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Another survey, another confirmation of the near-total failure of catechesis in this country August 25, 2015

Posted by Tantumblogo in abdication of duty, Basics, different religion, error, foolishness, General Catholic, horror, It's all about the $$$, paganism, persecution, scandals, secularism, self-serving, sickness, Society, the struggle for the Church.
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I don’t know if it is even meaningful to report this stuff anymore.  Another survey out from yet another group shows that self-identified American Catholics hold views utterly indistinguishable on matters of grave moral import from the general population.  A majority of self-described Catholics – which includes the nearly half who haven’t darkened the door of a Church in years if not decades – thinks abortion should be legal in most or all cases, right along with the overall population.  A strong majority favors pseudo-sodo-marriage.  I’m sure if they asked about contraception a whopping majority would be in favor of that, too.

Acceptance of any of these items constitutes such a departure from the Faith revealed by Jesus Christ through His Church that it places the holder outside communion with the Church.  Their eternal salvation is in the gravest jeopardy and they do not have sanctifying grace within them.  Almost all responders are aware of the Church’s Doctrine on these matters.  They simply reject it out of hand.

The loss of each individual soul is a tragedy of infinite proportions.  And yet, as Our Lady of Fatima said to Lucia and the other children, souls today fall into hell like so many snowflakes.  Tragically, unbelievably given the mission of the Church, many of these souls are being actively encouraged in their fall by men who have betrayed their calling to be shepherds and spiritual fathers for souls.  The accounting these men will face will be a most horrible one.  Pray for them.

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51% of Catholics favor abortion in most or all cases.  60% favor pseudo-sodo-marriage.  A ginormous 73% think the US government “needs to do more to address the issue of climate change.”  72% think the trillions already spent on wealth transfers from more productive to less productive sectors of the economy are insufficient.

American Catholics are, thus, thoroughgoing progressives far more informed by the platform of the democrat party than they are the Doctrine of the Faith.

The abortion matter really steams me, there isn’t a soul alive with an IQ above 70 who doesn’t know what the Church believes regarding abortion, nor that abortion, stripped of all the euphemisms, involves murdering perfectly innocent babies.  It is also about the only moral issue on which there has been at least some catechesis at the parish level, but apparently not enough, since most American katholycs think it should remain legal.

Some more disturbing data, read this and see if you can keep your stomach from churning:

Catholics also do not differ markedly from the American public on the issue of same-sex marriage. A majority (55%) of Americans and six in ten (60%) Catholics favor allowing gay and lesbian couples to marry legally. Notably, roughly equal numbers of white Catholics (59%) and non-white Catholics (61%) support same-sex marriage. [No, Catholics actually favor pseudo-sodo-marriage substantially more than the general population.  5% is not a trifling amount.  Compared with believing protestants, the comparison is even more stark, and reveals the total failure to effectively catechize souls on this very important matter.  But it gets much, much worse….]

Most Catholics also do not believe same-sex marriage violates their basic religious principles and commitments. A majority (53%) of Catholics disagree that same-sex marriage goes against their religious beliefs, while 42% agree. However, white Catholics are far more divided than non-white Catholics. Nearly half (45%) of white Catholics believe gay marriage goes against their religious beliefs, compared to only about one-third (35%) of non-white Catholics. [If you read the data above, you will find that self-described Hispanic Catholics are as progressive as they come, holding progressive opinions by huge margins on all matters but abortion.  Continued mass immigration from Hispanic lands means making the United States into a much, much more socialistic and left-wing country, with all the implications for the destruction of morality, the good of souls, etc]

An even greater share (76%) of Catholics favor laws that would protect gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people against discrimination. Roughly one in five (21%) Catholics oppose this policy. [Not only are most katholycs progressive, they’re dumber than a box of rocks]

Notably, relatively few Catholics support a broad religious liberty exemption to nondiscrimination laws. Roughly two-thirds (65%) of Catholics oppose a policy that would allow small business owners to refuse products or services to gay and lesbian people, even if doing so goes against their religious beliefs. Twenty-eight percent of Catholics support such religious liberty exemptions. Also of note, a majority (58%) of Catholics who attend religious services at least weekly and a slim majority (51%) of Republican Catholics also oppose allowing small business owners to refuse services to gay and lesbian people on religious grounds. 

I’ve written many times that we would be tortured by self-described Catholics being our worst persecutors, even escorting pious souls to their martyrdom with hoots and jeers.  Believe me, now?  A HUGE majority (58% is huge) of those who assist at Mass weekly (probably most of them quite aged) oppose religious exemptions from servicing sodomites!  Keep praying to your god the TV, Amchurch katholycs!

One more bit, which provides some background for the bishop’s strenuous efforts in favor of continued, unconstrained Hispanic illegal immigration to this country:

Currently, roughly six in ten (59%) Catholics are white non-Hispanic, more than one-third (34%) identify as Hispanic, and seven percent identify as some other race or as mixed race. The ongoing ethnic transformation of the Catholic Church can also be seen in the stark ethnic differences among U.S. Catholics by age. Catholic seniors (age 65 and over) are roughly twice as likely as young Catholics (age 18-29) to be white (79% vs. 40%, respectively). And these younger Catholics—at 49% Hispanic—are on the cusp of becoming majority Hispanic.

So the Church, such as it is, will become only more progressive with time as the Hispanic portion of the Church increases.

Taking in all the above, it appears the average Amchurch katholyc wants money money money and to believe whatever the mass media tells them to believe, even to the point of seeing their co-religionists persecuted for accepting the constant belief and practice of the Faith.

Poor lost souls!  They must have fooled themselves – or allowed themselves to be fooled – into believing that no one goes to hell this side of Stalin or Hitler!  They wouldn’t know a Bible verse from Shakespeare.  Their priests and bishops have failed them to a degree that beggars the imagination. This Church is headed for a most severe reckoning, but we should rejoice if we have the Grace to remain faithful and suffer persecution in imitation of our Blessed Lord.

If we take the survey data above, and accept the survey’s finding that 22% of Americans self-identify as Catholic, also taking into account the fact that there is probably a lot of overlap between those holding heretical views on various matters but that the overlap is not total, I ask…….are there even 3 million actual believing Catholics in these United States, people who accept all the Doctrine of the Faith?

Comments

1. glmcreations - August 25, 2015

Failure? Look at it from the dissenters/liberals/schismatics/heretics,most-priests, most-bishops point of view-this is stunning success in incredibly minimal time, with very few resources expended. And now they have to turn less than 50% of the still-clueless catholics to the dark side of the force. They have been totally successful in co-opting “pay, pray, and obey.” And in the bargain they got us to pay out over $2,000,000,000.00 of our money for pederasty and pedophilia. Either they really know what they are doing, they are demonic, or both. Guy McClung, San Antonio, Texas

Tantumblogo - August 26, 2015

Yeah I suppose it’s necessary to clarify that when I say failure I am speaking from the perspective of the good of souls and the Church, as I understand it, anyway. But from the perspective of a different and hostile religion, as you point out, they have succeeded probably beyond their dreams. How many of our priests and bishops are actively committed to the creation of this different religion, and how many simply go along with what they think they are told, is difficult to discern

richardmalcolm1564 - August 26, 2015

How many of our priests and bishops are actively committed to the creation of this different religion, and how many simply go along with what they think they are told

It’s a mix of both. It always is.

It’s even probable there are more ‘go along” types than active willful modernist destroyers, especially these days.

2. Camper - August 26, 2015

By and large, the Church’s schools have taken away from us by the U.S. government. Official schools in this country have always been either Protestant or secular. That’s why it is important to shun many, and possibly most Protestants – because they have enforced Protestantism on our school system and refused to allow us to have our own. Even charter schools cannot be Catholic and everyone knows it. We must shun those who persist in taking our schools from us. Shunning works.

Tantumblogo - August 26, 2015

I don’t recall troops marching in and forcing Catholic schools to use awful progressive-leaning modernist-infested resources. Much of this is a self-inflicted wound stemming from federal dollars in Catholic education.

Camper - August 28, 2015

Taxation, tantum. Catholics have always been taxed in this country either for Protestant or secular schools. Then Catholics can’t afford to pay to learn theology. The power to tax is the power to destroy.

Tantumblogo - August 26, 2015

I should add, the bishops very very much desired that federal money.

3. richardmalcolm1564 - August 26, 2015

Well, that was depressing.

4. richardmalcolm1564 - August 26, 2015

The question is posed by Tantum: “are there even 3 million actual believing Catholics in these United States, people who accept all the Doctrine of the Faith?”

It may, in fact, be lower than that.

John Zmirak had a piece at The Catholic Thing (Feb. 2014) last year, which had one interesting, disturbing item in it:

“With the mass rejection of the natural law teaching presented in Humanae Vitae, the only people technically remaining as consciously orthodox Catholics was that 5 percent deeply interested in and committed to orthodoxy…

“It’s a very mixed bag. And a small one. A good friend of mine who works for a major Catholic publisher reported to me the results of some very pricey market research his company undertook, to turn up the actual size of the “orthodox Catholic market.” Many thousands of dollars later, his company learned that if you count Catholics who go to Mass more than once a week, or spend a single dollar on Catholic books or other media, or volunteer for any parish activity, the grand total for the United States of America is no higher than 1.2 million.

“That is the whole Catholic market. No wonder there isn’t enough revenue to go around. All the quarrels between traditionalists and Novus Ordo conservatives, between the lovers of Dorothy Day and fans of John Courtney Murray, are fights for pieces of this tiny pie. A pop tart, really.”

One might quibble with the definition being sought by the Catholic publisher; perhaps it’s not fair to measure what they spend on Catholic media. But based on this, I think it’s not unreasonable to say it’s got to be under 2 million.

“Welcome to AmChurch, where we’re really successful at creating ex-Catholics, or almost completely secularized Catholics.” Of course, the latter invariably leads to the former. And you can see that in the statistics on the youngest cohorts.

5. richardmalcolm1564 - August 26, 2015

The question is posed by Tantum: “are there even 3 million actual believing Catholics in these United States, people who accept all the Doctrine of the Faith?”

It may, in fact, be lower than that.

John Zmirak had a piece at The Catholic Thing (Feb. 2014) last year, which had one interesting, disturbing item in it:

“With the mass rejection of the natural law teaching presented in Humanae Vitae, the only people technically remaining as consciously orthodox Catholics was that 5 percent deeply interested in and committed to orthodoxy…

“It’s a very mixed bag. And a small one. A good friend of mine who works for a major Catholic publisher reported to me the results of some very pricey market research his company undertook, to turn up the actual size of the “orthodox Catholic market.” Many thousands of dollars later, his company learned that if you count Catholics who go to Mass more than once a week, or spend a single dollar on Catholic books or other media, or volunteer for any parish activity, the grand total for the United States of America is no higher than 1.2 million.

“That is the whole Catholic market. No wonder there isn’t enough revenue to go around. All the quarrels between traditionalists and Novus Ordo conservatives, between the lovers of Dorothy Day and fans of John Courtney Murray, are fights for pieces of this tiny pie. A pop tart, really.”

One might quibble with the definition being sought by the Catholic publisher; perhaps it’s not fair to measure what they spend on Catholic media. But based on this, I think it’s not unreasonable to say it’s got to be under 2 million.

“Welcome to AmChurch, where we’re really successful at creating ex-Catholics, or almost completely secularized Catholics.” Of course, the latter invariably leads to the former. And you can see that in the statistics on the youngest cohorts…

6. richardmalcolm1564 - August 26, 2015

The question is posed by Tantum: “are there even 3 million actual believing Catholics in these United States, people who accept all the Doctrine of the Faith?”

It may, in fact, be lower than that.

John Zmirak had a piece at The Catholic Thing (Feb. 2014) last year, which had one interesting, disturbing item in it:

“With the mass rejection of the natural law teaching presented in Humanae Vitae, the only people technically remaining as consciously orthodox Catholics was that 5 percent deeply interested in and committed to orthodoxy…

“It’s a very mixed bag. And a small one. A good friend of mine who works for a major Catholic publisher reported to me the results of some very pricey market research his company undertook, to turn up the actual size of the “orthodox Catholic market.” Many thousands of dollars later, his company learned that if you count Catholics who go to Mass more than once a week, or spend a single dollar on Catholic books or other media, or volunteer for any parish activity, the grand total for the United States of America is no higher than 1.2 million.

“That is the whole Catholic market. No wonder there isn’t enough revenue to go around. All the quarrels between traditionalists and Novus Ordo conservatives, between the lovers of Dorothy Day and fans of John Courtney Murray, are fights for pieces of this tiny pie. A pop tart, really.”

One might quibble with the definition being sought by the Catholic publisher; perhaps it’s not fair to measure what they spend on Catholic media. But based on this, I think it’s not unreasonable to say it’s got to be under 2 million.

“Welcome to AmChurch, where we’re really successful at creating ex-Catholics, or almost completely secularized Catholics.” Of course, the latter invariably leads to the former. And you can see that in the latest statistics on the youngest age cohorts.

manny - August 27, 2015

Just some back of the envelope calculations here. It seems like the number used for the % of homosexuals in the general population is on the order of 1%. I seem to recall that the population of the US is about 330 million. So that implies that there are about 3.3 million homosexuals in the US.

So, given the error bars involved with both estimates, it’s entirely possible that there are more homosexuals in this country than Catholics who accept all the Doctrine of the Faith.

Bravo AmChurch!

richardmalcolm1564 - August 27, 2015

Well, that’s a depressing prospect.

7. richardmalcolm1564 - August 26, 2015

For some reason my comments keep getting eaten here. Let me try again.

Tantum asks whether there are “3 million actual believing Catholics in these United States.” John Zmirak had a piece on The Catholic Thing last year that had an interesting observation that suggests it may not even be that much: “A good friend of mine who works for a major Catholic publisher reported to me the results of some very pricey market research his company undertook, to turn up the actual size of the “orthodox Catholic market.” Many thousands of dollars later, his company learned that if you count Catholics who go to Mass more than once a week, or spend a single dollar on Catholic books or other media, or volunteer for any parish activity, the grand total for the United States of America is no higher than 1.2 million. That is the whole Catholic market. No wonder there isn’t enough revenue to go around. All the quarrels between traditionalists and Novus Ordo conservatives, between the lovers of Dorothy Day and fans of John Courtney Murray, are fights for pieces of this tiny pie. A pop tart, really.”

Maybe it’s not quite that bad. But I wager it’s not over 2 million.

Tantumblogo - August 26, 2015

I just freed it. When it happens, the best thing to do is to leave another short comment letting me know one didn’t appear. I’ll go free it immediately. Trying over and over to repost the same one just gets you flagged more by akismet as spam. But it seems other folks sending a

richardmalcolm1564 - August 26, 2015

Thanks, Tantum!

Well, it seems I now have two versions of what I wanted to say in this thread. Feel free to delete one of them, if you like.

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