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Pope Francis: nations that block illegal immigration should seek God’s forgiveness June 17, 2015

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The hits, they just keep on coming.  In his Wednesday audience today, Pope Francis called for “respect for migrants” and stated that those who seek to curb illegal immigration should seek God’s forgiveness. You can try to lambaste the secular site quoted below as being biased, but, just to quell that temptation, I also provide Rome Reports’ video of his audience that includes the same message.

Pope Francis on Wednesday called for respect for migrants and suggested that “people and institutions” who close doors to them should seek forgiveness from God.

The pope’s appeal, made at the end of his weekly general audience, came amid growing debate in Europe on how to deal with an immigrant crisis that has included clashes at the French-Italian borer between police and migrants.

“I invite you all to ask forgiveness for the persons and the institutions who close the door to these people who are seeking a family, who are seeking to be protected,” he said in unscripted remarks delivered in a somber voice.

France and Austria have stepped up border controls on migrants coming from Italy, turning back hundreds and leaving growing numbers camped out in train stations in Rome and Milan…….

……The pope said “these brothers and sisters of ours are seeking refuge far from their lands, they are seeking a home where they can live without fear.”

He asked for prayers that their “human dignity always be respected” and urged the international community to “work together and efficiently to prevent the causes of forced migration”.

The video (quote begins at 1:54):

So, he actually asks for prayers of forgiveness for those who “close doors” to mass illegal immigration, such as both the US and Western Europe have been experiencing for some years.

Look, irrespective of what this Pope says, we have a Magisterium that provides the moral guidelines for dealing with such mass movements. The Catholic Faith does not require that nations, whether wealthier or not, simply open their borders to anyone and everyone who seeks entry.  Determining just limits on such migration, or attempting to block it entirely, are prudential decisions that are based on numerous factors, including the readiness and ability of immigrants to assimilate into the existing culture of a nation, potential threats to the livelihoods and safety of already existing citizens (which must be prioritized over all immigrants, and especially those who immigrate illegally), potential for disease vectors/mass outbreaks of illness, being members of a highly violent religion whose beliefs are antithetical to the good of souls and the right Christian ordering of Western culture…..there are literally dozens more.  Yes countries, especially those which are more well-off, should certainly strive to be as welcoming to the stranger as possible, but that welcoming is as always governed by prudence. Strongly implying that nations or groups who see a problem with a huge influx of new immigrants – especially those who have a proven track-record of a propensity towards violence, refusal to assimilate, and who tend to live off the welfare state disproportionately – are somehow morally derelict (and need to implore God’s forgiveness) is really beyond the pale.  That’s not a Catholic belief.

It is progressive belief, however, at least for now.  That’ll change, of course, once mass immigration stops serving progressive ends.  And then such statements now so welcomed by progressives will be reviled, which is why previous more prudent Popes ventured into such highly charged prudential judgments with much more trepidation and carefulness of thought.  And, there is the flip side, while the Pope may give progressives tingles with statements like these, he is likely causing angst in a nearly equal number of people who don’t share his progressive outlook.

I should note in closing that the statements regarding migrants were yet another in the endless series of off-the-cuff remarks this Pope makes.  Which propensity forces me to conclude that either this Pope is wildly imprudent in speech, or he knows exactly what he is doing.  I’ll let  you be the judge of that.

 

Comments

1. kimzef2015 - June 17, 2015

Let’s just abolish countries and all live in teepees. Teepees are cool.

Tim - June 17, 2015

Would that mean that there would be no governments collecting taxes?

kimzef2015 - June 17, 2015

Let’s start with Sodom, I mean the Vatican. It’s a country, no? Let’s crowd as many Isis Musloids in there.

Tantumblogo - June 17, 2015

Rachel Dolezal grew up in one. She would know.

kimzef2015 - June 17, 2015

Rachel is the new breed of tranny—she’s transracial!!

2. Joseph D'Hippolito - June 17, 2015

This Pope represents the hierarchy’s prevailing thinking on the issue. Just look at the statements the USCCB has made about immigration. Those virtually ignore illegal immigration and its consequences. If another Pope were elected, he likely would have said the same thing. The approach toward illegal immigration, in turn, represents the Church’s indulgent attitude toward the poor: They have no corresponding responsibilities to society. Neither do governments have responsibilities to their own citizens.

I wrote a piece several years ago about how the Catholic Church in Belgium allowed Muslim immigrants to use a church as a home, even to the point of making fires on the floor:

http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=1617

ChronicSinner - June 17, 2015

Saw in your article that the Archdiocese of Detroit sold and leased property to Muslims. I wonder if they would be willing to sell or lease any property to the SSPX?

Tim - June 17, 2015

HELL NO!!!!!…..the muslims are our beloved dialogue partners. Those eeeeeeeeeeeeeevil SSPX people don’t like dialogue……just TRUTH. Now we can’t be involved with that can we????

camper - June 17, 2015

Whoever you are, you lost my respect by using the term “hell” the way you did. Inappropriate.

Tim Thunell - June 17, 2015

“Dear Pope Francis……SHUT UP. YOU’RE A HERETIC.
Sincerely,
Camper”
That’s appropriate.
Practice what you preach, sir. Your respect means zero.

Tantumblogo - June 17, 2015

No fingers pointed; let’s all play nice.

kimzef2015 - June 18, 2015

Aw shut the hell up.

3. ChronicSinner - June 17, 2015

“The reason for this was that if foreigners were allowed to meddle with the affairs of a nation as soon as they settled down in its midst, many dangers might occur, since the foreigners not yet having the common good fully at heart might attempt something hurtful to the people.”

Quote from the Angelic Doctor, based upon Aristotle and Old Testament Jewish tradition, on why it is not only morally permissible, but indeed prudent to have restrictions on immigration in order to protect nationally sovereignty and the common good of the citizenry.

Nice short summation below on some of St. Thomas Aquinas’ thought on immigration.

http://www.tfp.org/tfp-home/catholic-perspective/what-does-saint-thomas-say-about-immigration.html

huxleyorwell - June 19, 2015

Well said!

4. Gary - June 17, 2015

I always respect the chair of Peter. Francis is too liberal, a socialist I’d say. We must have law and order; many wolves are sneaking in our borders.

5. camper - June 17, 2015

Dear Pope Francis,
SHUT UP. YOU’RE A HERETIC.

Sincerely,
Camper

kimzef2015 - June 17, 2015

Dear Pope Francis ,
Please open the borders of the Vatican and let as many Isis Musloids in as possible.

6. Patrick Archbold - June 17, 2015

Fine. You want open borders? Write an encyclical condemning the welfare state. You can’t have both.

7. Magdalene - June 17, 2015

I think rather that the countries that make people want to flee them should be the ones asking for forgiveness. And unregulated ‘immigration’ is going to reap the whirlwind as muslim numbers climb for their goal has never changed.

Baseballmom - June 17, 2015

Amen.

8. Baseballmom - June 17, 2015

Need to get rid of all those pesky RCIA groups. If anyone wants to be a Catholic then they have a right to demand the sacraments, immediately. And forget passing the plate to them, they have a RIGHT to everything the Church has to offer, and they have NO OBLIGATION to support their parish.

J Rebecca - June 17, 2015

Exactly. To Francis everything is a matter of rights (health care, employment, food, housing, etc…), with no obligations.

H-town - June 18, 2015

Liberation theology.

9. Willard Money - June 17, 2015

While states do have a right to regulate immigration, it should be noted that according to the Catholic Church deportation is an intrinsic evil. That’s right, an intrinsic evil. See Veritatis Splendor, 80

H-town - June 18, 2015

Willard, you misunderstand what JPII was referring to in VS. He’s talking about legal CITIZENS of a country being deported, typically for political reasons. That is an intrinsic evil, he’s not talking about deporting illegal aliens.

Tantumblogo - June 18, 2015

I would also add that there are aspects of many post-conciliar encyclicals and papal pronouncements which are in stark contrast to the pre-conciliar Magisterium – such as JPII’s entire approach to the death penalty. The post didn’t bring up deporting anyone, anyway, so the entire line of thought was a red herring to begin with.

kimzef2015 - June 19, 2015

Yeah I can’t think of one Vat 2 pope who gave a rat’s cahooties about Pope Pius XI’s encyclical Mortallium Animos. They all violated it—blatantly! So in the spirit of the Vat 2 popes, I think we are free to reject any encyclical or teaching the current pontiff’s spew. They certainly reject many preconcilliar teachings.

You almost have to make a decision as to whether you will follow the Vat 1 Church or the Vat 2 Church.

10. Obsever - June 17, 2015

Illegal immigration destroys both the birthright of our children and the security of our old folk. It will eventually bring utter physical and moral degradation upon those nations which allow such abuses of charity.
It should now be obvious to anyone with half a brain, Jorge Bergoglio is a communist of the worst sort.

H-town - June 18, 2015

Unfortunately majority of Catholics in America don’t have half a brain, they voted for Oslama twice.

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12. Lindsay Wheeler - June 17, 2015

The man is evil! As it says in Scripture, “Those who hold the law know me not”. This guy is a bloomin’ idiot.

Just makes me want to cry. I really do believe that every single bishop in America is a traitor. They are betraying us.

“Jesus had his Judas; we have our Ten Thousands”. And you can quote me.

It is just sad. Very Very Sad.

I have another saying, “The whole world is like a Jim Jones Temple, and Everyone has drunk the Kool-Aid”. The insanity is overpowering. The Second coming is right around the corner. Know it. God is pissed. Maranatha.

H-town - June 18, 2015

The Cardinals who voted for this man knowing what he stands for, are certainly traitors. Shame on them.

13. Thomas Lewis (@notredsimplyput) - June 18, 2015

No matter what happens pray and keep you soul from fear of the things of this world. What evil there is – has been – and Our Lord will not turn away from you as long as you keep the Faith. This is happening very fast. But Our Lord said the time would be shortened for those who believe. Keep Calm and hold on and keep praying.

14. Samuel - June 18, 2015

He knows exactly what he is doing: paving the way for one world government.
Pope’s title of Vicar or Christ when translated and not transliterated is antichrist.

wlindsaywheeler - June 18, 2015

For all those who think Pope JPII was good, he was also for one world government! Just read Fr. Malachi Martin’s book The Keys of this Blood, Pope John Paul II Versus Russia and the West For the Control of the New World Order. One World government is a Marxist idea. It is part of Jewish messianism! How in the world are Catholics participating in Jewish messianism I don’t know. The whole world has gone crazy!

The Church has dropped the ball completely on Cultural Marxism. I have another saying, “The modern Roman Catholic Church is Marxism with a cross”. It is very sad. The gates of Hell are prevailing against the Church and so it means that the Second Coming is around the corner.

Maranatha!

TG - June 18, 2015

I started to read that book and got a little bored with it. I normally love Father Martin’s books but the beginning of The Keys of the Blood moves too slow for me. Maybe I need to start it up. Everything that is happening in the church now was set in motion in the 60’s and 70’s maybe even beyond that according to Father Martin. May he rest in peace.

huxleyorwell - June 19, 2015

Yeah, Lindsay Wheeler, yeah! Go scapegoat Jews for the sins of Communists! Yeah! Wheeler — you’re full of antisemitic bull-crap! You’re not a member of some Identity cult now, are you ?!

wlindsaywheeler - June 19, 2015

I don’t know about your spew crap, but an Archbishop in Australia warned about Judeo-Masonic-Bolshevism in 1870. 1870 no less.

I have done the research. I have read up on Jewish Messianism and it is in both Freemasonry and in International socialism. If you want to understand how our Western world was converted to that system, all the references are here: Part I, The Case of the Barefoot Socrates: Academic Myth-Making and the Jewish Transformation of the West

All one needs to do is research and it is all right there. Jewish messianism requires the rebuilding of the Tower of Babel. It is about recreating a ONE Human race.

The Bible condemns miscegenation and even forbids the intermixing of different breeds of cattle. It is about the Natural Order. Nations and Races are part of the Natural Order that God Created. God created race. This immigration thing is about race mixing and destroying the social cohesion of the European races. The Jews hate Europeans and Christianity. This is their way of destroying us.

huxleyorwell - June 23, 2015

What you have just said, Mr. or Miss Wheeler, indicates that you are as good as a member of some disgusting Identity cult. Constance Cumbey warned her readers about the evils of Identity cults. Too bad that decades after her written warnings, there are still people who subscribe to some sort of Identity cultism – and that includes the falsely so-called “christian Identity” that you have evidently espoused!

15. C Thomas - June 18, 2015

It seems sad that you can take a Reuters.com report as fact, without going to the source: Vatican.va where you will find actual quotes from Pope Francis.

Example: In yesterday’s General Audience the Pope actually said:
POPE FRANCIS

GENERAL AUDIENCE

Saint Peter’s Square
Wednesday, 17 June 2015

[Multimedia]

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

In our ongoing catechesis on the family, I wish to reflect on one of the more dramatic and painful events that every person, without exception, has to deal with, namely, the death of a family member. Jesus has compassion on those who mourn, as today’s Scripture reading reminds us, because the death of a loved one is never without pain for families; this is especially true of parents who lose a child. Jesus’ presence with the widow at Na’in assures us that he is with us in our darkest moments and that he is with us in our loss and mourning. Through faith in him, in his Resurrection and his abiding presence, we can face our loss, “the sting of death”, as Saint Paul calls it, make sense of it, and have confidence that death does not have the last word. May we, with Christ-like tenderness and compassion, know how to be close and offer consolation to families suffering the loss of a loved one. Above all, may we always be witnesses to the love which Christ revealed through his cross and resurrection, a love stronger than death. Let us also be grateful for our faith in him, which is the only adequate response to our deepest needs in the face of the death of a loved one.

Holy Father:

Saluto i pellegrini di lingua inglese presente all’Udienza oggi, specialmente quelli provenienti da Inghilterra, Scozia, Zambia, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Giappone, Pakistan, Vietnam, Porto Rico e Stati Uniti. In particolare prego per le famiglie che sono in lutto. Che i pastori e tutte le comunità cristiane le sostengano con le preghiere, l’aiuto concreto e la tenerezza. Su tutti voi e sui vostri familiari invoco benedizioni abbondanti di pace e di gioia nel Signore Gesù. Dio vi benedica!

Speaker:

I greet the English speaking pilgrims and visitors taking part in today’s Audience, including those from England, Scotland, Zambia, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Japan, Pakistan, Vietnam, Puerto Rico and the United States. I pray especially for families mourning loved ones. May the Church’s pastors and communities come to their aid in pray, acts of concrete help, and with tenderness. Upon all of you and your loved ones, I invoke the Lord Jesus’ abundant blessings of peace and joy. May God bless you all!

© Servizio Internet Vaticano – Direzione delle Telecomunicazioni

H-town - June 18, 2015

So the Rome Reports video proof is wrong also?

Tantumblogo - June 18, 2015

Yes I was very careful to make sure that he spoke as reported. As I noted in the piece, he asked those in attendance at the audience to pray for forgiveness for “those” who close borders or otherwise block immigration. I would take that as at least a tacit claim that nations and individuals who oppose unconstrained immigration are sinners needing God’s forgiveness.

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17. TG - June 18, 2015

I think most Latin Americans don’t like Americans and are envious. It’s a trait I’ve noticed in people from Mexico. Even my own father,who was a legal immigrant, seemed to have a resentment of the U.S. That is one reason Hispanic immigrants don’t learn English. That’s why it doesn’t surprise me when the Pope favors the illegals.

18. Don - June 18, 2015

Can we have a link to the Magisterium teaching on immigration? Anyone?

If the translation of what Francis said is correct, he is likely completely at odds with that teaching. Certainly there is zero reason to allow Mohammedans in any large numbers into a nation. Christianity is not a suicide pact,

ChronicSinner - June 18, 2015

Nice link below to what St. Thomas Aquinas says about immigration…not officially Magisterium, but the Angelic doc was once considered the gold standard when it came to Catholic philosophy and teaching prior to the modernist age the Church finds Herself in and his subsequent banishment to attic.

http://www.tfp.org/tfp-home/catholic-perspective/what-does-saint-thomas-say-about-immigration.html

huxleyorwell - June 19, 2015

To Veneremurcernui : sorry for my typos or typographical errors when I commented your blog. How do I edit those typos? Also, I think Francis is guilty of speaking inadvisedly — the same sin that kept Moses out of the Promised Land. “The tongue is a … world of iniquity” — St. James

Tantumblogo - June 22, 2015

After you post your comment, you cannot edit it in this WordPress format. Sorry, don’t worry about it, I got your meaning.

19. huxleyorwell - June 19, 2015

Moses was barred from the Promised Land for speaking inadvisadly. I think that Pope Franky is also guilty of what sin Moses committed.

huxleyorwell - June 19, 2015

(Typos.Sorry.)

20. huxleyorwell - June 19, 2015

Moses spoke inadvisably,and so alsospeaks this Pope. Speaking inadvisably kept Moses out of the Promised Land! Thimk!

huxleyorwell - June 19, 2015

(Sorry for my typographical errors! Typos!)

kimzef2015 - June 19, 2015

Ironically some of the nations that send out the most immigrants are the toughest to get into.Mexico is an example.An illegal immigrant may get upto 2 decades in prison.Obtaining citizenship in Russia,much of Africa and Asia is hard and in the case of Japan and South Korea,next to the immposible unless through marriage.Unlike the US,Birthright citizenship does not exist in these countries.You cannot become a citizen in middle eastern nations like KSA or Qatar even if you live there your whole life unless under special circumstances(like the athletes poached from Kenya by Qatar.).Nations like Australia,New Zealand,South Africa and Singapore provide permanent residency and citizenship based on skills and investments only.

Guess these countries are all going to hell.

21. guest - June 19, 2015

Mexico’s a lot “meaner” to illegals crossing their border than the U.S. ever was. Very strict as well on legal migration. Guess they need more fogiveness than U.S. Good thing they had that national exorcism… : ) I don’t think they are who the Pope had in mind though. Maybe he should think things through…

22. Steve Wulfeck - June 19, 2015

I’ll consider this when the Vatican takes in several thousand people who invade their space and feeds them, gives them money, health care, and allows them to live in the Vatican indefinitely – THEN, I’ll consider this!!!!!!!

23. Linda - June 20, 2015

Oh. I am sorry. PopY. NO I DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU. These illegal scum bags need to stay in their own country if they do the economy so. Much good then fix. Your own. And pope. You like the illegal scum bags so well. GO LIVE WITH THEM.

Tantumblogo - June 22, 2015

Wow. Settle down a bit folks.

24. Robin L. M. Cheung - June 20, 2015

[+amgD] I’d be extremely hesitant–if not outright refusing–to even consider dep0rting any Aliens, whether illegal or not, from God’s Green Earth.

After all, one lesson I learned from being an altar boy in the Tridentine Latin Mass at St. Lawrence Martyr Church in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Toronto was that God’s House is God’s House for which we are all charged with stewardship (it’s actually crossing the borderline of being charged with failure in our stewardship) when Fr. S would inform me of this or that thing that was left out of place or a door left unlocked–even if I remember that I had locked the door and/or put things away as he’d taught me.

From this experience, I learned idiosyncratically “don’t defend yourself”–which is actually a contextual idiosyncrasy because we are on the verge of making a fatal mistake of misinterpreting DEFEND ourselves with the meaning of OFFEND (that is, we are on the verge of telegraphing an offensive versus defensive posture in a critical situation….)

Imagine we are already lost, here on earth–we’ve already passed the critical point past which we cannot save the earth from our own idiocy and greedy lack of stewardship… (But do so only briefly, for the purposes of saving us all…)

Now, imagine a number of aliens are able and willing to perform, as an act of mercy, what would equate to a miracle given our vast human retardedness, but to these aliens, is really “simply” a “huge pain in the ass and huge expenditure of resources on their part, coming over here to save our ignorant asses.

Now, imagine they did not anticipate the degree of violent ignorant retardness that would greet them on their arrival–and to make this exemplar the most exemplary one you will ever have the opportunity to consider, at this late hour–I have spent my entire life here on earth, only socially-debilitated and isolated for the past 12 years (as of 11 September) from my daughter who turns 12 this 6 of the 7th month (2003-07-06 in AMERICAN date format…)

Now awakening to try reintegrate with society, I have been nearly-constantly shocked and horrified by the degree of unnecessary lack of caring, violent ignorance, and in-fighting that for a time that exceeds the length of my own “exile from society, within society physically, but socially without…,” I’ve felt how undeserving of being saved we humans are. Now that I am attempting to reintegrate in society, I see that as things are, we’ve not only damned ourselves but we’ve done so in a way that virtually guarantees a degree of suffering for unrepentant transgressions that we may believe ourselves willing to accept–on THIS side of the suffering’s beginning.

Whether you believe in Karma or not, whether you believe that there is consequence to actions both seen and unseen, both seen and unseen, I assure you to presume that there IS and amen’d our ways even beginning NOW, THIS VERY MICROSECOND will mitigate something unpreventable now by an amount that you will be thankful for. I guarantee it even though it’s not my will that matters and not my actions that will be enforcing anything.

The cost of amen’ding our ways and taking on a little bit of suffering now without conveniences of excessive luxury at the expense of the earth’s environment, natural resources, animal and plant life (eating a grape, for example, conforms to “Thou shalt not kill”; eating a pig, however, unless it was only part of a still-living pig that you’ve cared for after removing the part, or if the pig had already died of natural causes or as a result of some other motivation unrelated to your own, violates “Thou shalt not kill” in a way that is violated in a number that’s unimaginable to the human mind considering the number of yeasts killed in the baking of one loaf of bread….

The potential downside suffering, however, of not accepting the HUGE change across the entire world that this knowledge implies–may be suffering we are unwilling to go through by the time it passes a point that it is unavoidable, whenever it is, was, or might be… q:-S

The potential cost of amen’ding our ways to AT THE VERY LEAST conform to the 10 Commandments–is only a loss of luxury and preference, albeit such a huge loss of comforts that it will feel like Hell…

I guarantee all of you you do not want to take the chances of suffering through actual Hell. Please do this for our children’s future, do it for our own future, do it for our past, but I can only validly ask–please do it for me; it’s all I’m currently able to ask anyone for, but I ask it from everyone in the world that ever was, is, and will be.

ps. It might be a good time–just in case, even–for the Church to consider modifying its teachings that “aliens are demons”; the amount of good and evil in a thing, I’ve found, often balances out–probably always is equal–and to ask for, by default, the evil side of anything(s) that can travel farther and faster and at scales greater than we can imagine, is perhaps the most foolhardy thing for a world to do through its wilfull ignorance, let alone through explicitly referring to their own personal demons as their default identity.

The key to understanding this, perhaps, is that “a thing is in itself neither good nor evil; it is the will in heart that makes a thing good and evil. To refer only to the evil in a sentient being almost never elicits the pure good in that being. “All things for a reason,” we say we know and understand–yet, we dismiss witchcraft and offend entire cultural communities, or perhaps even souls alien to this earth–before even realising we are in a position of needing to ask their help….

If aliens and demons don’t exist, then we’re good. Pray about it and hear and do God’s will if you would.

If they do and if what I say is even an exaggeration or even if I’m way off in magnitude, but at least in concept consistent with observation, then I beg you to pray about it and hear–and do–God’s will, cuz your own will and will be your last, for which will and testament will have no souls remaining to whom to bequest to.

Way to go–we haven’t even reached Square One yet. q:-P

guest - June 21, 2015

The border is ALWAYS open for you to leave if you don’t like America. Maybe you should go be an illegal alien in another country. Cheung, sounds Asian. Perhaps I too will leave the U.S. and enter into your ancestral nation illegally. How would I be treated ?

Robin L. M. Cheung - June 21, 2015

[+amgD] I’m Canadian-born and have always lived in Canada. I’m not referring to human aliens necessarily, and I’m thinking more along the lines of “nowhere on earth to seek refuge from what is coming.”

I’m seeking all the forgiviness God can afford me given my best try to amen’d my life from this moment onward, and in as much Charity as posible, I pray you ask God if it be in your beste interests and His will that you do same, if you haven’t already since our exchange begun and your heart seems to have taken a position it might regret one day soon q:-S

et benedicat +nos omnes, omnipotens Deus… et nunc et semper…

a man.

Robin L. M. Cheung - June 21, 2015

[+amgD] Whilst I would be hesitant–perhaps even “highly resistant” to presumption, particularly in this case, that my heart did presume and project my own presumption onto you, Guest–I presumed that you presumed I was living in the USA and that my ancestral land is China.

Whether or not that be the case, I petition God for forgiveness that I projected my own presumption onto you, Guest; for whether you did or not is not my business, and is between only you and God.

In particular, my life has contained myriad exemplars where a soul seems either contracted to take on a Sin on my behalf where I’ve seen a clear misattribution (someone seems to know I had not transgressed as they seem sure that I did…which would appear to be a clear disregard for “bearing false witness”–something only applicable in a very limited set of circumstances during End Game of End Times as it seems we have reached already.)

The other case where a transgression seems clear and we often waste our own expiatory opportunities and even take on mortal sin unnecessarily is to believe that we are to do anything more than scripturally-directed; that is, “first, do try and approach our brothers and sisters directly, attempting to outline an example that follows our Lord’s teachings more closely than observed from your vantage point–within the specific context you observe what you believe may be sinful.
Second, approach Thy neighbour’s friends/family and appeal that they help their seemingly-falling brother or sister align better with our Lord’s teachings.
Third, appeal to the Church that the Church help either correct the behaviour or even, if necessary, distribute post-mortem salvation as mercifully it has mandate to do.

After that, to persist in trying to change another’s behaviour without their primary, secondary, and other knowledge, experience, entire life context within a context of all past, present, and future that only God knows the results of, given His knowledge of the results of our free will choices–is to play God in a most arrogant way that presumes we can know all hearts in all times past present and future.

It also wastes our own time focusing on self-righteousness that we could instead apply to our own expiation, even risking something as simple as the Sin of anger–why anyone would want to exchange as little time as we have left sinning when they could apply it to expiation is, obviously, beyond me–but what God has arranged for anyone else I cannot know–let alone know better….

Guest, and anyone else not realizing just how deep into End Times we are–if you ever find out one day who I am, you may by then both wish you’d taken even one second more of the advice I am required to pass on to you and have tried to do just now, a second time–as well as, I think, not at all wish you were me.

http://Robin.Cheung.MBA2003.biz
benedicat +nos omnes omnipotens Deus

25. Robin L. M. Cheung - June 21, 2015

[+amgD] Whilst I would be hesitant–perhaps even “highly resistant” to presumption, particularly in this case, that my heart did presume and project my own presumption onto you, Guest–I presumed that you presumed I was living in the USA and that my ancestral land is China.

Whether or not that be the case, I petition God for forgiveness that I projected my own presumption onto you, Guest; for whether you did or not is not my business, and is between only you and God.

In particular, my life has contained myriad exemplars where a soul seems either contracted to take on a Sin on my behalf where I’ve seen a clear misattribution (someone seems to know I had not transgressed as they seem sure that I did…which would appear to be a clear disregard for “bearing false witness”–something only applicable in a very limited set of circumstances during End Game of End Times as it seems we have reached already.)

The other case where a transgression seems clear and we often waste our own expiatory opportunities and even take on mortal sin unnecessarily is to believe that we are to do anything more than scripturally-directed; that is, “first, do try and approach our brothers and sisters directly, attempting to outline an example that follows our Lord’s teachings more closely than observed from your vantage point–within the specific context you observe what you believe may be sinful.
Second, approach Thy neighbour’s friends/family and appeal that they help their seemingly-falling brother or sister align better with our Lord’s teachings.
Third, appeal to the Church that the Church help either correct the behaviour or even, if necessary, distribute post-mortem salvation as mercifully it has mandate to do.

After that, to persist in trying to change another’s behaviour without their primary, secondary, and other knowledge, experience, entire life context within a context of all past, present, and future that only God knows the results of, given His knowledge of the results of our free will choices–is to play God in a most arrogant way that presumes we can know all hearts in all times past present and future.

It also wastes our own time focusing on self-righteousness that we could instead apply to our own expiation, even risking something as simple as the Sin of anger–why anyone would want to exchange as little time as we have left sinning when they could apply it to expiation is, obviously, beyond me–but what God has arranged for anyone else I cannot know–let alone know better….

Guest, and anyone else not realizing just how deep into End Times we are–if you ever find out one day who I am, you may by then both wish you’d taken even one second more of the advice I am required to pass on to you and have tried to do just now, a second time–as well as, I think, not at all wish you were me.

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