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Fr. Carota: priests who embrace the TLM and traditional Faith will inevitably come to find grave deficiencies in the post-conciliar practices May 12, 2015

Posted by Tantumblogo in Basics, catachesis, episcopate, error, General Catholic, Latin Mass, Liturgy, manhood, martyrdom, persecution, sanctity, scandals, Society, SSPX, Tradition, true leadership, Virtue.
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Below is excerpted a most important post from Fr. Peter Carota. It speaks to a matter of conscience afflicting more and more priests, that is, those priests outside explicitly traditional communities such as the ICRSS or FSSP, who take up offering the TLM and over time find the cognitive dissonance between the pre- and post-conciliar Rites and practice of the Faith almost insurmountable. Some of these generally diocesan priests have come to the conclusion that they cannot, in good conscience, continue to offer the post-conciliar Rites (Novus Ordo Mass and all the rest).  This is a problem that will likely only continue to grow if Summorum Pontificum continues to stand and more and more priests take up the traditional practice of the Faith.  May God bless all who do with abundantly, with the strength to always act in accord with His Will.

Fr. Carota addresses the matter head on.  It is an unanticipated side effect of Summorum Pontificum that priests who come to offer the TLM and the whole traditional practice of the Faith will find the post-conciliar changes deficient.

Excerpts begin below. I add emphasis and comments:

This blog is for all you traditional Catholic priests, or those of you who are just beginning to discover the great treasure of Traditional Catholicism.  All over the world, the Holy Spirit is opening priests’ hearts and minds to embrace the great ancient treasures of our Catholic faith that have been buried and discarded for the last 50 or 60 years…….

…..Then we discover the HUGE difference between all that we know; The New Mass, New Sacraments and New Prayers, with these ancient Latin Rites we begin to study and practice.  This can bring on a terrible crisis in our priesthood.  WE CANNOT DENY WHAT WE ARE DOING EVERYDAY AS NOVUS ORDO PRIESTS, AND THE HUGE DIFFERENCE WE EXPERIENCE DOING THE ANCIENT RITES AS TRADITIONAL PRIESTS[It’s like it’s two different religions!]

Before, when all we offered and knew was the Novus Ordo New Mass, Sacraments and Prayers, we were satisfied doing our best to offer them according to the rules or rubrics in a sacred way.  But then, and especially after we start offering these Tridentine Rites, the difference in the rubrics and prayers, stare us straight in our faces.

Most of us are obliged to offer the Novus Ordo New Sacraments.  This is where the crisis begins to effect our conscience and our priesthood.  An example are the rubrics that dictate the way that the Host and Precious Blood is handled in the Latin Mass compared with the minimal rubrics contained in the New Mass for handling the Body and Blood of Jesus.  The same is to be said about the purification of the Sacred Vessels. [Just a query – is it not possible to use the TLM rubrics with regard to handling the sacred vessels?  I know the two Rites are not supposed to mix, that we are not to see hybrids of TLM and Novus Ordo, but is that a blanket prohibition?]

Then, when the rubrics of the Latin Mass explicitly demands that Jesus should only be given kneeling down and on the tongue, yet, in the New Mass, we are obliged to give Holy Communion in the hands and standing.   Bishops oblige priests to use Extra Ordinary Eucharistic Ministers to give out Holy Communion and to bless everyone who approaches in sin or who is not Catholic.  For us priests, trying to live in these two worlds, it can cause us to become schizophrenic.  [Are priests really so “obliged?”  I know one Novus Ordo priest who refuses to use EMHCs, for any Mass.  If a pastor determined not to use EMHCs, he would probably be disciplined, but since EMHCs are canonically supposed to be only an option for extraordinary situations, and not the everyday abuse we see, could a bishop do more than reassign to a less-then-desirable parish a priest who refused to use them?  Could such a priest not install altar rails and have that become the general mode of reception, kneeling and on the tongue?  I ask because there are some priests I know who have done all of the above, including one in this Diocese and the MFVA priests associated with EWTN (or, at least, they did as of 3  years ago). As for the schizophrenia, I completely understand.]

……….In the prayers of the New Mass, very rarely is the word ‘Sacrifice’ used.  In the Tridentine Mass, it is used very often and is the focus of the whole Mass.  It is called the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.  In the New Mass, it is called the celebrating of the Holy Eucharist.

I will write more on this gradual crisis, that any sincerely holy Catholic priests will go through, as they discover and offer the two rites, The New and the Old Roman Rites, together.  I also want to write more on the persecution we priests receive when we dare say the truth, ‘THAT THE LATIN MASS HAS MORE REVERENCE AND PROTECTION FOR GOD/JESUS IN THE HOLY EUCHARIST THAN THE NEW MASS’.  [And since that is demonstrably true, should bishops/pastors not permit priests to offer strictly the TLM if they feel so called, especially if there is a group of laity who desire to receive the Sacraments according to the pre-conciliar Rites?  Of course, most bishops today refuse to recognize that Summorum Pontificum and Universae Ecclesiae even exist, so I don’t hold out excess hope for a sudden enlightenment]

What shall we do in this crisis of our Catholic Priesthood?  We pray, we keep on learning and we make decisions that take a lot of faith.  We must let our pastors and bishops know what our conscience is experiencing.  We may have to change parishes or dioceses where we will be able to offer the Latin Mass.  We may have to offer the New Rites with great pain, while we continue to offer the Ancient Rites. [This post is, in fact, a public letter with a quite specific target. Please, let’s not bring his name up]

We do not want to jump ship, even though this is very tempting to do.  We want to stay in canonically approved Church.  We need to have faith that God will take care of us, even if it means being terribly persecuted by our bishops, fellow priests and parishioners.

For all of you wonderful priests who are going through this crisis, God and Mary will sustain you.  Let us pray for each other and go steady on.  The Catholic truth that we have discovered is TRUE.  There is no turning back.  God needs us right now in His Church to help reform, renew and remind people of their Catholic Treasures that were almost destroyed, but are now being brought back to life at the great price of great persecution and ostracization.

Now that’s a meaningful post.  As I said, individual readers may not agree with Father Carota’s recommendation, but I thank God he has broached the subject, because I think it is one that will become more significant as time goes on.

I guess this post also answers a question I’ve had in my mind for a while, whether Fr. Carota was “required” to offer the Sacraments according to the post-conciliar changes.  It seems the answer is yes, but it also seems Fr. Carota has great difficulty doing so.  Does anyone know for certain?

I do think a clarification or “improvement” to Summorum Pontificum/Universae Ecclesiae is necessary, that being, do priests who find they obtain such greater edification and fruit from the pre-conciliar Rites, and who have a decent group of laity who desire them, not deserve the ability to offer those Rites as they feel called to do so, according to the “old” Rites and rubrics?  Not that I look for that to happen in this pontificate, but then again, our God is a God of surprises, so I may be shocked someday!  Heh.

What I’m asking is, if the TLM is to be liberated and treated as fully equal as they are described in Summorum Pontificum, as something never abrogated, how can a priest be denied the right to offer them when he will?  Certainly, there may be practical reasons, but what I’m referring to is what seems to be a blanket ban against going full-on TLM/traditional for any priests who are not in explicitly traditional “Ecclesia Dei” groups.  Does that not indicate that the TLM is still far from equivalent in the minds of bishops and pastors?   Even among those generous enough to allow a priest or two in their diocese to offer the TLM?  We are

I have a feeling this matter will be around for a while, and as I said, grow.  We are very much surrounded by the “throw the recusants a bone” mentality, instead of a spirit of generosity.  Go figure.  We had better be praying for our good, holy priests, they are in as desperate need of our prayers, as we are of their apostolates.

Pope leads children in “no justice, no peace” chant, says there is “no answer” as to why children suffer May 12, 2015

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Vatican Insider is reporting a recent visit Pope Francis received of several thousand children associated with something called “The Peace Factory.” This peace organization, like so many, comes across as being decidedly progressive in outlook.  Apparently, he led the kids in repeating a chant of “no justice, no peace:”

The Pope preferred to set aside his prepared speech and respond off the cuff, to each of the 13 questions put to him by children. The questions were to do with peace, war, prison and sickness. “Where there is no justice, there is no peace,” he asked children to repeat altogether, explaining that in the world there is no peace because the powerful make money from the arms industry.

OK, disconcerting, but maybe not too consequential?

Well, then, how about saying to a child that “there is no answer” to the question of why children suffer:

Among the many subjects discussed, was illness in children. This is what Francis had to say to Rafael, a little Latin American boy with a heart condition: “Rafael, I was moved by what you said”. Then, answering two questions the child had put to him, the Pope added: “Is there a reason why a boy who has done nothing bad should come into the world with so many problems as he has? This is one of the hardest questions for one to answer: there is no answer. A great Russian writer, Dostoevsky, asked the same question: why do children suffer? One can only look at the sky and wait for answers that cannot be found.” What can I do to reduce a child’s suffering? “Be close to them. Society tries to set up care centres healing centres, paliative care centres; it tries to facilitate the education of children living with illnesses. I personally don’t like saying that a child is disabled,” the Pope said. “No, he or she has different abilities, he or she is not disabled, all of us have abilities. Everyone, everyone has the ability to give us something, to do something.”

I thought it had to do with Original Sin and the fact that our sufferings in this life will lead to much less – and possibly no – suffering  in the next, if they are properly accepted, and only greater glory among the blessed in Heaven.  Those are just a couple of responses, much more could be gleaned and shared from the Church’s enormously rich treasury of thought on this difficult subject.

And then to stress not a supernatural approach to suffering, but only natural, worldly responses – to try to mitigate suffering, to look on suffering as an evil to be eradicated, as opposed to telling the child in the supernatural sense he has been given a great grace and that God gives special sufferings like his to those He loves the most.  God makes the enormous grace of cooperation with suffering available to this child, and when looked at from the perspective of eternity, from a sure knowledge that this life is short and full of pain but eternity is forever, that is a most beautiful thing.  Couldn’t that have been mentioned, too?

So what does the poor child in this exchange come away with? He was just told by the Vicar of the Universal Church that his suffering is pointless, that there is no reason for it.  It is strongly implied he should try to flee from it.  Look, a sick, suffering child is a very sad thing, it breaks the heart of anyone with a soul, but at the same time, that doesn’t mean it is pointless or worthless.  No, there can be many reasons for it, perhaps this child’s suffering will be the vehicle by which he is saved.  Or perhaps his parents and/or siblings or other family.

I have found that when things like that are explained to children they can be amazingly receptive and be transformed into surprisingly devout, holy souls.  But not when they are told that the suffering of children is just one of God’s bizarre whims, inexplicable and capricious. What kind of God is being envisioned with a statement like this?  Was this just an unfortunate, poorly thought out response in another off-the-cuff exchange, or was this a considered response?

More poll data: rank and file dems now favor socialism, thank God my kids aren’t “millennials” May 12, 2015

Posted by Tantumblogo in Basics, demographics, disaster, error, foolishness, General Catholic, horror, persecution, sadness, scandals, secularism, self-serving, sickness, Society.
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Just a real brief post, highlighting both the rapid decay of this country and the success of the most transformational presidency of the past 70 years:

52% of Americans have a favorable view of capitalism, while only 26% have a favorable view of socialism. Among younger Americans, however, attitudes are a lot more divided. 36% of under-30s have a positive view of socialism, while 39% have a positive view of capitalism. Among over-65s, who came of age at the height of the Cold War, only 15% look upon socialism favorably while 59% have a like capitalism.

Democrats (43%) are also much more likely than either independents (22%) or Republicans (9%) to have a favorable view of socialism. Democrats, in fact, are as likely to have a favorable view of capitalism (43%) as socialism.

Mission accomplished.  First of all, the 9% calling themselves Republicans who say they favor socialism are, I am sorry, idiots.

Overall, this data – again, you can challenge its accuracy – reveals more than anything the successful destruction of the educational system in this country going back decades.  People only support socialism because they are ignorant of its murderous, economically ruinous history.  They don’t know the core principle of socialism, that it works so long as you are stealing from others.  This country’s economy is much weaker than it could be as this nation has advanced quite far down the path of socialism – to a degree that I think would shock someone from, say, 1960.

Even more, socialism requires a radical social/moral agenda in order to advance. It requires slow destruction of traditional morality and all the virtues that support a strong, morally acceptable economy – thrift, hard work, generosity, etc.  Socialism as a system is based on envy, pride, selfishness, and laziness.  To help inculcate those vices in people, destruction of the family is necessary. And so the intact family – the main transmission line of virtue from one generation to the next – must be destroyed, or at least gravely wounded.  So, to gain socialism, the left promotes divorce, contraception, low birth rates, adultery, fornication, abortion, sodomy, and all the rest.  Because for the left-wing elites pushing this stuff, this is all about power for them.  Of course, most of these “elites” will be tossed by the wayside as the society socializes, replaced by much more fervent and radical types, but none of them believe that could happen to them, brilliant and awesome as they are.  But this has been a core facet of every hard socialist/communist government that has seized power – the useful idiots are eliminated, replaced by a cadre of hardcore true believers. Even then, these left wing parties tend to purge themselves with each new generation seeking higher and higher levels of ideological purity –  the Stalinist show trials, the cultural revolution in China, the killing fields of Cambodia, the purges of the old guard Sandinistas – it takes a bloodbath to build s socialist paradise.

So yes there are wild-eyed true believers in socialism in this country, and a growing number of them, for the most part, those indicating in polls (and in internet comment boxes) that they think socialism is just great are just ignorant rubes.  They have no idea what they are talking about.  And my goodness our schools -as if I needed more confirmation – are just charnal houses of ignorance and moral decadence.  Does anything good happen there, any more, aside from high school football?  This process of creating an idiocracy has been most deliberate.  Then again, our schools and colleges have been, more and more, indoctrination factories for socialism for decades.  Most of the self-anointed “best and brightest” now emerge from their education profoundly left-wing.

And so the Jerry Springer and “Keeping Up With the Kardashians” crowd will inherit the earth.  Peachy!

New Evangelization workin’ like a charm – number of Catholics plummets, America increasingly non-Christian May 12, 2015

Posted by Tantumblogo in Basics, demographics, disaster, Ecumenism, episcopate, error, foolishness, General Catholic, horror, paganism, scandals, secularism, self-serving, Society, the struggle for the Church.
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A whole bevy of bad news from the latest Pew poll of religion in the United States which, if accurate, shows Christianity in general is plummeting in this country, but the decrease is centered almost entirely in the Church and the mainline sects – that is, those bodies which have most embraced the left-liberal religious paradigm and most secularized their practice of the Faith.

Data below.  As always, take the specific numbers with a grain of salt, but at this point I think the major trends are irrefutable:

The Christian share of the U.S. population is declining, while the number of U.S. adults who do not identify with any organized religion is growing, according to an extensive new survey by the Pew Research Center…….

…….To be sure, the United States remains home to more Christians than any other country in the world, and a large majority of Americans – roughly seven-in-ten – continue to identify with some branch of the Christian faith.1 But the major new survey of more than 35,000 Americans by the Pew Research Center finds that the percentage of adults (ages 18 and older) who describe themselves as Christians has dropped by nearly eight percentage points in just seven years, from 78.4% in an equally massive Pew Research survey in 2007 to 70.6% in 2014. Over the same period, the percentage of Americans who are religiously unaffiliated – describing themselves as atheist, agnostic or “nothing in particular” – has jumped more than six points, from 16.1% to 22.8%

And if you read the data, you will find that the vast majority of the decline is occurring among the millenials – they are simply not taking up the faith of their parents.  Nearly 40% of millenials claim no religious affiliation.  That may change as they age, but since they count this cohort down to 1980 – meaning 35  year olds – maybe not.  Each succeeding generation tends to have a lower and lower religious affiliation.

The depressing data:



So the religiously unaffiliated – mostly people who just answer “spiritual but not religious,” but also atheists and agnostics – is the most rapidly growing segment of the American population.  Mainline protestantism is collapsing only slightly faster than Catholicism, which makes sense, as so many changes introduced into the Church since Vatican II were deliberately oriented towards making the One, True Faith as indistinguishable from the mainline, left-oriented, secularized sects as possible.



The number of evangelicals actually increased, but did not increase at the same rate as the overall population.  If the numbers below are correct, there are now likely fewer Catholics in the US than there were in 1970:



The data, if accurate, makes apparent that the vast majority if Catholics who fall away from the Faith are not being lured to other sects, but are joining the ranks of the atheistic and religiously indifferent. Gee, I wonder where they could have absorbed all that religious indifference, all that belief that it makes no difference which church one belongs to, if any, since we’re all saved by our super-lovey, never judgy God anyways?

So here’s a question – how on earth does the Pew survey estimate 51 million Catholics, while the Georgetown University CARA studies – tightly associated with the USCCB – somehow show 80 million Catholics in this country?  Is the CARA study including people who state they were once Catholic and are now outside the Church?  Is this the same kind of accounting that leads the Diocese of Dallas to claim that there are over 1.2 million Catholics in this Diocese, whereas the actual number of practicing Catholics is a much smaller fraction of that number?  I will note that even the CARA data has two numbers for the Catholic population – 66 million ostensible “parish-connected” Catholics – meaning their name is on a parish roll somewhere (and how many duplicates, triplicates, and more does that represent?  It took my getting very tough with a couple of parishes to get our names de-listed from their roll, they really don’t like to do that, apparently) – and 80 million “self-identified, survey based estimate” Catholics.  And yet Pew says 51 million, possibly less than 50.

One might assume both the secular-leaning Pew and the USCCB-affiliated CARA studies have reasons to exaggerate numbers one way or another.  So perhaps the truth lies somewhere in between.  But from your personal experience, how many of you really believe there are 25 million more Catholics in this country than there were in 1980?  I find that to be highly doubtful.  According to CARA, the CAtholic population hasn’t dropped at all, but continued growing!  Who has a greater impetus to exaggerate – Pew, most likely biased towards a more secular America, but probably only somewhat so, or CARA, providing the numbers the bishops will use to tout at their ad limina visits in Rome?  How would it look if they had to explain why the number of Catholics is less than what it was in 1970, when the US population has increased by 60% since that time?

Not that such would be unprecedented – all Catholic countries outside east Asia and sub-saharan Africa have seen plummeting numbers over the past several decades.  And even in Africa and Asia, growth is increasingly soft and millions are converting away from the Church founded by Jesus Christ for the sects, especially American-type (and often American-funded) evangelical sects.

Many Catholics are convinced the Church is experiencing unprecedented declines across the board from Mass attendance, involvement in parish life, donations, school enrollment, religious vocations, priestly vocations, etc., specifically due to the massive changes made in practice and, in reality, belief, since Vatican II.  The post-conciliar practice of the Faith is not drawing souls into the Church as promised, and in fact seems to be a prime factor in many falling away.  And since that post-conciliar construct was heavily influenced by desires to appeal to mainline protestants, it is hardly surprising that the same secularizing, de-legitimizing trends afflicting those sects and causing an even worse decline there (but only marginally so) are working the same effect on the Church.  The only real question in the minds of many of the most faithful Catholics is when will there be a return to sanity, when will the Church be herself again, when will the strong, vibrant Faith that was growing, enjoying a huge number of vocations, and converting hundreds of thousands every year, return?

Enjoy your new springtime.  How hostile a place for Christians will this nation be in another 28 years, if present rates hold, and nearly half the population is outright atheist, agnostic, or completely indifferent?  That is really the reality now, and the number is more than half, since so many Americans, even “practicing Christians,” are in reality incredibly soft in their practice of the Faith, and so easily swayed to accept whatever amoral atrocity the sexular pagan overculture demands of them from one moment to the next.  The stage is ripe for a most bitter and prolonged persecution.

Thanks to MFG for the link.

Texas Senate passes “Pastor Protection Act;” tries to provide legal protections for pastors to refuse sodo-marriages May 12, 2015

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Thanks to reader skeinster for the link.  The Texas Senate has apparently “tentatively” passed a bill that clarifies clergy’s right to refuse taking part in a fake marriage for “same sex” couples.  The bill would increase legal protections for clergy who find themselves in such situations, making it much more difficult for an aggrieved perverse couple to take legal action against them.  Please do read the justifications of the bill’s demonrat opponents, it is incredible in light of the events of the past year that they would still trot out these pathetic arguments:

The so-called Pastor Protection Act — a bill that clarifies clergy members’ right to refuse to marry same-sex couples — tentatively passed the Texas Senate on Monday.  [Right off the bat, the quite left of center Texas Tribune stakes out their ideological position on this bill – dramatically opposed]

After a brief debate in which several Democrats questioned the necessity of the measure, lawmakers approved Senate Bill 2065 along nearly party lines with a 21-10 vote. State Sen. Eddie Lucio Jr., D-Brownsville, sided with the chamber’s 20 Republicans. Final passage is expected Tuesday.

State Sen. José Rodríguez, an El Paso Democrat who voted against the measure, questioned whether it could be used to justify a refusal to perform interracial marriages — shielding religious officials from prosecution “no matter how extreme [their] views are.” [Please.  Can he cite one instance in the past 25 years when a religious figure has refused a marriage on racial grounds?  This is just a wicked calumny masquerading as a “concern.” I wonder what role this Rodriguez character played in the drama that has played out in El Paso regarding sodo-marriage and the persecution of a certain priest?]

Pointing out that same-sex marriage is banned in Texas, state Sen. John Whitmire, D-Houston, asked what problem the bill was trying to fix.

Whitmire said it was “unheard of” that a same-sex couple would try to force a pastor to perform a wedding ceremony if that pastor did not accept their marriage.  [Really?!?  REALLY?!  They have shown an unrelenting cruelty and desire to see their opponents not just beaten but crushed to the point of homelessness and abject misery.  They have tried to wipe out the existences of florists and bakers and bed and breakfast owners, all related to their attempt to foist the ultimate affirmation of their perversion on the rest of us, their false, damnable “marriages.”  In fact, this is so”unheard of,” that right now a Christian “pastor” is being cruelly persecuted in Coeur d’Alene Idaho because of his refusal to take part in this mockery of marriage.  The city has declared all pastors “must” perform such false simulations of marriage.]

“They just want to be left alone to love their partner. They want to get married with clergy in a setting that embraces that union,” he said.   [so that’s why they’ve tried to destroy any baker, pizzeria owner, florist, or anyone else who doesn’t give them the affirmation they so desperately crave? Pour encourager les autres?]

It’s time like these that I wish Lex was still around to comment. His searing wit would have torn this self-serving movement apart much better than I can.  God rest his soul.

How many instances of Alinskyite tactics can you find in the above?  Massive misrepresentation of fact, mockery of valid concerns of others, routine use of double standards, and always always always pushing for the progressive cause.  The only really heartening bit in the above is to note that the dems are outnumbered over 2:1 in the Senate.  But for how long?

So Fr. Z is pumping JPII as a Doctor of the Church now?!?  Should we just make every Saint a Doctor and be done with it?