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Support for sodo-marriage plummeting? Guess what? So is scout membership. July 27, 2015

Posted by Tantumblogo in abdication of duty, asshatery, disaster, error, foolishness, General Catholic, horror, It's all about the $$$, paganism, pr stunts, scandals, secularism, self-serving, sexual depravity, sickness, Society.

Interesting data reported here that support for pseudo-sodo-marriage has mysteriously fallen by nearly 10% over the course of a few weeks.  That would be an extremely fast fall from its previously reported high of 60%, achieved, surprise!, immediately prior to the diabolical Supreme Court Obergefell decision.   We’ll see if this number sticks or even drops further.  If so, my surmise would be that the numbers were cooked, probably in concert with the Obama administration, to create a perception of mass support and “inevitability”  that probably has never quite existed (we’re in dire shape even if sodo-marriage “only” has 30% support, however):

First the headline you never read: “New poll shows sharp drop in support for gay marriage.”   In May, Gallup reported a record 60 percent support for “allowing gays and lesbians to legally marry.” Reuters asked almost the same question in interviews taken mostly (but not completely) after Obergefell (June 26—July 8): “Do you support or oppose allowing same-sex couples to legally marry?” Just 51 percent of Americans said yes, a drop of  9 percentage points……..

……Just 37 percent agreed that “same-sex marriage laws should be made by the Supreme Court” (which might be partly an artifact of the fact that respondents were offered three other choices (state legislatures, voter referendum, and Congress).

51 percent said they favored the Court’s decision, mirroring the split over gay marriage itself (and suggesting procedural arguments about Constitutionalism don’t carry greater weight with voters than the issue itself). But just 46 percent said they would oppose a Constitutional Amendment, again suggesting a fundamental ambivalence and discomfort remains even among some titular gay marriage supporters……

………The “consensus” on gay marriage is painfully brittle and artificial, a product of the Left’s control of the narrative more than the power of their argument.

I agree.  That’s why the sexular pagans are moving so fast to consolidate their gains.  Which, speaking of, the Boy Scouts – soon to be America’s number one source for pederasty! – are also moving very fast to implement their new policy allowing perverse scout masters.  This temporary measure will probably not last 5 years, before religious affiliation is thrown under the bus under threat of lawsuit and ALL scout groups, regardless of religious affiliation, will be forced to accept deliberately placed sodomite leaders:

The Boy Scouts of America is expected on Monday to end its blanket ban on gay leaders — a turning point for an organization that has been in turmoil over the issue.

But some scouting groups will still be able to limit leadership jobs to heterosexuals.

To gain the acquiescence of conservative religious groups that sponsor many dens and troops, like the Mormon and Roman Catholic Churches, the policy will allow church-run units to pick leaders who agree with their moral precepts.

“There are differences of opinion, and we need to be respectful of them,” said Michael Harrison, a businessman who led the Boy Scouts in Orange County, Calif., and is one of many leaders who lobbied internally for change. “It doesn’t mean the Mormons have to pick a gay scoutmaster, but please don’t tell the Unitarians they can’t.”

Already struggling to reverse a long-term decline in membership, the Boy Scouts have been increasingly consumed over the last two decades by battles over the exclusion of gay people, divisions that threatened to fracture the organization. Conservative partners saw the policy as a bulwark against unwanted social change, but the Boy Scouts’ anti-gay stance was costing it public support and cachet as well as corporate funders, and lately has brought on the threat of costly lawsuits……..

[Now keep that in mind, and read this:]……After the vote to permit gay youths in 2013, some evangelical Christian churches ended their sponsorships, and membership declined by 6 percent, compared with declines of 2 percent to 4 percent in previous years. Youth membership fell again in 2014, by 7 percent.

And with this latest change, look for that decline to explode upwards even more.

So the Scouts have traded 13% of their membership – they’ve accepted the flight of nearly 400,000 boys in less than 2 years (because the policy was changed mid-year) – for “public support and cachet,” meaning, Robert Gates and other high-flying leaders won’t have to apologize to their leftist friends anymore over their involvement in the Boy Scouts.  That, and filthy lucre.  These Scouts are as far from the ideal created by Baden-Powell as can be.

A final note: AmChurch once again covers itself in glory (not) by its stalwart adherence to principle and full-throated defense of the Faith:

But Mr. Gates appears to have persuaded major sponsors, including the Mormons and the Roman Catholics, to accept the new policy for adults so long as their own units are given latitude. In a recent statement, the Mormon Church reiterated its “right to select Scout leaders who adhere to moral and religious principles that are consistent with our doctrines and beliefs.”

In May, after Mr. Gates’s plea, Edward P. Martin, chairman of the National Catholic Committee on Scouting, said: “We agree with Mr. Gates that there is cause to act. We also agree with Mr. Gates that chartered organizations must be allowed ‘to establish leadership standards consistent with their faith.’”

Get that: Edward P. Martin, at least as quoted, proclaims that Gates was RIGHT to open up leadership positions to those publicly given over to the sin of sodomy, a sin which cries to Heaven for vengeance.  Once again, individuals in leadership positions in the American Church go to great lengths to show themselves firmly part of the world and its fallen mores, rather than stand in clear opposition to continuing moral decline and apostasy from right faith.  It is pathetic that Mormons and evangelicals advance Christian morality far better than bureaucrats in the Church Christ instituted for that very purpose. What happens to the salt when it loses its flavor?

As I said above, it will not be 5 years before this policy is changed, too, and sodo-masters are foisted upon religiously backed Scout groups, too.  What will be the response of the USCCB, and individual bishops, then?  Forgive me if I am sanguine at the prospects.

Further defections are likely, especially by Southern evangelical members, said Jay L. Lenrow, a lawyer and voluntary Scouts executive from Baltimore who, like Mr. Harrison, has long pushed for change from within.

“But I think we’ve lost far more people over the last 14 or 15 years because we were not inclusive,” said Mr. Lenrow, who served as chairman of the National Jewish Committee on Scouting, among other senior roles.

Manifestly wrong.  Sexular paganists have no interest in Scouting, save for the symbolic victory to be gained by its subversion to perversion and the mass cultural rationalization. These are the same people who have always laughed to scorn those who do goofy things like pledge oaths to uphold the family and maintain decent living.  This self-inflicted gun shot wound to the Boy Scouts is just one more step in their long march through the institutions.  The fact that the Scouts haven’t lost anyone (statistically speaking) is borne out by the rapid collapse in membership after the first policy collapse in 2013, and as I said, this latest change will almost certainly cause the decrease to explode into the double digits at least for a few years.

Prediction: twenty to thirty years from now, the Boy Scouts, shrunken to well fewer than 1 million scouts, will cease to exist under a flurry of sex abuse lawsuits and near total abandonment by corporate sponsors.  And that, dear readers, has been the goal all along.

Thanks to MFG for the link to the DMN article.

So, maybe we should pray and protest outside the Boy Scouts’ national headquarters in Irving?  It’s only about 10 min from my house.



1. richardmalcolm1564 - July 27, 2015

“…we’re in dire shape even if sodo-marriage “only” has 30% support, however.” And I think we must accept that, whatever the percentage is that supports gay marriage, it is very substantial. And, more to the point, it’s higher as you move down in age cohorts. Millennials are fairly supportive of it. They’re also the least religious.

As for the Scouts, some of their decline can be attributed to long-term factors – declining fertility, declining engagement with social groups and organizations, growing preference for sports or or other activities, etc. I don’t doubt that the Scouts *have* lost some families of a progressive bent over their previous policy, just as I don’t doubt that they are now losing a considerable number of conservative, religious families with their ongoing pro-gay shift.

But it is a moot point now. It’s time for Catholics to start consolidating around Catholic-based scouting organizations, which already exist. The Boy Scouts are finished. Only sectarian based scouting organizations are going to be able to weather the winds blowing now. Hopefully at least some of our bishops are figuring that out now.

Tantumblogo - July 27, 2015

Excellent points and analysis all around. Thank you.

richardmalcolm1564 - July 27, 2015

It’s a shame; the Boy Scouts had a good run while they lasted. I have good memories of it.

But it’s clear that they’re willing to lose a lot of boys and a lot of troops to keep those corporate dollars flowing. Time to vote with our feet.

2. RC - July 27, 2015

Taylor Marshall formed a group called the Scouts of St. George that I have heard is pretty legit. Taylor goes to Mater Dei, maybe you could shed come light on this Tantum

Tantumblogo - July 28, 2015

Oh I’ve brought it up many times. But it’s called Troops of St. George. Search under that. You should find a lot of posts.

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