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Michael Voris’ Church abuse story, and the importance of having witnesses December 4, 2015

Posted by Tantumblogo in different religion, disaster, episcopate, General Catholic, horror, paganism, scandals, secularism, sexual depravity, sickness, Society, unadulterated evil, Voris.

Wow.  Quite a revelation.  I really appreciate the honesty.  I’ve had some very strong disagreements with some of CMTVs editorial stands of late, but all that goes out the window when it comes to matters like this, which cut to the heart of the crisis in the Church. Consider it a counterpart to yesterday’s post regarding three very bad Texas priests:

“They take responsibility for nothing, they own up to nothing.”  Fuggin’ a.  I know exactly what you mean.


  1. Never trust authorities in the hierarchy of the establishment Church
  2. Always keep copies, many copies.  Even have dead drops if possible, if you have really explosive/damaging material.
  3. Always have witnesses if possible.  I cannot stress that enough.  If you are pursuing some matter, especially abuse related or something related to sins against the 6th and 9th Commandments, insist  on witnesses or that meetings be in public places.  These are not well men.  They will do almost anything to keep their sinecures and continue in their sins.
  4. Remember that almost everyone in the hierarchy today – even if they were not a bishop when the abuse scandal was at its height 10 years ago – is somehow tainted by this scandal.  First of all, they knew it was going on.  So let that knowledge guide your dealings with them.

It’s almost easy, over time, to forget about the horror of the boy rape scandal.  That’s why I use that harsh term – boy rape, because that’s what it was – to make it harder to forget.  Michael Voris was abused, by the system, by Notre Dame, by callous administrators, by a sicko priest.  But most were not fortunate enough to get off with mere abuse, many more were raped, had their 11 year old bodies torn open, bled for days, experienced a kind of shame nothing human can fix, permanently lost their faith, lost their ability to have faith……and a whole bunch of faithless mother $@×#€&s who pretend to be shepherds of souls covered it up.  They are STILL covering it up.  Yes they throw priests under the bus as soon as possible if anything breaks to the surface, but there is a whooooole lot of stuff from the past they are still sitting on.

When men who have sworn solemn vows to remain celibate not only fornicate, but do so in the most perverse manner possible……would we really expect them to have compunction about much of anything else?


1. Blogmaster - December 5, 2015

To me, the mystery is why Voris isn’t just as angry at the current pontiff who is every bit as much a spiritual vandal as the loathesome creatures he encountered at ND, every bit a part of that same corrupt establishment.

Peter - December 5, 2015

I think Voris was implying as much when he said the evil was still present but manifesting itself in a different way.

2. Peter - December 5, 2015

Perhaps we should get a fund together to hire a PI to document the transgressions of the most obvious suspect priests and bishops, start with the low hanging fruit, if you will. If the bishops won’t clean house, we need to.

camper - December 5, 2015

SOUNDS WONDERFUL. I wish I could spare some money.

camper - December 7, 2015

Tantum. I don’t have a blog, but would you consider using yours to find someone who would collect the money for this? It seems like a good cause!

3. Baseballmom - December 5, 2015

I read the transcript on this one this morning – very tragic. My prayer at this point is that this nation falls completely and that the Church loses its tax status. What needs to happen is for the Church to lose all Her material possessions – the evil men in the clergy and hierarchy will disappear quickly.

4. Baseballmom - December 5, 2015

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5. Vox Cantoris - December 5, 2015

Should we all out the abuses? I could go on about Basilians when I was a 13 year old boy. Odd how Rosica is a Basilian and tried to pick up right where his elder brethren left off. But I’m not 13 anymore!

6. richardmalcolm1564 - December 5, 2015

Or we could go all out on the Collegeville Benedictines, implicated in enough sexual abuse scandal to cover any five dioceses.

7. Joseph D'Hippolito - December 5, 2015

If the Holy Spirit did elect Pope Francis through the College of Cardinals, it was as a means of divine judgement on a de facto apostate church.

8. Tim - December 6, 2015

Voris unfortunately is part of the problem. He attacks every conceivable branch of the problem, but to retain neo-catholic subscribers and to curry favor to big time papolators to prop up his “relevance”, he maintains his insane “policy” of not criticising the trunk and roots…..FRANCIS. And he has backed off his past exposure of Vatican 2 and the Novus Ordo as components of the roots. But he finds time to play “pope” by unilaterally declaring the SSPX to be “schismatic” and to strip Benedict 16 of the title of pope. While he may offer good analysis from time to time he has ZERO credibility.

Tantumblogo - December 7, 2015

I’ve said my piece in this regard. No need going back over that ground again.

Tim - December 7, 2015

My piece is now said and I agree with you.

9. Joseph D'Hippolito - December 6, 2015

One more thing: Protecting the Catholic Establishment describes the whole raison d’etre of the Apologetics-Industrial Complex — Patheos, EWTN, Shea, Fisher, Madrid, Keating, Longenecker, et al.

Tantumblogo - December 7, 2015


Lynne - December 7, 2015

You can now add Aleteia to that list now too as many of the Catholic bloggers from Patheos moved over there.

10. David - December 7, 2015

As far as hiring a PI, I would have liked to have seen that with Mahoney, Sullivan, Untener, Pilla, and a few others. I believe it was tried in New York to investigate the antics of Clark and Hubbard (Rochester and Albany). One good solid priest was helping with this, circa 1995, and he was murdered.

As for Minnesota, I had a college friend who attended the minor seminary run by the Crosier brothers. The minor seminary closed a few years after he graduated (it closed in 1989) in part due to low enrollment. With at least six Crosier brothers indicted circa 2002, I think I know what contributed to low enrollment, and why less than 1 percent of graduates went on further in formation.

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