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It is not “gossip” to have concerns over the Synod April 24, 2015

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So says Christopher Ferrara in the video below.  Certainly he is known as a most outspoken traditional Catholic, but what he says is neither traditional nor liberal, neo-Catholic nor orthodox.  It is simply the truth.  It is not a gossip to express concern over public events!  It is not gossip to have concern over the direction of the Church.  It is also not gossip to look at public statements that are gravely concerning and wonder what they mean, especially since so many of them seem to point to radical changes to the Church’s perennial practice and thus, inevitably, her belief – just as Fr. Rosica said:

7:00 – 8:20 is to me the key.

I was reading Fr. Carota yesterday, and he said the following:

Good traditional Catholic news.  No, the pope has not converted.  Let us keep praying for that miracle.

Father Carota is no extremist.  He is a regular diocesan priest.  He certainly has great affinity for the Traditional Mass and the Faith as it was practiced and proclaimed for many centuries, but he is also very far from being a sede vacantist or in any way “irregular.”  And yet he, among many others, sees this pope as needing conversion.  Is that not significant?

I know some may not be comfortable with this post or Ferrara’s analysis.  But I do not think it can be simply dismissed on that basis.  Yes Pope Francis certainly does make orthodox statements on a daily basis, but it is not those statements that give concern or scandal. It is his forming of this Synod, his direction of the first portion of it including the production of the mid-term Relatio and its release even though it had been seen by not a single synodal bishop nor approved by the body at all (and was in fact rejected, or failed to receive sufficient positive votes), and it is his constant very leading statements on this subject, such as that addressed above, which cause grave concern, confusion, and even scandal.

We can pull the wool over our own eyes and simply look away, or we can, in great charity not just for this Pope but for the entire Petrine office and, even more, the entire bi-millennial Church, point out the truth as we see it.  It is certainly easier to pretend all is well and that, if there are problems, they are caused by subordinates for some reason allowed to run amok, but that is not in consequence with the facts as they present themselves.

So, I will continue to speak out and bring things like this to the fore, even while I pray, like Fr. Carota, for Pope Francis to be the leader the Church desperately needs, rather than the one we deserve.

Comments

1. c matt - April 24, 2015

Like they say, the opposite of love is not hate, but indifference. If we just ignore the synod and what is happening wrt the Church, that sounds pretty indifferent to me.

2. kimzef2015 - April 24, 2015

Concerns over the synod? Ha! No concerns anymore.

Because of this pontificate, I have done a ton of reading and investigating about Francis and all that has happened since Vat 2. and I have read Vat 2 as well. I remain a music director in a conservative N. O. Parish, because I need the money. But I secretly sneak off to a sede chapel occasionally. Yes there is an FSSP chapel and an SSPX chapel within an hour, but what’s the point? FSSP accepts Vat 2 and SSPX accept the pope but choose to ignore him. Seems schizophrenic to me.

I am a hyocrite–I know for attendinn. a N. O. parish on Sunday and being a secret sede during the week. God forgive for not having tge courage to leave. But I have 2 kids in college and can’t afford to quit. I use a lot of pre Vat 2 music and I donate TLM lit to the library. I even donated Cekada’s Work of Human Hands.

My husband knows that if I die unexpectedly or prematurely, a sizable donation should go to the sede chapel who by the way recently featured St James the Moorslayer on the parish bulletin, How wonderfully bold and politically incorrect!!

Sorry—I’m using your blog like my personal diary. After my conversion in 2003 ,I spoke regularly at N.O. Parishes about my conversion to the Church in part due to the ministry of Project Rachel. I was even a guest on EWTN’s Life on the Rock (April 2004) with my conversion/ abortion story.
I hope Mother Angeluca is senile and doesn’t have a clue as to what’s going on in the Church these days.

I almost lost my faith. Sedevacantism
Is the only thing that makes sense to me anymore.

kimzef2015 - April 24, 2015

Vat 2 says that Muslims worship the same God as we do and therefore can have salvation. (The V2 passage is quoted verbatim in the newest Catechism). If you accept Vat2, then surely you can accept that the same hope of salvation can be granted to sede Catholics.

3. Margaret Costello - April 24, 2015

kimzef- I understand the strange place you are in. We live in that diabolical disorientation that Chris F. in the video spoke of. But the sede position goes against what Our Lord has said, that He would never leave us. And it opens so many cans of worms with ordinations and valid/licit sacraments that cause chaos, and Our Lord is not a Lord of chaos. The SSPX have been fighting Rome for decades. You’re right, most times they are not frontal attacks against the particular Pope, but they do fight manfully. Bishop Fellay has had some strong words against what is happening in Rome. I think their approach is more patient stealth, inviting conservative prelates to visit and thus learn the true faith. We’ve had doozy Popes in the past, even heretical ones. But it’s not up to us per St. Robert Bellermine to make the determination whether the See is vacant or not. Only high authority within the Church can do that. We just need to be patient and suffer our cross, offering up our pains in reparation for our sins and the whole world. Find a SSPX chapel. I think you’ll find a true home there:+) God bless~

kimzef2015 - April 24, 2015

Thank you Margret, I will consider your kind words. When I was considering Catholicism, (was raised S. Baptist) I read a book about Blessed Margaret of Castello. I loved it and even composed a little piano piece in her tribute. There is a an old movie from the 80’s about her you can access on Youtube. . The blind actress who played her is currently in a commercial for the blind on mainstream TV.

Baseballmom - April 24, 2015

I love Blessed Margaret…. I often wonder why she is not yet a saint… I guess her cause has been put on the back burner?

LaGallina - April 27, 2015

What is the name of the movie?

Marietta - April 25, 2015

Kim,
You’ll have to make a choice sooner or later.
Do you want a legit Mass with bastard music? Or
Do you want a bastard Mass with legit music?
I don’t think you can stay fence-sitting for long, since you seem to be an honest person. Sooner or later, you’ll have to make a decision.
I will be praying for you.

4. Saying It As We See It | Mundabor's Blog - April 25, 2015

[…] beautiful video from Christopher Ferrara (that I have from Veneremus Cernui) points out to another willfully confusing statement of Francis: that we should pray for the Synod. […]

5. steve - April 25, 2015

Let us pay attention to Pope Francis’ Wednesday General Audiences.

His Holiness has defended and promoted to the hilt the Church’s unchanging teachings in regard to marriage and family.

His General Audiences have made it clear that via the Synod on the Family, Pope Francis will defend and promote the Church’s teachings in question.

Please read this past Wednesday’s General Audience text…it’s very uplifting.

Here is a link to the English-language texts of Pope Francis’ recent General Audiences:

http://www.zenit.org/en/sections/general-audience

Pax.

Steve

6. Steve - April 25, 2015

Here is the outcome of the Synod — guaranteed.

Pope Francis will uphold the Catholic Faith via the Synod.

Factions within the Church will then spin the Synod to suit their tastes…but will be forced to acknowledge that the Synod upheld the Faith.

Traditionalists will whine…”Well, umm, yeah, okay, the Faith was upheld but…but the Pope didn’t speak in Latin. The Synod didn’t mention the SSPX. My cat got into some leftover Easter candy and is sick.”

Liberals/Modernists will whine…”What’s the use? Pope Francis is just another old, celibate male who won’t overthrow the Church. Yeah, the Synod spoke about “inclusion”, but what’s the use. Same old teachings.”

Neo-cons…”Ha-ha. We told liberals that at the end of the day, Pope Francis would uphold the Faith. Ha-ha. We told Traditionalists that at the end of the day, Pope Francis would uphold the Faith.”

“Mainstream” (liberal) news media…”Synod’s Final Report Suggests Shift in Tone on Gay, Divorced/remarried Catholics”.

“The Synod’s use of certain inclusive language suggested a shift in tone on the Church’s pastoral approaches to gay and divorced/remarried Catholics.

“Father Otto Flowersinhishair of the Order of Fathers Who Remain Entrenched in the 1960s, told the Associated Press that “some of the inclusive language used in the final report signals an important shift in tone among the bishops.”

Father Flowersinhishair continued that “this is big, man. Really big. Like dude, this is really big”.

When pressed as to how this is really big, Father Flowersinhishair acknowledged that “well, actually, man, the Synod didn’t like actually change any Church teaching. But like, in a groovy way, it’s still like really big.”

Father Flowersinhishair then added, “Hey, dude, wanna join me this afternoon at a Vietnam War protest?”

Sister Radicalla Prochoice of the Sisters Who Haven’t Generated A Vocation Since The Days of President Johnson…that is, President Andrew Johnson, 1865-1869, said to the Associated Press that “Pope Francis and his celibate male friends failed us again. Nothing in the document changed the teachings of the Church.

“So, they used some inclusive language. So what? It is still the same old Church. I have to go. Literally. My religious order just folded.”

Pax.

Steve

kimzef2015 - April 25, 2015

As far as I’m concerned he is a public heretic and an antipope. But he is primarily a clever politician who will vacillate to keep the neo-con Pollyannas happy.

He is like a sexually and physically abusive father who suddenly announces how much he loves and cherishes his children. Bullshiite.

7. DJR - April 25, 2015

“6. Steve – April 25, 2015 . Here is the outcome of the Synod — guaranteed. Pope Francis will uphold the Catholic Faith via the Synod.”

It has never been a question of changing the Catholic FAITH at the upcoming synod, as Catholics know that that can never happen. Even Cardinal Kasper says that Catholic teaching cannot change.

The question is whether the Catholic PRACTICE will be changed, such that it would effectively destroy the Faith among some people.

No pope has the authority to change the Faith, and neither does a pope have the authority to change the Practice in regard to allowing divorced and remarried people who do not have valid marriages to receive Holy Communion.

Changing the practice contradicts Sacred Scripture, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and the teaching of Saint Pope John Paul II.

8. steve - April 26, 2015

DJR…”It has never been a question of changing the Catholic FAITH at the upcoming synod, as Catholics know that that can never happen. Even Cardinal Kasper says that Catholic teaching cannot change.

“The question is whether the Catholic PRACTICE will be changed, such that it would effectively destroy the Faith among some people.”

There are Traditionalists who have said that it is about changing the Faith. They are convinced that Pope Francis is a heretic and will, in cahoots with supposed heretical Cardinals and bishops, change the Faith.

To those Traditionalists, I would urge them to remain calm.

Pope Francis has spoken time and again in orthodox fashion in his defense and promotion of marriage and the family.

Pax.

Steve

9. steve - April 26, 2015

kimzef2015…”As far as I’m concerned he is a public heretic and an antipope. But he is primarily a clever politician who will vacillate to keep the neo-con Pollyannas happy.”

Pope Francis is a heretic and antipope?

In regard to his declarations upon marriage and family, Pope Francis has always upheld the Faith.

He has never flip-flopped on those issues.

Pax.

Steve

10. DJR - April 26, 2015

“There are Traditionalists who have said that it is about changing the Faith.”

And the reason they say that is because changing the practice, although not directly changing the Faith, effectively changes it indirectly. And as Cardinal Sarah says, detaching the Teaching from the Practice is a form of heresy.

No one has stated that the present pope has not made orthodox statements in defense of the family. However, one can make orthodox statements in defense of the family and at the same time countenance practices that are contrary to the teaching of the Church.

Priests from the pope’s former archdiocese have publicly stated that, while the ordinary of Buenos Aires, the pope (as ordinary) permitted people living in irregular unions to receive Holy Communion, and it has never been denied by the pope. There’s no reason to believe those priests are lying. What motive would they have to do so?

I don’t know whether there are “Traditionalists” who need to remain calm, but, speaking for myself, I realize that whatever the pope does on this matter won’t change the truth. If he doesn’t change the practice, he’s correct. If he does, he’s not, and I won’t follow him in that regard. I will oppose it… publicly… and urge other Catholics to do the same. Just like Cardinal Burke, the Polish bishops, Bishop Schneider, and others.

11. steve - April 26, 2015

“Priests from the pope’s former archdiocese have publicly stated that, while the ordinary of Buenos Aires, the pope (as ordinary) permitted people living in irregular unions to receive Holy Communion, and it has never been denied by the pope. There’s no reason to believe those priests are lying. What motive would they have to do so?”

That contradicts the book, On Heaven And Earth, co-authored by then-Cardinal Bergoglio.

I have read multiple reports on said book. Each report stated that Cardinal Bergoglio refused to administer Holy Communion to divorced/remarried Catholics.

As to Pope Francis having never denied this or that…he has exhorted Catholics not to pay attention to things written about him. He knows that he’s been misrepresented.

Following audiences and meetings with him, we have had people claim that Pope Francis said this, said that…he hates the TLM, he told divorced/remarried Catholics that they may receive Holy Communion…1,001 claims.

If he so desired, a Pope could spend literally all his waking hours deny claims written/said about him.

The “mainstream” news media almost daily had broken “smoking gun” reports that had “proved” supposedly that Cardinal Ratzinger-Pope Benedict XVI had aided and abetted priests who had molested children.

I recall having read several such stories in The Dallas Morning News.

Daily in the “Traditional” Catholic Blogosphere are claims that Pope Francis did this, said that…is a heretic, antipope, Satanist, drunkard, drug addict and sexual deviant.

Have you read Mundabor’s rants and claims against Pope Francis?

I just read an article about an hour ago by a priest who documented several declarations by Pope Francis that reiterated that divorced/remarried Catholics are not permitted to received Holy Communion.

I also read tonight the words of an Archbishop who knows Pope Francis well. The Archbishop in question knew Cardinal Bergoglio from their time in Argentina.

The Archbishop in question said that Cardinal Bergoglio was a close friend of Pope Saint John Paul II and held fast to said Pope’s teachings on family and marriage, including the teaching that barred divorced/remarried Catholics from the reception of Holy Communion.

Pax.

Steve

12. kimzef2015 - April 26, 2015

Here is Cardinal Sara’s admonition to Francis and company:

“The idea that would consist in placing the Magisterium in a nice box by detaching it from pastoral practice — which could evolve according to the circumstances, fads, and passions — is a form of heresy, a dangerous schizophrenic pathology. I affirm solemnly that the Church of Africa will firmly oppose every rebellion against the teaching of Christ and the Magisterium.”

13. DJR - April 26, 2015

“That contradicts the book, On Heaven And Earth, co-authored by then-Cardinal Bergoglio.”

Contrary to what you may have read regarding the book “On Heaven and Earth,” nowhere does it state that the pope, while cardinal in Buenos Aires, refused Holy Communion to divorced and remarried Catholics.

What the then cardinal stated, using the example of a Catholic who does not pay a just wage but presents himself for Holy Communion, was: “In certain situations, I do not give communion myself; I stay back and I let the ministers give it because I do not want those people to come to me for the photo op. One could deny communion to a public sinner who has not repented, but it is very difficult to check such things.” On Heaven and Earth, Section 7, pg. 64.

I would suggest reading the actual book itself rather than reading reports on what the book states.

In any event, not distributing Holy Communion to adulterers and proabortionists is one thing; allowing the priests under you to do it, is a separate and distinct thing.

The priests in Buenos Aires gave Holy Communion to people in irregular marital situations, and they have stated that the pope, when ordinary there, permitted it. They have made such statements publicly, and there is no reason to insinuate that they are liars.

The Aparecida Document of 2007 does contain the statement that divorced and remarried Catholics cannot receive Holy Communion, and the present pope was partially responsible for that document. However, it also contains the statement that proabortion politicians may not receive Holy Communion either, and that prohibition is almost universally ignored by members of the episcopate.

Saying something is true, while refusing to enforce it, isn’t very helpful to souls. Canon 915 comes to mind.

There is no evidence whatsoever that the present pope was “a close friend of Pope Saint John Paul II.” When the present pope was elected, the overwhelming majority of Catholics had never heard of him. If he were “a close friend” of JPII, who reigned for nearly three decades, the world would have known who he is, like, say, then Cardinal Ratzinger, Cardinal Dziwicz, Cardinal Sapieha, or Cardinal Wyszinski.

Those people were “close friends” of JPII; Cardinal Bergoglio was not.

We shall have to wait and see what happens at the synod and thereafter. It is undeniable, however, that prominent orthodox prelates do not share your confidence in the outcome, and these prelates were eyewitnesses to the events. Neither you nor I were there.

14. steve - April 26, 2015

Dear DJR,

The following excerpts appeared in the National Catholic Register on May 2, 2013 A.D.:

by CARL BUNDERSON/CNA/EWTN NEWS

The Holy Father explains in his new book that although divorced-and-remarried Catholics cannot receive Communion, they can still integrate into the life of the Church.

DENVER — A recently translated book by Pope Francis exhibits a call for Catholics who have been divorced and are remarried to be made welcome in parishes, in the hope that they can remedy their situations.

“Catholic doctrine reminds its divorced members who have remarried that they are not excommunicated — even though they live in a situation on the margin of what indissolubility of marriage and the sacrament of marriage require of them — and they are asked to integrate into the parish life,” he says in his newly translated book On Heaven and Earth.

The Pope’s belief that remarried persons should “integrate into the parish life” is unsurprising to Alejandro Bermudez, who recently translated the book into English.

Bermudez, who is executive director of Catholic News Agency and Latin-America correspondent for the Register, explained that such individuals are “just in a condition that does not allow them to approach to receive holy Communion.”

“The most important thing to understand is that he is a very close follower of Pope John Paul,” Bermudez told Catholic News Agency.

*********************“He was a friend of John Paul II, and he is an intellectual and pastoral follower of John Paul II in his teachings, in a very particular and personal manner,” he explained.

Pax,

Steve

15. DJR - April 27, 2015

“The Holy Father explains in his new book that although divorced-and-remarried Catholics cannot receive Communion, they can still integrate into the life of the Church.”

That statement is not part of the book, nor is it found there; it’s merely a statement by the writer of the article.

“’Catholic doctrine reminds its divorced members who have remarried that they are not excommunicated — even though they live in a situation on the margin of what indissolubility of marriage and the sacrament of marriage require of them — and they are asked to integrate into the parish life,’ he says in his newly translated book On Heaven and Earth.”

And that says absolutely nothing about prohibiting divorced and remarried Catholics from receiving Holy Communion.

Nowhere in that book does the pope state that he prohibited such Catholics from receiving Holy Communion while ordinary of Buenos Aires. I have read the pertinent sections of the book.

I suggest you read the book, paying particular attention to sections 7 (starts on page 54), 15 (starts on page 110), and 16 (starts on page 113).

“He was a friend of John Paul II…” That statement is not from the pope but from Bermudez.

What knowledge does Bermudez have of their alleged friendship?

Your prior post said “close friend.” There is no evidence that the two were “close friends.” If you have it, please produce it. A statement by some correspondent in Latin America has no evidentiary value unless he can demonstrate the truth of what he says.

My statements stand. Nowhere in the book does the pope state that divorced and remarried Catholics were prohibited by him, while cardinal, from receiving Holy Communion, nor is there any evidence he was a “close friend” (your words) of Pope John Pau II.

He was “a friend” as much as any cardinal is “a friend” of a pope.

16. steve - April 27, 2015

Where is the evidence that then-Cardinal Bergoglio overthrew Holy Mother Church’s teachings in regard to the Church’s refusal to administer Holy Communion to divorced/remarried Catholics?

Pax.

Steve

17. steve - April 27, 2015

“There is no evidence whatsoever that the present pope was “a close friend of Pope Saint John Paul II.” When the present pope was elected, the overwhelming majority of Catholics had never heard of him. If he were “a close friend” of JPII, who reigned for nearly three decades, the world would have known who he is, like, say, then Cardinal Ratzinger, Cardinal Dziwicz, Cardinal Sapieha, or Cardinal Wyszinski.”

Do you really believe that the “world” knew Cardinals Dziwicz, Sapieha, and Wyszinski?

The world can even pronounce their names. It always seems that you’ve made a joke in having claimed that the world had know said Cardinals.

I knew plenty of Catholics who could not have told you a thing about Cardinal Ratzinger.

As to Pope Saint John Paul II and now-Pope Francis:

It was through Cardinal Quarracino that Pope Saint John Paul II first knew of Father Bergoglio.

It was Pope Saint John Paul II who employed his authority to rescue Father Bergoglio from his (Father Bergoglio’s) exile imposed by the Jesuits.

In 1992 A.D., having acquainted himself with Father Bergoglio. Pope Saint John Paul II elevated Father Bergoglio to the rank of Auxiliary Bishop.

— 1997 A.D., Coadjutor Archbishop of Buenos Aires.

— 2001 A.D., Cardinal.

From obscurity to Cardinal, thanks to Pope Saint John Paul II.
====================================================

In 1998 A.D., Bishop Bergoglio was tapped to accompany Pope Saint John Paul II on the Pope’s historic and very important visit to Cuba.

Bishop Bergoglio spent all five days of said visit with Pope Saint John Paul II.

1998 A.D., Vatican officials requested that Bishop Bergoglio write the definitive book on said visit.

How many Catholics are aware that Bishop Bergoglio had been tapped to spend five days with Pope Saint John Paul II?

How many Catholics are aware that at the request of Rome, Bishop Bergoglio had penned the book entitled “Dialogues Between Pope John Paul II and Fidel Castro”?

My understand is that in said book, Bishop Bergoglio never mentioned his key role in having accompanied for five days Pope Saint John Paul II to Cuba.

That is how humble our Pope Francis is.

Perhaps that is why the “world” had not known him…but Pope Saint John Paul II knew him.

Close friends.

=================================================

By the way, what do you make of the one reporter after another that the 2005 A.D. Conclave had come down to Cardinal Ratzinger and Cardinal Bergoglio?

For a world who had heard of Cardinal Bergoglio, the Cardinals knew him…as did the news media who, in 2005 A.D., reported on his prominence during the Conclave.

Pax.

Steve

kimzef2015 - April 27, 2015

Steve you must get in touch with Cardinals Sara and Burke and numerous other priests and prelates to reassure them that they have nothing to be anxious about. They are clearly uninformed despite their proximity to all things Vaticano.

Elizabeth - April 27, 2015

Bingo. Also Bishop Athanasius Schneider. And Father Brian Harrison.

18. c matt - April 27, 2015

Saying something is true, while refusing to enforce it, isn’t very helpful to souls.

Reminds me of that parable about two sons – not the prodigal, the other parable. The dad asks the first son to do something, and he says “Right away”, but never ends up doing it. The dad asks the second son and he says “No way” but then later ends up doing it. Which son did his father’s bidding?

19. c matt - April 27, 2015

I knew plenty of Catholics who could not have told you a thing about Cardinal Ratzinger.

True – I also knew an even greater number who could not have told you a thing about Catholicism – and still can’t. No question the vast majority of Catholics are ill-informed about our religious leaders as well as our religion.

TG - April 29, 2015

Thanks for the chuckle.

20. Observer - April 27, 2015

Game, set, and match to DJR and kimzef2015.
The Synod of the Family is indicative of where the movers and shakers want the Church to go. The Cultural Marxists set their sights on destroying Christian morality a long time ago. They achieved limited success within the Anglican / Episcopalian churches following the 1930 Lambeth Conference. But the Catholic Church stood as an immoveable rock in their path. The Second Vatican Council went some ways to solving that little problem.
The actions and utterances of Pope Francis point to his being a leftist, and pretty crazy one at that. So his election has done us a big favor, because the intellectual camouflage is off and we can, or should, now see where the train is headed, and we don’t want to go along for the ride.

21. LaGallina - April 27, 2015

Steve,

You have spent many hours and thousands of words in the comment box at this blog defending Pope Francis. No matter what ridiculous thing Francis says, you try like crazy to defend it. But God is not a God of confusion, and Francis has done nothing but sow confusion. Catholic truths are clear. Francis is anything but clear.

Defending this papacy might make you feel like a “loyal son of the Church” but it only hurts the Church. When Elton John, Barak Obama and Patti Smith are fans of the pope, you know we’ve got a serious problem. If they were feeling called to repent and convert, that would be great. But Francis makes them feel comfortable wallowing in sin.

We need more Catholics like Archbishop Lefebvre who say what needs to be said despite the damage it does to their careers and reputations — for the sake of the Church. Just imagine if more priests, bishops, and laymen had stood up for the true Mass! We would not be in this mess.

There is nothing more difficult or more painful for a Catholic than to have to be critical of (or even reject) the pope. But this pope is not taking tending the souls in his care. He is encouraging them to live in sin! We must pray for the conversion of Pope Francis the First.

22. steve - April 28, 2015

LaGallina,

I believe that Pope Francis has made some prudential decisions and/or imprudent statements. I expressed respectfully on this blog my opinions on those matters.

Example: When the Extraordinary Synod last October released its relatio (on a Monday, I believe), tremendous controversy exploded within and without the Church in regard to certain statements in the relatio.

It wasn’t until the close of said meetings, I believe on a Sunday, that Pope Francis had addressed the controversy in question.

I imagine that in Tantumblogo’s archives are my respectful yet critical comments in regard to Pope Francis’ decision to have remained silent during the Synod.

I, along with countless Catholics, had pled with Pope Francis to speak to the controversy in question. I was upset that Pope Francis had refused to issue a calming word…until several days later.

Pope Francis’ philosophy at the Extraordinary Synod (and overall) was to remain silent…allow “frank” opinions to flow…you don’t like something, then let’s get it at into the open. That is all fine and dandy.

But when massive controversy flows from a Church-released document, and claims worldwide are that the Church has “changed Her teaching”, the Vicar of Christ must act and speak immediately to calm the waters.

His Holiness did so during his final address at the Extraordinary Synod…but much damage had been unleashed by that time.

I reacted negatively to Pope Francis’ unfortunate breed-like-rabbits remark that he had uttered during a press conference. In fairness, he had realized seconds later that his remark was imprudent.

He attempted immediately and during the days that followed to make clear his support for large Catholic families. Unfortunately, the news media had focused upon “rabbit” remark.

Pope Francis has acknowledged that he has made missteps as Pope.

Each Pope has done so. Everybody has.

LaGallina, as can be demonstrated via Tantumblogo’s archives, your claim that I have “defended like crazy” Pope Francis’ so-called “ridiculous” remarks is false.

In turn, and as is my duty and desire as a Catholic, I have defended Pope Francis against false and ridiculous claims that certain folks have advanced him.

Pax.

Steve

23. steve - April 28, 2015

Elizabeth…”Bingo. Also Bishop Athanasius Schneider.”

Bishop Anthanasius Schneider:

“Thanks be to God, Pope Francis has not expressed himself in these ways that the mass media expect from him.

“He has spoken until now, in his official homilies, very beautiful Catholic doctrine.

“I hope he will continue to teach in a very clear manner the Catholic doctrine.”

Elizabeth - April 28, 2015

Thank you, Steve. I stand corrected. While the excellent Bishop Schneider has spoken so strongly on the crisis in the Church, the Blessed Sacrament and other important issues, he does seem to have a blind spot when it comes to this Pope. Either that or he just can’t bring himself to publicly criticize or critique a Pope.

TG - April 29, 2015

I think like a lot of us, it’s hard to be so publically critical of the Pope or any priest. I read St. Catherine of Siena’s book and God says we should not criticize a priest even if they are wrong. It’s a private revelation so technically, we don’t have to believe it. I’m concerned over all that is going on in the church and am not a Pollyanna. I am going to just observe and read what everybody else says.

24. camper - April 28, 2015

The Pope is still a demagogical monster. He should be denounced from the Heavens.

kimzef2015 - April 28, 2015

If Francis had been in charge back in 2003, I would never ever have converted.

25. camper - April 28, 2015

Wow. My opinion of Bishop Schneider just plummeted. Mundabor knows the score here.

kimzef2015 - April 28, 2015

I adore Mr. Mundabor at Mundabors Blog. And I heart Bonester at That the Bones You Have Crushed May Thrill. Bonester came out of the sodomite lifestyle and into traditional Catholicism. They both see this pontificate very clearly.

kimzef2015 - April 28, 2015

P.S. I love you too Mr. Tantum.

Elizabeth - April 28, 2015

Hi Kim: Mundabor, Bonester and Tantum are my three most favorites too. We’re in good company.

Tantumblogo - April 28, 2015

What? I didn’t see anything. Link, please? I searched for Schneider on his site but found nothing damning.

Elizabeth - April 28, 2015

I think she’s referring to the quotes provided by Steve.

“Thanks be to God, Pope Francis has not expressed himself in these ways that the mass media expect from him.

“He has spoken until now, in his official homilies, very beautiful Catholic doctrine.

“I hope he will continue to teach in a very clear manner the Catholic doctrine.”

I googled it and found it. He does appear to have said just these words. Incredibly disappointing. I’d say it’s either an enormous blind spot or diplomacy. It seems so contrary to his otherwise clear vision on everything else.

Tantumblogo - April 28, 2015

No I meant to reply to Camper. He said he lost all respect for Bishop Schneider. Don’t know what was up with that.

Elizabeth - April 28, 2015

I think that Camper’s comment was in response to the glowing statements that Bishop Schneider apparently has said about the Pope, according to Steve. And I’ve seen them also.

TG - April 29, 2015

Apparently Camper doesn’t like anybody who likes Pope Francis. He’s not very charitable in calling the Pope a monster.

26. steve - April 28, 2015

Kimzef2015,

You converted during Pope Saint John Paul II’s reign? Traditionalists have trashed his Pontificate unceasingly.

They have bashed him for…

— Assisi events that were termed “heretical”
— Bizarre liturgies
— Kissed the Koran
— Unrelenting pursuit of ecumenism and interreligious “dialogue”
— Prayed in Protestant churches,
— Prayed in a synagogue
— Apologized to every group imaginable on behalf of supposed Catholic “sins” committed against said groups
— Approved the use of altar girls to serve Mass
— Anointed by a priestesses
— Conducted Mass with topless women present

That is just the tip of the iceberg in regard to supposed “heresies” that Pope Saint John II had committed, according to countless Traditionalists.

Some 2,000 years ago, would you have converted to the Church governed by a Pope who three times had denied Jesus Christ, whose behavior had led to his having been challenged to his face by Saint Paul, who attempted to abandon his flock at Rome during a Nero-led persecution?

We convert to God. We don’t refuse conversion to God and His True Church based upon a man in Rome.

Pax.

Steve

Elizabeth - April 28, 2015

“We convert to God. We don’t refuse conversion to God and His True Church based upon a man in Rome.”

And thank God for that because Kim might not have converted if it had anything to do with the current Pope. Same goes for me. John Paul II was the Pope when I went through my conversion also. He was totally irrelevant to what God did to me. The Pope in Rome was completely off my radar. All between me and God.

It was much later that I saw John Paul II for what he was. A holy man of God, probably, but incredibly damaging to the Church as a whole. This current Pope Frankie, I can’t even say that he’s a “holy man of God”. He’s a worldly 1960s hippie, Modernist, Jesuit. Worse than John Paul II.

Tantumblogo - April 28, 2015

I don’t know about heresies, I am not fit to judge a pontiff, and if I have ever intimated so, I apologize, but these were points of grave scandal. Some may have had more merit than others, but some were and are really difficult to understand. They were points of great pain for many.

The broader point is generally correct, the pontiffs since Vatican II have not always covered themselves with glory. Of course, even before Vatican II formally began, Msgr. Joseph Fenton wrote that we hadn’t had a good pope since Saint Pius X. He was a trained theologian and a lot smarter than me, but I don’t know how many would agree with him. Things certainly seem awfully amiss, though, don’t they?

TG - April 29, 2015

I wonder why we use the term “Holy Father”. How do we know they are really holy? Just saying.

kimzef2015 - April 29, 2015

To Steve—yeah you’re right. JP2 did a lot of stupid heretical stuff. I’ve only become aware of it in the last year or so since reading from a lot of Traditionalist sites.

Frank, however, is more in the mainstream media and makes open comments that vary from confusing to oppositional to Catholic teaching. I used to quote his words to women who have had abortions when I spoke in parishes. The words are still beautiful to me. But now that I know more about him, I find it impossible to believe I shouldn’t be praying for his soul in purgatory. Yes, canonizations are infallible, but obviously we have an antipope so no need to believe anything he says or does including those he canonizes.

27. steve - April 28, 2015

Elizabeth – “This current Pope Frankie, I can’t even say that he’s a “holy man of God”. He’s a worldly 1960s hippie, Modernist, Jesuit. Worse than John Paul II.”

Pope “Frankie”? Let us not disrespect His Holiness.

Elizabeth, I don’t understand as to how Pope Francis is a hippie.

I have found him far removed from worldliness.

As to his not being a “holy man of God”. That is a very serious charge.

Elizabeth, please. Do you really believe that Pope Francis is a pious fraud? Please, Elizabeth.

Pax.

Steve

Elizabeth - April 28, 2015

With all due respect, please yourself, Steve. I’m holding my tongue in response to you and your love-fest with this pope. It’s clear there’s no reasoning or changing your views. Enough said.

28. Observer - April 28, 2015

Is Pope Frankie a complete phoney? Only the passage of time will answer that question.

29. steve - April 28, 2015

Elizabeth…”It’s clear there’s no reasoning or changing your views. Enough said.”

Correct.

Unless moral scandal that involves Pope Francis surfaces, then I refuse to countenance claims that His Holiness is a pious fraud.

Just as you will not budge one-billionth of an inch in regard to your opinion of Pope Francis’ supposed lack of holiness, I will not budge one-billionth of an inch in regard to my opinion.

Nobody can “reason” with you. Nobody can “reason” with me. We are locked equally in our opinions in regard to Pope Francis’ holiness.

Okay?

People can claim that Pope Francis is an alien from outer space. They can claim that he is a secret communist agent. They can claim that he was not born in Argentina and is really a Moslem. They can claim that he is a pious fraud. So what?

I have not seen a single sign that His Holiness Pope Francis is any of the above.

Sorry.

Well, on second thought, rumor has it that his left pinkie and right eyebrow resemble a bit of Martian. The ray gun that he carries on his right side may also give him away.

There also is talk that Pope Francis’ black shoes come from Klathaa 7 of Mars. That is a chic store that caters to Martians that feign humility.

Pax.

Steve

Elizabeth - April 28, 2015

Steve: I tried my best to rise above being snide; apparently you haven’t. Obviously, all of your not-so-humorous statements have never been uttered from my mouth, nor anybody else on this blog. Condescend much? Well, have at it, if it makes you feel better.

TG - April 29, 2015

Steve, I don’t agree with everything you say but I do agree we should respect the Pope. I pray for him. That’s all I can do.

30. kimzef2015 - April 29, 2015

To Tantum—the hell you’re not fit to judge!!! Of course you are!!! A 19th century prostitute could judge this pontificate more accurately than most of today’s theologians.

31. kimzef2015 - April 29, 2015
32. Theresa - April 29, 2015

Steve, thank you. May God bless you.


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