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Pope Francis proposes an Anglican model for the Church October 19, 2015

Posted by Tantumblogo in Basics, different religion, disaster, episcopate, error, General Catholic, horror, Papa, scandals, secularism, self-serving, Society, SOD, the struggle for the Church.

The “synodality” and devolution of Doctrine to regional episcopal conferences strongly hinted at by Pope Francis in his watershed speech before the Synod on Saturday struck me as being amazingly similar to the structure and operation of the Anglican and Episcopal so-called churches.  Those bodies, riven with strife and dividing and re-dividing against themselves on an almost annual basis, feature local decisions on Doctrine and practice so at odds with one another that many within the “Anglican communion” cannot comprehend how it can persist very far into the future.

Most all of the doctrinal revolution has occurred in the developed world, with the smattering of Anglicans in South America not far behind, while the only region in the world where Anglicanism is really growing – Africa – remains much more steadfast in adherence to traditional Christian beliefs.  What exists today is several sects within the communion at war with each other, the Africans frequently lambasting the doctrinal deviations of the Episcopals in North American and the Anglicans in Europe.  Many, many splinter groups of relative conservatives have broken union with the Episcopal Church USA and have placed themselves in a tenuous relationship under some African prelate.  There is so much chaos in these conservative groupings that frequently even very involved lay people have no idea who their bishop is.  Meanwhile, no one is quite sure what to believe and division and animosity between the various groups are amped up to the point that they literally refuse to have anything to do with the others.  The radical leftists who dominate the leadership of the Episcopal church in particular (primarily due to conservative flight) have been savage in their repression of dissenting (meaning, much more traditional) views and very hard-hearted in their treatment of those who break away, frequently suing small groups to deny them possession of the church property they themselves paid for.

The failure of the Anglican/Episcopal model is apparent for anyone to see.  Both are in the midst of a total freefall in membership, donations, conversions…..in every measure of a Christian sect’s vital life.  Pope Francis appears to wish to visit this experience on the Catholic Church, which has already experienced its own free-fall due to the flirtation with leftism/modernism stemming from Vatican II and its “spirit.”  As the 13 relatively orthodox cardinals noted, any further departures down this line of leftism/modernism will only lead to more implosion in the Church.  No wonder Pope Francis was so desired by the heterodox bishops and cardinals who illicitly and illegally arranged for his election.

Francis’ speech, as Rorate Caeli noted, simply expanded on thoughts already released in Evangelii Gaudium, perhaps the most problematic apostolic exhortation in the history of the Church (emphasis from Rorate):

32. Since I am called to put into practice what I ask of others, I too must think about a conversion of the papacy. It is my duty, as the Bishop of Rome, to be open to suggestions which can help make the exercise of my ministry more faithful to the meaning which Jesus Christ wished to give it and to the present needs of evangelization. Pope John Paul II asked for help in finding “a way of exercising the primacy which, while in no way renouncing what is essential to its mission, is nonetheless open to a new situation”. We have made little progress in this regard. The papacy and the central structures of the universal Church also need to hear the call to pastoral conversion. The Second Vatican Council stated that, like the ancient patriarchal Churches, episcopal conferences are in a position “to contribute in many and fruitful ways to the concrete realization of the collegial spirit”.Yet this desire has not been fully realized, since a juridical status of episcopal conferences which would see them as subjects of specific attributions, including genuine doctrinal authority, has not yet been sufficiently elaborated. Excessive centralization, rather than proving helpful, complicates the Church’s life and her missionary outreach. [So why did Rome and the papacy, in the fullness of time, gradually come to accumulate ALL doctrinal authority vice local synods?  It was because heresies inevitably arose out of these synods and patriarchates, especially the eastern ones!  It was done because, doctrinally, only Peter is preserved from doctrinal error, should he choose to invoke that protection.  Pope Francis appears to want to send the Church 1500 years back in time and leave the Church exposed to endless heresy, strife, and division.]

33. Pastoral ministry in a missionary key seeks to abandon the complacent attitude that says: “We have always done it this way”. I invite everyone to be bold and creative in this task of rethinking the goals, structures, style and methods of evangelization in their respective communities. A proposal of goals without an adequate communal search for the means of achieving them will inevitably prove illusory. I encourage everyone to apply the guidelines found in this document generously and courageously, without inhibitions or fear. The important thing is to not walk alone, but to rely on each other as brothers and sisters, and especially under the leadership of the bishops, in a wise and realistic pastoral discernment.

Now Rorate comments:
When Evangelii Gaudium was published in November 2013, we at Rorate immediately grasped the central importance of this passage, which is why we chose to highlight it. The reality is that for all the talk of “conspiracies” and “muddling through” in this pontificate, Francis and his closest advisers (Cardinals Maradiaga and Abp. Tucho Fernandez in particular) have been nothing if not clear about their intentions for “deep, total and irreversible” change in the Church. This passage in EG could not be any clearer about the direction where Francis wants the Church to go. [And his speech seems to indicate he wants to go there NOW]
If ever a measure of doctrinal authority were to be devolved to the bishops’ conferences, then Rome would be faced with a never-ending battle to regulate, limit or claim back that authority. The damage to the papacy’s authority and the chaos that would spread throughout the universal Church are too terrible to contemplate. If we were talking here of local Churches deeply rooted in Tradition and jealous in guarding their ancient theological, liturgical and canonical heritage then there would be much less disquiet (even though the idea of doctrinal “devolution” would still be thoroughly unacceptable from a traditional Catholic point of view). Unfortunately, a genuine sense of Tradition has largely disappeared in our Church, and any “devolution” of “doctrinal authority” will most certainly result in numerous hierarchies hastening all the more to be guided by the spirit of the world. [My emphasis.  I could not agree more. This is a program for the irrevocable liberal prostestantization of the Church, which is what this wicked, perverse generation of prelates has wanted all along.  
You can see how the game has been rigged – we’ve had 50+ years of devolution of the episcopate around the world, with more and more men elevated to the episcopate who simply lack essential elements of the Catholic Faith.  The vast majority of bishops today are heterodox – even heretical – on one subject or another.  Most are heterodox on a very many subjects, because the Faith is a tightly interconnected whole, rejection of one thread of which leads to the rejection of scads of others.
So now, after the episcopate has been, by and large, divorced from orthodoxy, now comes the push to give them genuine doctrinal authority.  What chaos will result from this, only God knows, but anyone with a brain and a modicum of knowledge of the very poor state of the episcopate today has to be terrified by this proposal.

I’ll be damned if I left Episcopalianism for the Catholic Church just to see the Church become Episcopalian.  But that is just what the 13 cardinals prophesy will occur in the Church should Pope Francis’ simply un-Catholic proposals be enacted.

We’re down to faith and hope now. My charity is long gone out the window.


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2. guy Mcclung - October 19, 2015

A LA the return, based on justice and truth, of property [real and personal] to victims of communist and national socialist regimes, eg East Germany and Nazi Reich, should not the property taken and given to the Anglican church be returned to the Roman Catholic Church, especially now with the demise of the Anglican “communion”? I have seen lovely churches in the UK which have been sold and are now Indian Cuisine Restaurants and Pizza Take Away businesses. Some fo these are probably RC property. And it would be incredibly easy, at least as regards the real property and some buildings (we called some of them “cathedrals”) to identify these properties. I doubt the Anglicans would care. Guy McClung, San Antonio, Texas (ps: spread the word, yes, the Nazis were “socialists”)

3. tg - October 19, 2015

Thanks for the interesting link. I will not belong to a church that accepts homosexuality and adultery. If I was a bishop, I would say the prayer that St. Alexander said when the Arian heresy threatened to destroy the church.

4. Michael - October 19, 2015

Why is this a surprise? These are the fruits of ecumenism and collegiality in full bloom.

The Society came into being fighting these errors in Rome itself, while others were content only to secure their Latin Mass, smiling and nodding to the Concilliar errors.

This battle is now coming to a neighborhood near you. Time to support those priests unafraid to denounce the errors of Vatican II and call a spade a spade.


5. A Mom - October 19, 2015

Well you’re still slogging through all of this mess and posting about it to help warn and educate the rest of us, so I don’t think you’re quite out of charity just yet. I know what you mean, though.

These are exhausting times, and yet we don’t have the luxury of allowing ourselves to be exhausted. Were it possible, I would think that God has greatly overestimated my strength.

6. Christopher Ekstrom - October 19, 2015

If the Pope is not Catholic then how can we remain? I am investigating the Melkite Church. It is in communion with Rome; but not captive to this Red Jesuit Argentinian wrecker!

7. Janet Kilb - October 19, 2015

Francis is the “destroyer” who St. Francis himself talked about in his prophecy before he died! How ironic or even perhaps on purpose that he took his name as pope!!

8. hans castorp - October 20, 2015

You’ve nailed it. FrancisChurch: Episcopalians with lousy music.

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