament, or not, makes no difference?  What of John 6?  What of Matt 16:18-20?]

And everyone must know that there is also a father of lies, the father of all divisions, the “anti-Father,” the devil who gets in and divides, divides… Tony talked about this a lot, about this going forward and walking, walking together in what unites us. And that the Lord Jesus with his power may help us so that what divides us may not divide us too much. [And I will believe the sincerity of the protestants towards the ecumenical project when they stop calumniating the Church founded by Jesus Christ and stop going all out to steal away tens of millions from the bosom of the Church]

I don’t know, it’s crazy… Having a treasure and preferring to use imitations of the treasure. The imitations are the differences, what matters is the treasure. [Some might say……many Saints did say……that it is exactly protestantism that is the imitation, while the Church is the treasure.]

There is so much more I could point out.  But I don’t like being in this position any more than some of those who may read this.  This is a tragedy of incomprehensible proportions.

I post this because it is highly relevant to the ongoing revolution in the Church and to address errors put forth by the most influential person in the Church.  I also post this because it highlights the question that has been foremost in my mind for at least a year:  Is Pope Francis glad that I became Catholic?  Would he prefer or recommend – if I still were not – that I not become Catholic?  Did I make a mistake in becoming Catholic?


1. Laurence England - November 19, 2014

Why was it recorded? Why cannot FFI priests get such a warm welcome? I could go on as well…

2. tradycatholic - November 19, 2014

Reblogged this on Traditional Catholic Journal.

3. Louis C. Gasper - November 20, 2014

For what it’s worth — I am a nobody — I am very glad and thank God you became Catholic.

4. Baseballmom - November 20, 2014

A priest friend of mine, dear friend, was an evangelical Protestant. In his first attempt to become Catholic he spoke to a priest (who has since left the priesthood). This priest discouraged him from joining the Church, told him instead to focus on “being the best Christian you can be!” – so yeah, lots of clergy, I am afraid, don’t think conversion is necessary. Thanks be to God, my friend did not give up, and he became not only a Catholic, but a very good priest. He offers the NO very reverently – and taught himself the Tridentine… Offers that when he can.

5. J Rebecca - November 20, 2014

No, you’re in the right place in the RCC. Under Benedict and John Paul II we didn’t have these daily doses of dread and consternation. This papacy has become a waiting game.

Baseballmom - November 20, 2014

Waiting for the next conclave….

6. Michael Jarman - November 20, 2014

I, too, am a nobody. I rejoice daily that you are Catholic — and pretty good at it, too, by all appearances.

7. Elizabeth - November 20, 2014

Thank you for posting this, especially your words. I can’t watch the video. I appreciate your trepidation to write critical words about the Pope but please, the truth must have a light shined on it. Please continue unafraid!

8. steve - November 20, 2014

“I could also add how Pope Francis frequently only has invective and criticism for Catholics, especially the most faithful Catholics, but seems to have nothing but praise and understanding for protestants, and especially the more pentecostal types of protestants.”

Within and without the Church, the above has been noted by many people.

There isn’t any doubt that Pope Francis, for example, has heaped tremendous praise upon Protestants, Eastern Orthodox, Jews, Moslems, communists and atheists.

Conversely, His Holiness has heaped one vicious attack after another upon Catholics.

In effect, Pope Francis has denounced repeatedly what may be called the “Catholic Establishment”.

What Pope Francis has done (and continues daily) is simply adhere to the Ecumenical Movement.

Pope Francis simply places into practice the horrific thinking that is at the root of our Churchmen’s involvement in the Ecumenical Movement.

Recall that in 1931 A.D., then-Cardinal Pacelli (later Pope Venerable Pius XII) noted that around him were Churchmen who wished to smite Holy Mother Church for Her historical past…Churchmen determined to raze the bastions of the Church.

At the time of Vatican II, Father/theologian Hans Urs von Baltharsar (later elevated to Cardinal by Pope Saint John Paul II) floated the idea that the Council should issue an apology for the “sins” against humanity that were committed at the hands of the Church.

During the 1990s, Pope Saint John Paul II announced that in the year 2000 A.D., he would conduct a special ceremony during which he “apologize” for the “wrongdoings” that at the hands of the Church, Catholics had inflicted upon the world.

Simply recall that horrific 2000 A.D. ceremony during which the Pope apologized to Jews, women…he apologized for disunity that the Church had supposedly inflicted upon Christendom…he apologized to this group and that group.

During his Pontificate, Pope Saint John Paul II issued more than 100 “apologizes”…to Protestants, Eastern Orthodox, Moslems, women…on and on.

The big, bad Catholic Church.

Then-Cardinal Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI) was thankful that “Ecumenical theology” (a novelty…unknown throughout the Church’s history) had “discovered” that the Church must acknowledge the supposed role that She had played in history’s schisms.

You see…it’s always the Church’s fault in the minds of Catholic ecumenists.

Always blame the Church.

The manner in which Her Papacy had been exercised…the Traditional Latin Mass…Her Triumphant “arrogance”…Her ancient vestments…Her Papal Tiara…Her Coronation Masses…

…obstacles all to Christian unity that must be placed aside.

As Monsignor Bugnini said, we must purge the Mass (for that matter, the Church) of every possible “obstacle” that keeps non-Catholics from the Church.

That is the root thinking that informs Catholic participation in the Ecumenical Movement.

Water-down, if not eliminate, Catholic practices and symbols.

Conversely, pray and worship inside Eastern Orthodox churches, Protestant churches…conduct “interreligious” activities inside synagogues and mosques…praise non-Catholics and their religions, even atheists, to the hilt.

It is all very simple. Pope Francis practices ecumenism.

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