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A sobering assessment of Bergoglio’s tenure as head of the Jesuits in Argentina October 27, 2015

Posted by Tantumblogo in Basics, different religion, disaster, episcopate, General Catholic, Papa, religious, scandals, secularism, Society, SOD, the struggle for the Church.

Wow.  This apparently dates from 2013. I don’t know if the quote was obtained before or after the conclave, but I tend to imagine given the subject matter, after.  Via Rorate, a very critical view of Pope Bergoglio’s tenure as head of the Jesuit order in Argentina:

“Yes I know Bergoglio [, says a Jesuit superior from another Latin American country]. He’s a person who’s caused a lot of problems in the Society and is highly controversial in his own country.

In addition to being accused of having allowed the arrest of two Jesuits during the time of the Argentinian dictatorship, as provincial he generated divided loyalties: some groups almost worshipped him, while others would have nothing to do with him, and he would hardly speak to them. It was an absurd situation. He is well-trained and very capable, but is surrounded by this personality cult which is extremely divisive.He has an aura of spirituality which he uses to obtain power. It will be a catastrophe for the Church to have someone like him in the Apostolic See. He left the Society of Jesus in Argentina destroyed with Jesuits divided and institutions destroyed and financially broken. We have spent two decades trying to fix the chaos that the man left us.”

Paul Vallely [more here]

Pope Francis: Untying the Knots

Wow.  One might say, well, this is just another anonymous source speaking boldly, they may have an agenda, they may be disaffected, they may have an ax to grind, etc.

But given what we’ve seen in the past 32 months, with a visible and growing factionalism in the Church (which really just brought the existing factions more out into the open), and the marked contrast in Pope Francis’ behavior with regard to the various factions (showering praise and benefits on those aligned with him, frequently hotly disputing and even insulting those he apparently dislikes), it would seem to lend some credence to the claims made above.

That the Jesuits in Argentina are a mess I have no doubt.  Of course, there have been incredible problems with the Jesuits going back a century or more, ever since a number of Jesuits like George Tyrell decided to embrace the modernist heresy.  They’ve been the leading advocates for modernism ever since, especially since their “sainted” acolyte Teilhard de Chardin received such huge acclaim within the order. Worldwide, a few notable exceptions aside, the Jesuits have been a broken institution for a very long time.

I agree with Rorate on a tweet they made, too: it is well past time for a future pontiff (as it surely won’t be this one) to examine whether the Society of Jesus should be suppressed again.  It’s not just Bergoglio, it’s not just Argentina, throughout the world Jesuits have been in the vanguard of advancing the revolution against the Church.  Just last week I posted disastrous comments from another Jesuit prelate.  However, some claim that the order has already been purged of its most heretical elements.  I don’t know about that, the vision of Cardinal Carlo Martini, SJ, is being visited on the Church in this current pontificate.  And once an order develops such a well-earned reputation for heresy and revolutionary ideals, it is perhaps time to suppress it entirely and try to reconstitute it again – if needed – some decades later, after all current players are long in the ground.

Increasingly, I have come to believe the Jesuits were created by God to serve a specific need in the Church at a specific time, and while I have generally read in histories that Clement XIII’s suppression of the order was a very bad thing, maybe it wasn’t so bad after all.  In addition, there are those who claim that the Jesuits, for all the good they accomplished in the Counter-Reformation, seriously imbalanced Catholic thought, and paved the way for the invasion of rationalism and modernism, with their extreme focus on reason and the intellect, and lack of embrace of emotional, spiritual side of the Church.  That’s the claim of Dr. Geoffrey Hull in a book I recommend, The Banished Heart.

In spite of the strong support he’s received from progressive quarters of the Church, I’d bet my lunch money and more besides that this will be the last Jesuit pope for a very long time.


1. Visitor - October 27, 2015

Just FYI, Father Peter Carota is very ill, and has asked for prayers.

2. James Kevin Richardson - October 27, 2015

Sadly, any “bet” that we won’t see another Jesuit on the throne for a long time involved the risk of far more than all of our lunch money.

3. Branch - October 27, 2015

I think the Jesuits actually accentuated the emotional, spiritual side, probably now to the detriment of Scholastic theology and the intellect.

4. tg - October 27, 2015

I read that before about the Pope. I can’t remember where. There’s also an open letter to the Pope from an a woman from Argentina that knew him.

5. Murray - October 27, 2015

Hey, remember when everyone freaked out at Rorate for publishing this at the time of the election? The Horror! A Buenos Aires journalist describes Bergoglio

Good times, eh? Lucky for us none of that turned out to be correct!

6. camper - October 27, 2015

Tantum, I saw that a while back on Rorate. I’m suprised you haven’t.

7. MFG - October 27, 2015


Could you explain briefly what emotional/spiritual side was missing from Jesuit spirituality? I’m confused and think emotional means Life teen Mass, so I’m wondering what traditional emotional component means.

Tantumblogo - October 27, 2015

The loving heart of God. I should say, I don’t fully agree with Dr. Hull’s claim, I think he takes a valid point much too far, but he argues that Jesuit influence in the Church robbed it of the mystical, spiritual relationship that should exist between souls and God and turned the Faith into an almost entirely intellectual exercise. He thinks they robbed the Church of her beating heart, her love for God. The love each of us should feel for the redemption that has been opened up to us, all the myriad gifts we receive in life and through the Church, etc. Our faith should be more than just an intellectual assent, though that is important, there should be an affair of the heart involved too.

8. S. Armaticus - October 27, 2015

And to think that the Vatican diplomatic service knew about this crack pot all along. The real story is in the war within the Secretariat of State. If you recall, it was Sodano that the Team Bergoglio cardinals rallied around post BXVI abdication announcement. If anyone is to blame, that is where I would look first.

Also check out Fr. Blakes blog today. He has more on this….

Tantumblogo - October 27, 2015

The Secretariat of State is simply the progressives entrenched base of operations. It was given over to progressive factions all the way back in the time of Pius XII, when Montini was acting secretary of state. Yes it’s been a major factor in recent papal dramas, but in the even broader sweep of the struggle between orthodox Catholicism and modernism, it’s but one front in a very large war.

9. richardmalcolm1564 - October 27, 2015


“However, some claim that the order has already been purged of its most heretical elements.”

It’s more the case that they’re dying off. Certainly in the West, at any rate.

“Increasingly, I have come to believe the Jesuits were created by God to serve a specific need in the Church at a specific time.”

There may be something to that. I actually am of the opinion, increasingly, that there is a good deal of truth in Hull’s theory; and yet, it is also true that the Jesuits made so many of the successes of the Counter Reformation Church even possible – the retrieval of Poland (without the Jesuits, it would likely have been lost), and much of central Europe besides, to say nothing of their amazing early missionary efforts. Yet since their restoration in the mid-19th century, they’ve been more a force for harm than good.

A suppression was proposed (in more than one form) in the 1980’s. It was squashed due to curial opposition. Some kind of suppression seems just as urgent today, even if it is one that attempts to salvage an orthodox rump out of it in some new order. But that would require a pope with real energy, and very high pain tolerance.

10. richardmalcolm1564 - October 27, 2015


“Hey, remember when everyone freaked out at Rorate for publishing this at the time of the election? The Horror! A Buenos Aires journalist describes Bergoglio.”

A lot of it has turned out to be true; yet I think it’s also true that by getting that out in less than an hour after his name was read from the loggia of St. Peter’s, it seems to have created a “cry wolf” reaction in which so much that they reported or said afterward was dismissed, not least because of the problematic background of the Argentine traditionalist source they gave voice to, Marcelo González.

11. tg - October 28, 2015

Father Malachi Martin wrote a book about the Jesuits and how they betrayed the Catholic church. It’s a very detailed and has all their history.

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