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Pope: “God is Father and Mother” December 3, 2015

Posted by Tantumblogo in abdication of duty, Basics, different religion, disaster, Domestic Church, Papa, pr stunts, Revolution, scandals, secularism, SOD, the struggle for the Church.
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What can one say anymore? I agree with Rorate, this is a statement with enormous, and dire, implications.  It will be used and abused by feminists and similar types for years, probably decades, to come.  Also contained in this rambling discourse are further condemnations of the Church’s 2000 year defense of Doctrine as “exclusive.”  Yes, the Church is exclusive, and so is Heaven, but that doesn’t play well in the radical egalitarianism beloved by those given over to a libertine, progressive mindset.

Rorate’s quote is quite long. I’m short of time and have had a long day, so I’ll only quote the most key parts:

Pope Francis: The theme of mercy has been strongly accentuated in the life of the Church, since Pope Paul VI. John Paul II stressed it strongly with Dives in Misericordia, the canonization of Saint Faustina and the institution of the Feast of Divine Mercy on the Octave of Easter. [How many readers have problems with Divine Mercy as proposed by Saint Faustina?  I know [a good number do.  I waver.]

…….My first Angelus as Pope was on God’s mercy and, on that occasion, I also spoke of a book on mercy which was given to me by Cardinal Walter Kasper during the conclave……The world is in need of discovering that God is Father, that there is mercy, that cruelty isn’t the way, that condemnation isn’t the way, because the Church herself sometimes follows a hard line, she falls into the temptation of following a hard line, into the temptation of stressing only the moral rules, many people are excluded. [Again touting Cardinal Kasper.  Hinting at what may come in the post-synodal exhortation?  It is not cruel to condemn, if that condemnation leads to repentance, that repentance to conversion, and that conversion to everlasting life. As a matter of fact, it is the modern indifferentism, and pretense that grave sin isn’t, that “mistakes” don’t really matter to God, thus totally blocking the process of conversion, that is cruel. It is the cruelty of the world against the true mercy of God.  Once again we see Pope Francis quite clearly state that the pre-conciliar Church was unmerciful.]

……Q:  Can the Jubilee of Mercy be an occasion to rediscover God’s ”maternity”?

……. Yes, He himself affirms it when He says in Isaiah that perhaps a mother can forget her child, a mother can also forget her child … “I, instead, will never forget you.”……..Therefore, I prefer to use <the word> tenderness, proper to a mother, the tenderness of God, tenderness born from the paternal insides. God is Father and Mother. [So because the Holy Ghost inspired an allusion to a mother, that means God is a Mother-figure?  That’s an unreachable stretch.]

…….To discover it will lead us to have a more tolerant, more patient, more tender attitude. In 1994, during the Synod, in a meeting of groups. it was said that a revolution of tenderness should be established, and a Synodal Father  — a good man, whom I respect and love – then very elderly, said that it wasn’t appropriate to use this language and he gave me reasonable explanations [So we should thus conclude, that it was Bergoglio who made this intervention in favor of a “revolution of tenderness?”] , from an intelligent man, but I continue to say that today the revolution is that of tenderness because justice stems from here as does all the rest [Ideologue: (n) one who holds to a notion or idea in spite of all contrary evidence] ……..The revolution of tenderness is what we have to cultivate today as the fruit of this Year of Mercy: God’s tenderness towards each one of us. Each one of us must say: “I am an unfortunate man, but God loves me thus, so I must also love others in the same way.”

Q: Can you anticipate to us a gesture you intend to make during the Jubilee to give testimony of God’s mercy?

Pope Francis: So many gestures will be made, but on a Friday of every month I will make a different gesture.

Oy vey.  Here comes another push for trashing the Liturgy – even more than it already has been – through “inclusive language.”

I fear Rorate’s closing note is right:

In the abusively “ultramontane” (or pseudo-ultramontane) atmosphere of the Franciscan papacy, where liberals and their conservative fellow-travelers defend everything that falls from the mouth of Francis as pure orthodoxy, one does not have to be very imaginative to realize how much the enemies of the faith will make use of this erroneous expression. [Indeed]Keep in mind that the Pope affirmed, in this interview, that the Jubilee of Mercy will be an occasion to “rediscover” the “maternity” of God. 

As of late, not a week has passed without an ambiguous or problematic expression coming from the Pope and causing immense confusion and difficulty for the already-besieged, outnumbered, and often-demoralized defenders of Catholic orthodoxy. It would seem that during the Jubilee of Mercy, things are about to get even worse.

Ultramontanism run amok – hypermontanism – is a grave disorder in the Church today.  It is the prime mode of operation for the crisis.  “This is impermissible!”

“But the Pope said it.”

“Oh, well……ok, then.”

We already have severe problems in the Church, and in so many domestic churches, where proper understanding and operation of the roles of father and mother, male and female, have been not just lost, but corrupted and turned upside down.  This kind of language is profoundly unhelpful, and even more, dangerous.  I fear it will give renewed vigor to efforts like the feminist push for “inclusive language” in the Liturgy.  Heck, why stop there, we can’t have cisnormative, heteronormative language in the Liturgy, either, right!  Bugnini and his acolytes intended the liturgical revolution to be a perpetual motion machine, never stopping, forever grinding the Mass (and other Sacraments) down into meaningless, perfectly ineffective modernist gibberish.

I’m out of time.  What a mess. Our Lady, have mercy on us.  Pray for us!  Christe eleison!

Comments

1. Murray - December 4, 2015

Shortly after the Synod, I predicted the following in a comment over at Crisis:

…now that he realizes that he has wasted almost two years with his failed synodal strategy, he will begin to speed up, as his biographer Archbishop Fernandez predicted. Expect the steady stream of papal interviews, pronouncements, and gestures to turn into a torrent. Expect an increase in the aggression and vehemence of papal tirades against those who hold to the Ancient Faith. Expect to see apostolic exhortations, motu proprio, letters, and perhaps even encyclicals undermining orthodoxy.

As of now, only the last sentence remains unfulfilled, and I expect that hole to be patched shortly, God forbid.

I understand that Vatican politics are largely Italian politics, in which most maneuvering is done behind the scenes, and we hear that a large proportion of the Curia and the prelature is deeply opposed to this pope’s plans, whether for good or bad reasons. But how long can they go on like this? How long can orthodox bishops and cardinals remain silent in the face of a pope who informs us almost every day that he is intent on doing lasting damage to the Church?

2. Guest - December 4, 2015

Just because the world calls him “pope” doesn’t make him one. A pope must be Catholic.

3. Lynne - December 4, 2015

“It would seem that during the Jubilee of Mercy, things are about to get even worse.” That boggles the mind… Back to my spiritual reading! “The Practice of Christian and Religious Perfection” is very good.

4. camper - December 4, 2015

Hey Tantum. Don’t know if you’re up for another scoop or not. Here goes: Norway’s gov’t removes Christian children because they’re being “indoctrinated.”

5. camper - December 4, 2015

Hey Tantum, I mentioned the Norwegian gov’t’s capture of four christian children because of indoctrination but didn’t include the link. The post didn’t show. Here it is:
http://www.wnd.com/2015/12/norway-seizes-kids-over-familys-christian-indoctrination/

6. ForThoseILove - December 4, 2015

It is very telling, to me, that you find Our Lord’s Mercy Messages to Saint Faustina, as wrong. I can only assume, that you are not in the Catholic Church, but in SPPX. Yes, we have had bad Popes, but, Saint Pope John Paull II is not one of them. Shame on you.

Just because Pope Francis is messed up “big time” doesn’t mean everything he says is infallible because it is not. Often he is speaking his own prejudicial whims; and it is very obvious, when he speaks “for God” and when he speaks “for the devil.” His sins are as plain, as the nose on your face. But, Saint Pope John Paull II was a very good Pope, as was Pope Benedict XVI.

You really showed your hand, on this one! I’ll pray for you.

Branch - December 4, 2015

He said he wavered. He didn’t say categorically they are wrong. Perhaps you could show some mercy and be understanding when one is having trouble coming to grips with something they find difficult and avoid placing an undue burden on them.

For if you’d like to be technical about it, no one has to accept those messages because they are private revelation. The fact that those private revelations have become more or less part of the Liturgy in the new rite (Sunday after Easter or Divine Mercy Sunday) is to me a point of confusion, one that I struggle with in good faith. I imagine others like the blogger struggle in good faith as well.

RC - December 4, 2015

Tantum, it looks like Edward Pentin is going to have another Vatican scandal to write. As I’m sure you’ve already read, Rorate has a new article with insight from Fr. Pio Pace, who has been accurate on everything the last 2 years, that the post synodal document has been ready since September, and was written by Baldiserri, Forte, et al, to favor the Kasperite proposal, all under the guise of the Year of Mercy! I guess we now know why the synod and holy year were called, and it’s turning out to be quite the unholy year

Didn’t Fr. Malachy Martin say that part of the 3rd secret of Fatima that there would be an apostate pope? Also, the Prophecy of St. Francis stated that a future pope would come not as a shepherd but as a destroyer, if these last 2 years have showed anything, it’s that Francis is not a shepherd. Given Bergoglio’s actions over the last 2 years, I think we are heading towards a culmination of prophesies. At what exact point has Francis apostasized or become a heretic? I think there is sufficient evidence that he has already done so.

ForThoseILove - December 10, 2015

God is Mercy and Justice. Jesus showed us this on the cross and after His Resurrection when he forgave Peter

Tim - December 4, 2015

A good article on the Divine Mercy Phenomenon:

http://www.angelusonline.org/index.php?section=articles&subsection=show_article&article_id=2895

I am not interested in another SSPX debate so I will simply correct your statement that shows ignorance….the SSPX is in the Church…..Pope Francis’ action of giving regular jurisdiction for the “Year of Mercy” counters your statement. The true schismatics and heretics like the Orthodox, the Anglicans, the Lutherans, etc. received no such “favor”(it is in reality not an act of kindness or charity but of justice). The SSPX is fully Catholic, the modernists and the folks they endlessly and fruitlessly “dialogue” with are not.

God Bless you this Advent.

ForThoseILove - December 9, 2015

No the SSPX has not repented of its anti-papal authority since Vatican II. Pope Francis allowed your Confessions to be valid.

7. RC - December 4, 2015

Tantum, it looks like Edward Pentin is going to have another Vatican scandal to write. As I’m sure you’ve already seen, Rorate has a new article with insight from Fr. Pio Pace, who has been accurate on everything the last 2 years, that the post synodal document has been ready since September, and was written by Baldiserri, Forte, et al, to favor the Kasperite proposal, all under the guise of the Year of Mercy! I guess we now know why the synod and holy year were called, and it’s turning out to be quite the unholy year

Also, didn’t Fr. Malichy Martin say that the 3rd secret of Fatima said that there would be an apostate pope? The Prophecy of St. Francis also talked about a pope, not canonically elected, coming as a destroyer and not as a shepherd. The more that keeps being revealed about Francis, the more it seems like we are headed towards the fulfillment of several prophesies, and it’s gonna be ugly. Francis is unlike any other pope in our 2,000 year history, at what exact point does he become an apostate or heretic?

8. RC - December 4, 2015

Tantum, it looks like Edward Pentin is going to have another Vatican scandal to write. As I’m sure you’ve already read, Rorate has a new article with insight from Fr. Pio Pace, who has been accurate on everything the last 2 years, that the post synodal document has been ready since September, and was written by Baldiserri, Forte, et al, to favor the Kasperite proposal, all under the guise of the Year of Mercy! I guess we now know why the synod and holy year were called, and it’s turning out to be quite the unholy year

Didn’t Fr. Malachy Martin say that part of the 3rd secret of Fatima that there would be an apostate pope? Also, the Prophecy of St. Francis stated that a future pope would come not as a shepherd but as a destroyer, if these last 2 years have showed anything, it’s that Francis is not a shepherd. Given Bergoglio’s actions over the last 2 years, I think we are heading towards a culmination of prophesies. At what exact point has Francis apostasized or become a heretic? I think there is sufficient evidence that he has already done so.

9. David - December 4, 2015

Tantumblogo:

This may be old news, but a few Weeks ago Edward Pentin had a good article that Pope Francis warned the German bishops (like Kasper) that the Church in Germany is a mess, and needs to be cleaned up. Pentin also reported that priests in Germany are lackadaisical on attending Reconciliation, and Pope Francis stressed that needed to change.

One sad thing: CNN, MSNBC, and other media outlets failed to report this worthy news item. I wish this would have been made more public, particularly since the Synod had concluded.


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