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Even George Weigel is starting to come around December 30, 2014

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I’ll admit I was mildly surprised when I read that even the usually hyper-montanist George Weigel is publicly expressing grave concern over the direction of this pontificate, (http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/12/all-concerned-catholics-together-in.html?m=1)  and especially the dire matter of the upcoming Synod,  which might be subtitled “vanguard of the revolution. ”

And I appreciate Rotate saying much better what I tried to say a few weeks ago: while we may disagree profoundly with George Weigel or Jeff Mirus or even certain blogging priests at times, who are perhaps less fervent on certain issues or take different emphases from some of us at times,  in the present crisis, quite possibly the most dangerous in history, the Church needs the services of all souls of good will who more or less get it, who oppose the final and permanent installation of the leftist revolution in the Church.  This is not to say we must be BFFs, but perhaps allies of convenience.  Prayer, reflection, and a providential encounter with a persecuted traditional priest (much more on that later) convinced me even more than before that we are present at one of the most defining, critical times in the history of the Church.  We all must vocally and stridently oppose the revolutionaries in the Church with the loudest and clearest voices possible.  Obviously more voices will help.

What difficult times not just we, but the entire world faces.  Lord have mercy on us.

Comments

1. J Rebecca - December 30, 2014

This is unrelated, but I thought you might be interested. St. Jude Catholic Church in Allen (Can we say that, or does it have to be a “Catholic community”?) has now posted a 30.06 sign stating that no guns are allowed on the premises. Apparently the pastor thinks that licensed concealed carrying of weapons is more dangerous than putting a bullseye on his parishioners.

2. Woody - December 30, 2014

How’s he going to know you’re carrying a “concealed” defense mechanism?

Camper - December 31, 2014

Who knows, but if there were a scene and you were caught defending innocents he might refuse you the holy sacrament – or bar you from the parish until you confess. Aren’t leftists wonderful? Besides, I believe this is either state or diocesan law anyways.

J Rebecca - December 31, 2014

No, the state law originally said that concealed weapons were not permitted in places of worship, but was quickly amended that they were allowed unless a 30.06 sign was posted. So if you do carry a licensed concealed weapon on the premises, you can be charged with either a Class A or Class B misdemeanor. The real danger is that these signs let criminals know where to find large groups of unarmed victims.

3. steve - December 31, 2014

“…the usually hyper-montanist George Weigel is publicly expressing grave concern over the direction of this pontificate…”

“…the Church needs the services of all souls of good will who more or less get it, who oppose the final and permanent installation of the leftist revolution in the Church…”
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I wonder whether George Weigel is concerned…and I wonder as to how Pope Francis has advanced the “leftist revolution”…when, for example, on December 23, 2014 A.D., His Holiness exhorted Catholics to examine their souls then proceed to Confession?

During my lifetime ( I go back to the days of Pope Saint John XXIII), Pope Francis has referenced publicly the existences of Satan and Hell more often that any Pope.

On December 26, 2014 A.D., Pope Francis exhorted the world to embrace the Culture of Life.

During that same address, His Holiness referenced the horror of abortion (he has condemned abortion on many occasions) as he denounced the Culture of Death.

On December 23, 2014 A.D., Pope Francis made it clear that the Catholic Church is the one and only Mystical Body of Christ as His Holiness referenced Pope Venerable Pius XII’s teachings on that subject.

Pope Francis has time and again exhorted the Faithful to imitate the Blessed Virgin Mary’s Faith and Holiness.

Pope Francis has time and again upheld the Church’s unchangeable teachings in regard to traditional marriage and family.

Pope Francis has promoted Humanae Vitae.

I wonder as to whether any of the above teachings and exhortations from Pope Francis “concern” George Weigel and/or promote the “leftist agenda”?

Pax.

Frank - December 31, 2014

You forgot to mention that most importantly Pope Francis is issuing an encylical on climate change.

Phillip - December 31, 2014

There are two Francis’s. One who says very pious orthodox things, and the other who calls adulterers on the phone and tells them they can receive communion or who says “who am I to judge?” Check out Vittorio Messoris latest article.

Read Pascendi. One of the hallmarks of the Modernist is that he talks out of both sides of his mouth to make it difficult to pin him down.

Dismas - December 31, 2014

Precisely, Phillip. Thank you so very much for pointing this out. This is Modernism 101. It is why submarines and airplanes can throw off false radar signals to confuse opponents.

Read Pascendi, just as Philip suggests. Then go back and read it again. Outline it. Study it. After that these guys will never confuse you again.

steve - December 31, 2014

The problem is that just about any Pope could have accused of having spoken “out of both sides of his mouth”.

Pope Benedict XVI gave us Summorum Pontificum…but in his Letter to the Bishops that accompanied SP, he declared that the Church would move forward with the Novus Ordo as Her primary Mass.

Pope Benedict XVI lamented the loss of Catholic identity and collapse of the Church…but was committed 100 percent to Novus Ordoism, ecumenism, interreligious dialogue…prayed inside Protestant churches, synagogues and mosques.

Said practices most definitely weaken Catholic identity.

Pope Venerable Pius XII reinforced in many ways Holy Tradition…then gave us radical liturgical reforms, placed Monsignor Bugnini in charge of the liturgical reform, opened the door to Catholic participation in the destructive ecumenical movement…

…promoted to the hilt the United Nations (an anti-Catholic organization)…relaxed fasting practices.

Saint Peter was the ultimate “both-sides-of-the-mouth” Pope.

He declared his love of and loyalty to Jesus…then denied Jesus.

If Pope Francis “talks out of both sides of his mouth”, then he is far from alone as Popes are concerned.

Branch - December 31, 2014

Steve, do you believe there is really no distinction between Pope Francis and, say, Pope Benedict? If so, then how would you account for the reaction (like from many here on this blog) towards Pope Francis? Why, if Pope Francis is just another Pope speaking out of both sides of his mouth, has he drawn such a strong reaction, sometimes strong disapproval? Were Catholics just not aware before that this happened, seemingly, all the time? Or is there actually something different now with this Pope that has raised a red flag?

steve - December 31, 2014

Branch, in terms of Faith and morals, I don’t detect any difference among Pontificates that I have experienced.

(I date to the time of Pope Saint John XXIII.)

If such differences existed, then the gates of hell had prevailed against the Church.

The reality is that Pope Venerable Pius XII had set the Church on a course of major change.

Said Pope gave us radical liturgical reforms as he had tapped Monsignor Bugnini to lead the way in that regard.

Pope Venerable Pius XII opened the door to Catholic participation in the Ecumenical Movement…threw in with the United Nations…relaxed fasting regulations…opened the door to liturgical vernacularization…

Despite his solid personal holiness and greatness in many ways, Pope Venerable Pius XII paved the way for the inevitable transformation of the Church…for the manner in which the Church appears today.

In specific, as you asked, Pope Francis vs. Pope Benedict XVI…

I don’t sense much difference between their respective Pontificates.

Each is, to me, a holy man…far holier than I.

Pope Benedict XVI promoted the same Faith and morals as Pope Francis.

Pope Benedict XVI, as is Pope Francis, promoted the Novus Ordo, ecumenism, interreligious “dialogue”…and additional novelties.

Pope Benedict XVI prayed in Protestant churches, synagogues and mosques.

He engaged in solid and dreadful episcopal appointments…akin to Pope Francis.

Pope Benedict XVI acknowledged that the Church was rife with “rot” and that Catholicism faced virtual extinction in vast areas of the world.

The dreadful collapse of the Church proceeded during Pope Benedict XVI’s reign.

That has been the case with Pope Francis.

I pray that Pope Francis will reverse that trend.

Some recent statements from him have given me some hope in that regard.

Overall, the reigns of Popes Benedict XVI and Francis are pretty much akin to me.

Branch - January 2, 2015

Steve, but what of the second part of the question. You see really no difference between Benedict and Francis. Ok. So then, how would you account for the reaction (like from many here on this blog) towards Pope Francis? Why was there no “Benedict effect”? Why was President Obama not on 60 Minutes praising Pope Benedict and citing him as something of an ideological ally as he was with Francis this past Sunday? How is it that Francis has stirred such strong reactions, in either direction, by both Catholics and the world besides?

Even if I grant what you wrote about Benedict and past popes as true, it seems that there is a perception out there that things are now, and will continue to be, radically different. So where does that perception comes from? Is it all an illusion, media spin? Or, if there is smoke, there is also fire.

Baseballmom - January 1, 2015

Amen Phillip. You nailed it.

Camper - December 31, 2014

He is demonizing property in an age almost certain to fall into global marxism. In the words of a commenter I read somewhere else, he is a wicked man. One of the disappointing aspects of Benedict XVI was that he didn’t condemn economic leftists more strongly, though maybe I just didn’t pay enough attention to his encyclicals. The overwhelming impression Francis gives is that traditionalists and tradition are bad or even evil and now it is alright to act however one’s heart directs.

Dismas - December 31, 2014

In order to not lose perspective, we should never forget that Benedict XVI, for every positive thing he did for authentic Catholicism, had excellent modernist credentials. That is a statement of fact.

Now for statements of opinion, it is the view of many, including myself, that Benedict was far more conflicted about all of this than Francis. I share the view that Francis is a committed ideologue. I suspect (and could be way off base) that after serving as a modernist periti during the Second Vatican Council and throughout his “career” in the Church, Benedict had strong second thoughts. I doubt that Francis has any second thoughts.

I’m not buying any explanation that “all popes speak with forked tongue” and that Francis is no exception. No pope has been perfect, but we have had a run of popes who have promoted agendas that cannot be reconciled with what the Church has constantly believed and taught. Francis is nothing more than the latest iteration.

4. steve - December 31, 2014

Pope Francis is not difficult to “pin down”…at least in regard to the following:

— The Catholic Church is the one and only Mystical Body of Christ.

On December 23, 2014 A.D., during his address to the Curia, Pope Francis noted explicitly Pope Venerable Pius XII’s teaching in that regard.

— Pro-Culture of Life.

On December 26, 2014 A.D., Pope Francis, as he had done on several occasions, promoted forcefully the Culture of Life…referenced the horror of abortion.

— Promotes Confession.

On December 23, 2014 A.D., as he had done numerous times, Pope Francis exhorted each Catholic (he included himself) to examine his conscience, then proceed to Confession.

— Promotes Traditional Marriage and family.

In front of thousands of pilgrims at Rome, Pope Francis, just two months ago, issued a forceful promotion of Traditional Catholic teachings in regard to marriage and family.

— Promotes Devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary.

Pope Francis has exhorted Catholics repeatedly to imitate the Blessed Virgin Mary’s Faith and Holiness.

— Promotes the Holy Family.

Pope Francis has exhorted each Catholic family to uphold the Holy Family as the ultimate role family role model.

— Satan and Hell.

Pope Francis has noted repeatedly that Satan and Hell exist.

Now, it what way(s) is Pope Francis difficult to “pin down”?

Dismas - December 31, 2014

Does anyone else have the time or inclination to compile the list of contradictory statements and actions?

Camper - December 31, 2014

If he did, I just wonder if it wouldn’t be a best seller.

5. steve - December 31, 2014

Dismas.

I used to buy into the claim that “liberal” Father Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI) had strong second thoughts (by the end of the 1960s) in regard to the liberal Church revolution that he had fostered, particularly during Vatican II.

I supposed that he had some change of opinion in that regard.

However, he never wavered in his promotion of the Novus Ordo.

He declared that the Church was on an irreversible course in regard to the promotion of ecumenism, interreligious “dialogue”, and various aspects of the New Orientation.

Even when he issued Summorum Pontificum, he declared that the (Latin) Church was committed to the Novus Ordo as Her primary Mass.

He also labeled Summorum Pontificum as an act of mere “tolerance” toward those few (speaking relatively) Catholics attached to the TLM.

Conservative Catholics (not that the following includes you) who claimed and cheered that Pope Benedict XVI was determined to return the Church “to the 1950s” were mistaken.

Even if not as “liberal” (whatever that really means) as he had been during the 1960s, the bottom line is that Pope Benedict XVI never wavered in his commitment to Novus Ordoism.

6. steve - December 31, 2014

Dismas…”Does anyone else have the time or inclination to compile the list of contradictory statements and actions?”

Beginning at least with Pope Blessed Paul VI (I don’t know as to how Pope John Paul I’s Pontificate would have played out), the “list” in question is as short and simple as follows:

— Our Popes have been holy men (my opinion).

— Now, for facts: Our Popes have upheld the Faith.

— Our Popes have upheld Catholic morals.

— Our Popes have been committed to at least various aspects of the New Orientation.

In other words, along with the good, our Popes have promoted mind-boggling novelties…such as, Communion in the hand, altar girls, EMs, ecumenism, interreligious “dialogue”, prayer and worship with non-Catholics, prayers inside Protestant churches, synagogues and mosques.

Our Popes have attempted a marriage between Holy Tradition and novelties…and said marriage has failed and will always fail.

Again, in my view, our recent Popes have been pretty much interchangeable in that regard.

7. steve - December 31, 2014

About all that I can pray and hope for in a Pope is that he is a holy man.

During my lifetime (which dates to Pope Saint John XXIII), I believe that our Popes have made pastoral mistakes.

I imagine that they believed otherwise.

Regardless, I believe that I have witnessed one Pope after another who has been a holy man.

They have been far holier than I.

I believe that Pope Francis is a holy and peaceful man. He is holier and more peaceful than I.

In that regard, I would do well to imitate him.

Pope Francis, my disagreements with certain policies and actions of yours do not alter my respect and love for you as my holy and peaceful brother in Christ.

Let us all stand with our Holy Father, Pope Francis.

8. steve - December 31, 2014

Camper…”The overwhelming impression Francis gives is that traditionalists and tradition are bad or even evil…”

If that is valid, then why did Pope Francis affirm Summorum Pontificum publicly?

If your commebt is valid, then why, On February 19, 2014 A.D., did the Rorate Caeli blog report the following?:

“During the sermon, bishop Rifan told us about his last visit to the Holy Father (Pope Francis) and that the pope thinks that the Traditional Latin Mass is a treasure for the Church and that his only fear is that the Holy Mass in the Extraordinary Form could be “instrumentalized”, and bishop Rifan answered His Holiness that he is doing everything that he could to ensure that this is not going to happen and to promote the Extraordinary Form as a treasure for the entire universal Church, to which he humbly belongs.?

If your comment is valid, then why did Pope Francis approve the Holy See’s latest extension of peace and goodwill to the Society of Saint Pius X?

Pope Francis made obvious his determination to work with the Society as each party in question is committed clearly to the obtainment of peace with each other.

9. John - December 31, 2014

Pope Francis has caused great scandal. He talks too much and says foolish things. I am sure many popes have said foolish things but they did not say them to media in the back of planes or, if they did, soon learned it was a mistake. This pope is truly ignorant about economics and environmental studies. Fine with me but why then write foolish things about both. On and on it goes. I believe that his love of Mary will ultimately wake him up to great damage he has done.

Camper - December 31, 2014

A-MEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Baseballmom - January 1, 2015

Amen! Let us pray that his Marian devotion is genuine…

10. steve - January 1, 2015

Dismas…”Does anyone else have the time or inclination to compile the list of contradictory statements and actions?”

I hope that we also compile the list of Pope Francis’ numerous exhortations in favor of Catholic teachings.

I have only touched upon His Holiness’ many Traditional exhortations addressed to the Church and world.

P.S. Here is one that I had failed to list earlier…Pope Francis, the “leftist”, declared without hesitation that it is impossible for women to become Catholic priests.

gc5341 - January 1, 2015

What bothers me is that Pope Francis seems to make a lot of confusing statements. Who thrives on confusion but the devil? I cannot help but recall Our Lady’s message in one apparition that those who should speak out during these times are not. Our prelates are silent and desire too much to fit into the modern world.

St. Pius X defended the Church against modernist heresies. Our Lady said in one of her apparitions that the Church does not have fashions. Since Paul VI the Church has been hell bent on making changes and modernizing to fit in with the world.

The Church is off course and God will correct this course one day. We must completely trust Jesus and Mary. Attend Mass, receive communion and pray your rosary daily.

LaGallina - January 1, 2015

Steve, it’s no wonder you like Francis so well. You make almost as many contradictory statements as he does. Based on your numerous and lengthy comments on this and other posts, I have yet to figure out if you are a Traditionalist or a modernist. (I guess if there is any doubt, my question is already answered.)

But enough about you.

As for Francis the First:
Anybody who is so overwhelmingly popular with the mainstream media, celebrities, atheists, and non-Catholics is not upholding the Magesterium, because Catholic doctrine is NOT popular with the world. You can defend him all day long, but any atheist on the street will tell you that the pope is absolutely fabulous because of his willingness to change the antiquated ideologies of an out-dated institution.

He is lauded and applauded every single day by people who absolutely loathe the Catholic Church. And as long as the world holds him in such high esteem, I will not trust a word that he says. At this point, my faith is based completely on those “antiquated ideologies” of a certain “out-dated institution” and not on the daily barrage of commentary coming from F1.

Elizabeth - January 2, 2015

Hear Hear.

11. steve - January 1, 2015

John…”This pope is truly ignorant about economics…”

Really?

More than a few Traditional Catholics have recognized that Pope Francis’ statements in regard to economics are in line with Traditional Catholic teachings.

Example: Rorate Caeli, often very critical of Pope Francis, declared the following in regard to the Pope’s statements on economics:

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/06/truth-be-told-pope-francis-more-often.html

“Very few indeed have been making the case, a case that is true, that the positions stated by Pope Francis on economic and social matters are much closer to the Traditional Catholic position on the economy and the State than not.

“Indeed, it can be said unhesitatingly that this is one area in which the Pope will find mostly allies in Traditional Catholics.

“They know by heart, also as victims of injustice (including within the Church), that the doctrine of the Church regarding people, society and economic relations, and individuals faced with government, is one which privileges “justice” as its foundational aspect.”

Pax.

12. steve - January 1, 2015

— “Steve, it’s no wonder you like Francis so well.”

Like? No, I love Pope Francis. He is my/our Holy Father. I disagree with his attachment to Novus Ordoism (you know, New Mass, EMs, altar girls, wreckovated churches, Ecumenical Movement, interreligious “dialogue”…the various novelties that have, in my opinion, shipwrecked the Church).

But he is a son of the Church…has upheld the Catholic Faith and morals…believes that Novus Ordoism is the way to…and his is my spiritual Father and brother in Christ.

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— “You make almost as many contradictory statements as he does.”

I do? I reject your claim. But you may believe as you wish.

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— “Based on your numerous and lengthy comments on this and other posts, I have yet to figure out if you are a Traditionalist or a modernist. (I guess if there is any doubt, my question is already answered.)”

That is fine. At any rate, I am a sinner. I am a Catholic. I favor the Traditional Roman Mass and Holy Tradition. I believe that Novus Ordoism…that is, the liturgical revolution, EMs, altar girls, Communion in the hand, Ecumenism, interreligious “dialogue”, and so forth…has inflicted tremendous damage upon Holy Mother Church.

But you are free to continue to wonder as to whether I am a Modernist.

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— But enough about you.

Good. You should never have made any of this about me. Let us leave personal things aside.

Pax.

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— “As for Francis the First:

Anybody who is so overwhelmingly popular with the mainstream media, celebrities, atheists, and non-Catholics is not upholding the Magesterium, because Catholic doctrine is NOT popular with the world.”

Okay. Are you familiar with the monumental favor and popularity that Pope Venerable Pius XII enjoyed with the world?

Are you familiar with the manner in which he was praised repeated and throughout his Pontificate (1939 A.D. to 1958 A.D.) by secularists, secular news media outlets, numerous Protestants, Jews…?

You must not be familiar with the monumental praise that the world heaped upon Pope Venerable Pius XII the day that His Holiness had fallen asleep in the Lord.

13. steve - January 1, 2015

— You can defend him all day long, but any atheist on the street will tell you that the pope is absolutely fabulous because of his willingness to change the antiquated ideologies of an out-dated institution.”
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I will defend Pope Francis (at least via this blog if I am granted permission to post here. I recognize that I am a mere visitor here and could be banished from here at Tantumblogo’s pleasure).

I “defend” Pope Francis in that while I disagree with his attachment to Novus Ordoism, I feel compelled as a Catholic to note the many times that Pope Francis has upheld and promoted the Holy Faith.

That said, did atheists find him “absolutely fabulous” on December 23, 2014 A.D., when he, having referenced Pope Venerable Pius XII’s Encyclical, made it clear that the Catholic Church is the one and only true Mystical Body of Christ?

How did atheists react on December 26, 2014 A.D., when Pope Francis referenced the horror of abortion?

Did Pope Francis win points with the world when he joined the March For Life in Rome?

…or when he labeled abortion an “abominable crime” (quoted Vatican II)?

…or the numerous times that he has exhorted the Faithful and world to imitate the Blessed Virgin Mary’s faith and morals?

…or when Pope Francis upheld publicly and powerfully the Church’s teachings upon traditional Catholic marriage and family?

…or the many times that Pope Francis exhorted Catholics and the world to look upon the Holy Family as the true model of authentic family life?

…or when Pope Francis declared that the Catholic Church will never ordain women to the priesthood?

…or on December 23, 2014 A.D., when Pope Francis, as he had done scores of times, exhorted Catholics to examine their consciences then go to Confession?

…or the countless times that Pope Francis declared that Satan and Hell exist?

Camper - January 2, 2015

You can’t deny that this Pope has caused scandals aplenty, starting with “Who am I to judge?” His papacy has been a circus. Yes, he has defended tradition some. The overall tone, however, is a terrible scandal _and is designed to make trads and those with property look bad._ America will become marxist if the nearly overwhelming current trends continue. In fact, Americans of all types should try to emigrate, and I suggest Australia. Instead of being a rock defending property, HH is pandering to the envious rabble.

c matt - January 2, 2015

made it clear that the Catholic Church is the one and only true Mystical Body of Christ?

And has made it abundantly clear that no one need join it? It is typical modernist – and not even well disguised. On one page say something completely orthodox, and then completely undermine it on the next (to paraphrase a certain Pontiff Past). As for “against abortion,” the minute he declares any supporters of abortion ineligible for communion and personally withholds it from them and unequivocally instructs all other clergy to do likewise, I will believe him. I know JP II and BXVI did not go that far either. So much the worse for them.

14. steve - January 2, 2015

LaGallina said the following about me:

“Based on your numerous and lengthy comments on this and other posts, I have yet to figure out if you are a Traditionalist or a modernist. (I guess if there is any doubt, my question is already answered.)”

LaGallina, is Raymond Cardinal Burke, for example, a “modernist”?

When he governed the Archdiocese of Saint Louis, did he instruct his priests to offer TLMs only…or did he continue to support the Novus Ordo Mass?

Did his priests and he distribute Holy Communion in the hand?

Did Cardinal Burke offer each Mass ad orientem?

Did Masses in Saint Louis feature altar girls?

Was Pope Benedict XVI a “modernist”? After all, he supported and offered the Novus Ordo Mass.

Pope Benedict XVI favored inculturation in regard to liturgy. Pope Benedict XVI blessed a group of altar girls.

Was Pope Venerable Pius XII a “modernist”? After all, instituted radical liturgical reforms and opened the door to Catholic participation in the Ecumenical Movement.

Pope Venerable Pius XII modernized Biblical studies and fasting regulations.

Pope Venerable Pius XII threw the Holy See’s support behind the United Nations.

Pope Venerable Pius XII placed Monsignor Bugnini in charge of the liturgical reform.

Pope Venerable Pius XII permitted liturgical “experimentations”, particularly in regard to vernacularization.

Was Pope Saint John Paul II…Novus Ordo supporter, kissed the Koran, Assisi interreligious events, endless ecumenical events…a modernist?

15. steve - January 2, 2015

LaGallina,

Other than the SSPX bishops and Bishop Rifan (although has he concelbrated at Novus Ordo Masses?) please name the bishops who are attached 100 percent to the Traditional Roman Mass.

Do you belong to the Dallas Diocese? If so, is Bishop Farrell a “modernist”.

Is your bishop attached 100 percent to the Traditional Roman Mass? Or is he a “modernist”?

Does each priest within your diocese offer the TLM exclusively?

In your opinion, are Popes, Cardinals, bishops and priests who are (or weren’t) not 100 percent attached to the TLM modernists?

Thank you.

16. steve - January 2, 2015

Catholics news web sites reported Pope Francis’ remarks today (January 1, 2015 A.D.).

Pope Francis offered “forceful” comments that urged Catholics to devote themselves strongly to Holy Mary, Mother of God.

During his homily today, Pope Francis requested that the Faithful present stand, face a sacred image of the Blessed Virgin Mary, then proclaim three times, “Mary, Holy Mother of God”.

Pope Francis also today again identified the Catholic Church as the One True Church and exhorted the Faithful to remain loyal to the Church.

Pope Francis offered beautiful, powerful and traditional Catholic teachings today.

Pax.

LaGallina - January 2, 2015

Steve, you have a lot of free time, haven’t you?

But all I have to say is this: it only takes one heresy to make a heretic. I’m sure Martin Luther had some lovely things to say once in a while as well.

17. Woody - January 2, 2015

Steve, you can list all the “good” items that Pope Francis says. But if he says one thing that encourages mortal sin, does all the “good” items make him a good Catholic Pope?

18. steve - January 2, 2015

Camper…”You can’t deny that this Pope has caused scandals aplenty, starting with “Who am I to judge?” ”

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Have you read the transcription of that which Pope Francis actually said?

I have.

The undeniable fact is that one news media outlet (and countless Catholics) after another misrepresented that which Pope Francis had said…as well as the important context of his statement.

A reporter asked Pope Francis about Monsignor Ricca.

The reporter in question also asked about the alleged existence of homosexual “lobbies” that exist (supposedly) within The Vatican.

Those are two very different questions…a distinction that news media outlets refused to report as they twisted Pope Francis’ words.

Are you aware that the key part of Pope Francis’ “Who am I to judge” comment was based upon the fact that Pope Francis had framed his statement within the context of that which the Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches about homosexuality and sin?

“Who am I to judge” is based upon the Church’s traditional teaching that if a person has sinned, then has confessed his sin(s) to God, then has attempted to “sin no more” and exhibited goodwill, then “Who am I to judge?”

You are aware that the above is the ancient and unchanging teaching of Holy Mother Church?

To reinforce…Pope Francis, during his “Who am I to judge” remark, referenced the Catechism of the Catholic Church’s Traditional teachings in regard to homosexuality and the Holy Sacrament of Penance.

c matt - January 2, 2015

a distinction that news media outlets refused to report as they twisted Pope Francis’ words.

Twisted a whopping 0.1 degrees. By the way, where are all the forceful corrections of this twisting emanating from the Holy Father himself? I didn’t think so.

19. steve - January 2, 2015

Father John Zuhlsdorf has issued comments critical of certain portions of interviews and pastoral ways in regard to Pope Francis.

However, in regard to the Pope’s “Who am I to judge” remark, Father Zuhlsdorf defended the Pope’s remark as…

1. Having been misrepresented by countless news media outlets and individuals.

2. In perfect conformity with the Church’s traditional teachings in regard to homosexuality and the Holy Sacrament of Penance.

Here is Father Zuhlsdorf’s commentary in question:

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“Who am I to judge?”, thrown in your face? Don’t let them get away with it!

Mention the Pope’s interview “on the airplane” and we all know immediately what phrase is going to pop up. The rafters are still rattling.

“Who am I to judge?”

What did the Pope really say?

Remember the context: he was asked about a priest, Msgr. Ricca, who was into some nasty stuff while on diplomatic assignment in Uruguay, and his appointment to I.O.R. (“the Vatican Bank”) and about a “gay lobby” of people who work in the Vatican.

Francis wasn’t talking about all homosexuals everywhere.

Pope Francis said…”There’s a lot of talk about the gay lobby, but I’ve never seen it on the Vatican ID card.

“When I meet a gay person, I have to distinguish between their being gay and being part of a lobby. If they accept the Lord and have goodwill, who am I to judge them? They shouldn’t be marginalized. The tendency is not the problem … they’re our brothers.”

If they “accept the Lord”, and “have goodwill”… pretty clearly meaning, “if they are trying to live a good Christian life”, which involves continency and chastity, then I can’t point a finger at them and say they are evil, etc.

“Who am I to judge?”, depends on what went before in the same sentence. It does not mean, “Anyone can do anything and we don’t have a right to make a moral judgment.”

It is good to see this from different angles, because that phrase “Who am I to judge?”, is being hijacked by the ignorant and the malicious alike.

When you hear it, red flags should wave in your head.

When Jesus protected the women taken in adultery from being stoned to death (John 8:1-11), he said, “Neither will I condemn thee. Go, and now sin no more.”

c matt - January 2, 2015

“have goodwill”… pretty clearly meaning, …

Pretty clearly meaning nothing, or anything. Instead of saying “having goodwill,” why not say “and sin no more” or have repented of their ways” or any number of things?

20. steve - January 2, 2015

Woody…”Steve, you can list all the “good” items that Pope Francis says. But if he says one thing that encourages mortal sin, does all the “good” items make him a good Catholic Pope?”

Woody, Pope Francis has never encouraged mortal sin.

Please let us understand that we are free as Catholics to direct respectful criticisms at our Churchmen.

Pope Francis has reiterated that he is open to critical comments directed at him.

In my opinion, he has made pastoral mistakes. What Pope has not made such mistakes?

But please, Woody, His Holiness has never encouraged mortal sin.

The opposite is true as Pope Francis has countless times encouraged each of us (he always has included himself) to examine our conscience then go to Confession.

He reiterated that as recently as December 23, 2014 A.D.

Pax, Woody.

Woody - January 2, 2015

I did not say he did. Carefully read the question. IF he encourages others to commit mortal sin, does all his good statements still make him a good Catholic pope?

21. steve - January 2, 2015

LaGallina…”Steve, you have a lot of free time, haven’t you? But all I have to say is this: it only takes one heresy to make a heretic. I’m sure Martin Luther had some lovely things to say once in a while as well.”

Dear LaGallina,

You have taken another dig at me. Sniping at me is not the purpose of Tantumblogo’s fine blog. Let us not waste his time with such nonsense.

Taking digs at a person is also uncharitable. As Catholics, we such avoid such an unholy practice. Said practice is also an unproductive use of one’s time.

Let us stick to adult things.

You have failed to answer my recent questions directed to you.

Modernism is a heresy. If Pope Francis is a “Modernist”, then he a heretic. Correct?

LaGallina, are Popes, Cardinals, bishops and priests who do not offer the TLM exclusively “Modernists?”

Was Pope Benedict XVI a “Modernist” as he offered the Novus Ordo, approved of altar girls, Communion in the hand, Ecumenism, interreligious “dialogue”, Assisi event…

…Pope Benedict XVI prayed in Protestant churches a Synagogue and Mosque.

Same with Pope Saint John Paul II.

Pope Venerable Pius XII placed Monsignor in charge of the liturgical reform.

Pope Venerable Pius XII instituted radical liturgical reforms, overthrew the ancient teachings that had prevented Catholics from having prayed with non-Catholics…

…he overthrew the teachings that banned Catholic participation in the Ecumenical Movement…he overthrew teachings in regard to fasting…

…he permitted radical liturgical experimentation such as the vernacularization of the Mass…

…he threw the Holy See’s support 100 percent behind the United Nations.

Was Pope Venerable Pius XII a modernist/heretic?

Is Cardinal Burke a “modernist” as he has offered the Novus Ordo and permitted his priests to do so…to offer Communion in the hand, Mass versus populum, altar girls…

LaGallina, please answer the above questions rather than snipe at me.

Based upon your definition of “modernism”, the above questions are chilling.

LaGallina - January 3, 2015

Yes, they are indeed chilling.

22. steve - January 2, 2015

c matt…”Twisted a whopping 0.1 degrees. By the way, where are all the forceful corrections of this twisting emanating from the Holy Father himself? I didn’t think so.”

1. Countless news media outlets and individuals, particularly “liberal” and “Traditional” Catholics, as each group is determined to spin Pope Francis’ words to fit their agenda, most definitely twisted Pope Francis’ “Who am I to judge” remark.

2. It is undeniable that in reference to his “Who am I to judge” remark”, Pope Francis noted specifically the Catechism of the Catholic Church’s traditional teachings on homosexuality and the Holy Sacrament of Penance.

3. It is undeniable that Pope Francis condemned homosexual “lobbies” who are determined to reject the Church’s teachings in regard to homosexuality.

4. It is undeniable that Pope Francis had made it clear that his “Who am I to judge” remark pertained to any individual who had confessed his sin(s), sought forgiveness from God, and strived to live in “goodwill” with God.

Please read the actual transcription of Pope Francis’ answer to the journalist who had asked him two different questions…one about Monsignor Ricca and one about homosexual “lobbies”.

In regard to “forceful corrections” from Pope Francis…

Are you aware that Pope Francis last month attacked the news media for having misrepresented his teachings?

Pope Francis last month exhorted Catholics to ignore the news media spin on his teachings and remarks.

Pope Francis also some time ago labeled as “offensive” the news media spin that his is a radical Pope…the news media spin that had pitted him against, for example, Pope Benedict XVI.

Pope Francis has declared himseld a loyal “son of the Church” who is determined to uphold the Catholic Faith.

If you wish to accept the news media spin in regard to Pope Francis, then be prepared to believe the deliberate misinterpretations and outright lies that this world wishes you to believe about our Holy Father.

Conversely, let us heed Pope Francis’ recent words…do not pay attention to the news media spin and nonsense in regard to his Pontificate.

Pax.

23. steve - January 2, 2015

Woody…”I did not say he did. Carefully read the question. IF he encourages others to commit mortal sin, does all his good statements still make him a good Catholic pope?”

Woody, I apologize if I misunderstood your meaning.

I wish to be certain as to your meaning.

We agree that Pope Francis has not encouraged anybody to commit mortal sin. Correct?

Thank you.

Pax.

Woody - January 3, 2015

I do not believe you have any problem with the meaning of the question. It is the answer that bothers you.

steve - January 3, 2015

The answer doesn’t bother me.

Pope Francis has preached holiness repeatedly.

He has exhorted us to embrace the Holy Sacrament of Penance as well as Marian devotions, the Holy Family as the role model of authentic family life and marriage…he has lived and preached the Culture of Life daily.

Pax.

Woody - January 3, 2015

Still waiting for your answer.

24. Camper - January 2, 2015

Call me a cheat but I’m going to ignore Steve’s argument about Who am I to judge? HH has still persecuted the FFI. I think that ends the discussion. The Vatican isn’t like the USG – HH could fire Braz de Aviz and has not. HH has also said dozens of little comments that are totally inappropriate about which only a journalist could effectively argue. He’s demonized conservatives. He’s called them neopalagians.

And if Burke allowed altar girls, then shame on him, despite the good he has done.

25. Richard - January 2, 2015

Getting back to George Weigel’s article, I am glad that it was pointed out that 61% today are either single or divorced, and that 17% are either married civilly or are playing house.

I know in the past 20 years, the church has been more diligent on marriage preparation (I have talked to people who married in the 60’s and 70’s who received very little marriage prep), but one thing I have found in some experiences with “older singles ministry” is that many who come are divorced, and some (some, not all) have valid annulments. It seems like for these “older singles”, their marriage prep was somewhat backwards, and it saddens me to see that some couples (some, not all) were given the green light to marry when someone (the individual, a friend, a parent, a relative, or even clergy) should have said “you are not ready” or “stop.” I remember someone going through the annulment process saying, “I wish my ex-wife and I would have discussed many of these issues before walking down the aisle.”

I know some of the engaged encounter weekends address the problem of cohabitation, and I do know married couples who regretted playing house before marriage. Good priests also emphasize these things, and good priests can spot some “red flags”.

Personally, I broke off an engagement years ago, and while it was tough I’m glad I did it. I also know people who called off weddings even after sending invitations out, and even though there was some heartbreak and humiliation, years later they were glad the right decision was made.

I do know that the rate of never marrieds is higher today in the United States than it has been in the past. The average age now for a first time marriage for a man is 30, and for a woman I believe is 27. (For those who go to law school or med school, many do not get married until around 35, give or take a few years). Many are afraid to get married, because of what has happened over the past 40 years. I am pleased that when I meet younger Catholics in the Church, they seem more engaged in their faith and more willing to practice than they were in the 80’s and 90’s, and that gives me hope for our future to challenge the culture of death.

26. Elizabeth - January 3, 2015

The commenter “Steve” cruises the Catholic web blogs looking for those critical of the Pope and then offers up his arguments and “corrections” to us morons. Take heed.

27. steve - January 3, 2015

Elizabeth, peace and good health be with you and your family.

Why did you concoct a statement about me that you knew that you knew that you could not verify?

That isn’t the way that a Christian should act.

If you must know, other than Father John Zuhlsdorf’s blog, this blog and two or three additional Catholic blogs to which this blog has linked are the only Catholic blogs that I read.

Tantumblogo’s blog is the only blog, Catholic or otherwise, to which I post.

I don’t “correct”…and I won’t use the word that you then employed as I don’t use that word…anybody.

I don’t attack people here…as you did to me.

Aware that I am a mere guest on this blog, I appreciate the opportunity to discuss issues (issues important to Catholics) with my brothers and sisters in Christ.

I don’t engage in ad hominem attacks.

If anything, as I am a nobody, who am I to conduct myself in the arrogant fashion that you ascribed falsely to me.

Thank you.

Pax.

28. steve - January 3, 2015

Camper…”Call me a cheat but I’m going to ignore Steve’s argument about Who am I to judge? HH has still persecuted the FFI. I think that ends the discussion.”
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Okay. So be it. But you have mixed two issues.

Pope Francis’ action in regard to the FFI is one thing…and certainly debatable.

In regard to “Who am I to judge”…

The undeniable reality, as the transcription of the press conference in question proves, is that Pope Francis was 100 percent in line with Holy Mother Church’s teachings in regard to homosexuality and Penance.

Pope Francis stated 100 percent that if a person sinned, then confessed his sin(s) to God, exhibited goodwill in the reformation of his life (“go and sin no more”), then “Who am I to judge”.

During his answer to the reporters, Pope Francis even referenced the Catechism of the Catholic Church as he made it clear that his answer was based upon the ancient teachings of the Church in regard to sin (homosexuality in this case) and Penance.

Pope Francis’ answer in question also included his condemnation of homosexual “lobbies”, which he made clear were sinful as they worked against Holy Mother Church.

Again, “Who am I to judge” was expressed by Pope Francis in regard to an individual who had sinned, confessed his sin, received God’s forgiveness, then lived his life in a state of goodwill (“go and sin no more”) with God.

A person sins…confess his sin to God…amends his life (“go and sin no more”)…lives in goodwill with God.

Is that not 100 percent Traditional Catholic teaching?

Those are the undeniable facts in regard to “Who am I to judge”…facts proved by the press conference transcription…

…facts that news media outlets refused to report.

Camper - January 3, 2015

Yes, but he has created impressions that he has failed to dispel. Even if it is only the media to blame for “Who am I to judge?” HH is to blame for not talking about sin and the last four things a lot more. Specifically because the media has twisted (if indeed you’re correct) his words, now it is obviously his obligation to go well out of his way to dispel misconceptions, including those about conservatives whose moralizing he doesn’t like. He even needs to apologize for having dawdled on this. This includes his attempts to demonize property. For this he’s earned my personal enmity.

He has clearly also pushed Cdl Kasper’s thesis. He encouraged the USA to stop shunning Castro. He talked to Obama. Shame on HH.

Pope Benedict was not a good Pope indeed; modernist, ecumenicalist, Novus Ordoist, etc. He talked to Castro. It is obvious from his prayers that he thinks he is very holy when it should be obvious that he is not.
I’m sorry you’ve been the victim of personal attacks here but I really think you don’t have an argument at all.

29. steve - January 3, 2015

Camper…”HH has still persecuted the FFI. I think that ends the discussion.”

I know how things read/sound in print. Therefore, please note that the following is not asked in sarcastic/nasty fashion:

Do you have all the behind-the-scenes information in regard to the Rome-FFI situation?

I know that I don’t.

Do you recall (I believe last march) that Rorate Caeli blog had broken the “exclusive” story and “gave injustice”…the “persecution”…that Bishop Olson of Fort Worth had unleashed supposedly against the TLM and Fisher-More College?

The Traditional Catholic blogosphere followed Rorate Caeli’s lead and went berserk against the supposed TLM-hating Bishop Olson.

Tantumblogo said…wait a minute…let’s wait for the revelation of the facts before we trash Bishop Olson.

In turn, Tantumblogo was trashed by more than few Traditionalists for not having marched in lockstep with the Traditional Catholic blogosphere’s spin on Bishop Olson/TLM/Fisher-More College.

Tantumblogo proved correct and the Traditional Catholic blogosphere’s “infallible” Bishop-Olson-persecutes-Traditional-Catholics narrative proved false.

I followed Tantumblogo’s approach to the Bishop-Olson-persecutes-Traditional-Catholics narrative and learned a good lesson from that.

Therefore, I will wait to judge the Pope Francis/FFI situation when the behind-the-scenes facts are brought to the surface.

30. steve - January 4, 2015

— Camper…”Yes, but he has created impressions that he has failed to dispel.”

Pope Francis has condemned the news media for having misrepresented his statements and actions.

Pope Francis last month exhorted Catholics to reject the news media spin of his Pontificate.

Pope Francis criticized and rejected the news media narrative that he is a radical Pope determined to overthrow the Church via the casting aside of doctrine.

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— Camper…”Even if it is only the media to blame for “Who am I to judge?” HH is to blame for not talking about sin and the last four things a lot more.”

Pope Francis has referenced sin countless times. His Holiness has exhorted us endlessly to embrace holiness.

Has a week gone by during which Pope Francis has not warned us that Satan and Hell exist?…and that Satan is determined to plunge us into hell.

On December 23, 2014 A.D., Pope Francis again exhorted Catholics (including he) to go to Confession.

On January 1, 2015 A.D., Pope Francis exhorted us to make as our own the Blessed Virgin Mary’s Faith and holiness.

Pope Francis convoked a major penitential service at Rome during which he set the example for us when he went to Confession publicly.

Camper, time and again Pope Francis has called us to embrace the Culture of Life.

Pax.

31. steve - January 4, 2015

— Camper…”Specifically because the media has twisted (if indeed you’re correct) his words, now it is obviously his obligation to go well out of his way to dispel misconceptions…”

He has.

He has urged the Faithful to reject the news media spin on his words and Pontificate.

He has criticized the news media for having misrepresented his statements and actions.

Pope Benedict XVI was trashed endlessly by the news media.

Day after day, the news media presented “smoking guns” that “proved” supposedly that Pope Benedict XVI/Cardinal Ratzinger had covered for priests who had abused children.

The News Media directed every imaginable falsehood against Pope Benedict XVI.

Pope Benedict XVI remained silent countless times…he refused to play the game desired by the news media.

Pope Benedict XVI allowed his holiness and peacefulness and love of God to speak volumes for him.

A Pope would have to spend hours each day responding to the news media nonsense…Popes are too busy for such nonsense.

Here is how Pope Francis “responded” to news media-generated nonsense.

The news media insisted, for example, that Pope Francis had “softened” the Church’s teachings on abortion.

Pope Francis has time and against condemned abortion…the latest in major fashion on December 26, 2014 A.D.

Heed that which Pope Francis declared last month…that is, don’t pay attention to the news media spin in regard to his Pontificate.

Pax.

32. steve - January 4, 2015

Camper…”He encouraged the USA to stop shunning Castro. He talked to Obama. Shame on HH.”

Camper, please don’t take the following as a nasty remark as it is serious and respectful:

Are you serious about your above remarks?

Thank you,

Pax.


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