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Is a “conversation” on climate change desired, or a lecture? June 22, 2015

Posted by Tantumblogo in Basics, episcopate, error, foolishness, General Catholic, Papa, persecution, pr stunts, scandals, secularism, Society, the return, the struggle for the Church.

Much coverage of the most amazing papal document in the history of the past 2 seconds! has focused on the purported advocacy progressives see for one of their pet schemes to gain dominant control over political institutions and the economies of nations, in spite of any lack of a popular mandate, from the pope.  In short, it’s touted as an advocacy piece for mass intervention to stop purported anthropocentric global warming.

Not so fast, others say, there is copious language in the encyclical that is eminently Catholic and what is called for is actually a “grand discussion” on God’s creation, our use of it, and whether some global entity ought to be stood up to insure man’s duty to properly care for God’s gift of this world to us.

At the very least, it seems this Pope, with his extensive scientific credentials, is a firm believer in human caused global warming. The prime questions center around how authoritative his statements on this matter are (not at all), and what he wants to see done about it.  From all the material I’ve read, my takeaway from the 900 billion word encyclical is that, yes, Pope Francis wants some kind of “conversation” on climate change specifically and perceived enviro-threats, generally.

Which makes the following revelation from The Washington Post all the more interesting, or perhaps revealing.  It seems at the April climate change convocation at the Vatican that caused so much controversy, certain opinions were most assuredly NOT welcome:

Pope Francis was about to take a major step backing the science behind ­human-driven global warming, and Philippe de Larminat was determined to change his mind.

A French doubter who authored a book arguing that solar activity — not greenhouse gases — was driving global warming, de Larminat sought a spot at a climate summit in April sponsored by the Vatican’s Pontifical Academy of Sciences. Nobel laureates would be there. So would U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, U.S. economist Jeffrey Sachs and others calling for dramatic steps to curb carbon emissions.

After securing a high-level meeting at the Vatican, he was told that, space permitting, he could join. He bought a plane ticket from Paris to Rome. But five days before the April 28 summit, de Larminat said, he received an e-mail saying there was no space left. It came after other scientists — as well as the powerful Vatican bureaucrat in charge of the academy — insisted he had no business being there.

“They did not want to hear an off note,” de Larminat said……..

……..Papal advisers say Francis signaled his intent to draft a major document on the environment soon after assuming the throne of St. Peter in March 2013. His interest in the topic dates to his days as a bishop in Buenos Aires, where Francis, officials say, was struck by the effects of floods and unsanitary conditions on Argentine shantytowns known as “misery villages.”……[I will stake my reputation as an engineer and all future income I could possibly derive therefrom on this claim: global warming cooling climate change had absolutely NOTHING to do with these floods, which are cyclical.  This is simply an invalid connection]

……..Based on the people he recently appointed to his council for science, Francis was also seen to have made up his mind on the question of global warming. Some prominent conservatives — particularly economic and environmental conservatives — were consulted by the Vatican during the process, but “many were sort of shocked that none of their contributions made it in there,” Raymond Arroyo, news director at the Catholic mega-channel EWTN, said Friday…….

………De Larminat had a cordial meeting in March with Cardinal Peter Turkson, a senior member of the clergy and a key supporter of the pope’s encyclical. [And a former acolyte of Pope Benedict who has really switched sides.]At the meeting, both men said, Turkson promised to try to secure a space for the Frenchman at the April summit.

However, Bishop Marcelo Sánchez Sorondo, chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences…...effectively vetoed de Larminat’s presence. Asked why, Sánchez Sorondo responded in an e-mail, “because he’s not an academic authority in this field, neither a religious authority nor a U.N. authority.”……. [So this is about being an insider’s club?]

……….Sánchez Sorondo, however, denied that there had been significant internal opposition to the pope’s encyclical. He insisted that rather than from inside Vatican City, the primary pressure against its message had come from climate-change deniers — particularly in the United States. [You of course recall Archbishop Sorondo’s scandalous and calumnious invective against pro-life groups and others who question the truthfulness of “man-caused global warming” – and the even more appalling screed written by his major lay underling at the Pontifical Academy]

“But it is clear that this pope is very courageous,” said Sánchez Sorondo, who, like Francis, is an Argentine. “He is not a politician. He is not a diplomat. He is someone who is willing to say what others are afraid to say.”

I’d’ say, at the conclusion of this report, that the question in the lede is even more apt: is a “conversation” being called for, or is it really a lecture?  It seems Pope Francis has made up his mind on this subject.  It seems the Vatican holds that those who doubt climate change are illegitimate and dishonest actors.  This is how the left typically deals with dissent from their shibboleths – shut up, they said.  When a left-winger says they “want to have a conversation,” they mean they want you to do exactly what they say, all the while beating your breast for every holding a contrary opinion.  There seems to be more than just a bit of that mentality in the above.

This Archbishop Sorondo is quite informative.  A JPII appointee, he had been certainly on the progressive side but relatively mildly so until March 2013, but since has come out has a hardcore progressive ideologue.  Being an Argentine, he certainly knew Pope Francis well before his election.  He knew how the winds would blow, apparently.  He has been quite authoritarian in his leadership of this Academy of late, especially in the run up to the encyclical’s release.

BTW, do you agree with Rorate that the greatest encyclical in the history of the Church has already largely fallen out of the public eye and will soon be forgotten?  I’m sure our liberal Catholic frienemies will throw the bits they like in our face every chance they get, but beyond that………has the news cycle moved on and this “victory for the left” already been consigned to the tally sheet, there only to be remembered by a few specialists?

I really have no idea, I have no TV and don’t watch mainstream media, so I have no idea what they are saying.  But you might.


1. Baseballmom - June 22, 2015

One thing about the media narrative…. Most stuff has a shelf life of 2 or 3 days… Then it is on to the next big thing. Rush talked about it a bit this morning, mostly commenting on the very arrogant remarks by Cdl. Wuerl. It will get thrown in the faces of Catholic conservative candidates I am sure, when it suits the enemy to do so.

2. Frank - June 23, 2015

The encyclical may be consigned to the dustbin because the elites would have to give up their fancy cars, airplanes and stock in companies that are complicit in destroying the universe. Just follow the money and see how honest these ideologues are.

3. TLM - June 23, 2015

I loved the remarks in the ‘Encyclical’ about air conditioning. Gets pretty hot in Rome in the summer……I wonder if the Holy Father will insist on going ‘yesteryear’ with no air. Seems to me that there are a good number of people including Bishops and Cardinals in the Vatican that for health reasons rely on it. If we have a real heat wave, hmm….oh well, (possibly) score one for the population control zealots!

Tantumblogo - June 23, 2015

August has historically been the dying month for popes. That’s because elderly men generally do not take oppressive heat and humidity very well (even though Rome is wimpy by Texas standards). But you make a good point. The fact is, none of these prelates calling for huge changes in the standard of living for billions will suffer even slight inconvenience as a result, just as none of the leading lights of the climate change movement stop flying first class or living in luxurious palaces. This is all for the little people, you understand, the new peasantry. The middle class is annoying, the occasionally piece together enough money to actually visit the same high tone places the elites like to think their own, and that is SOOO annoying! Better to knock them down a bit and keep them from getting any ideas they are the elite’s equals.

Baseballmom - June 24, 2015

And keep them in government schools where they do not learn and government hospitals where they will not be healed.

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