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Patriarch Kiril: sodomy to blame for rise of ISIS January 19, 2016

Posted by Tantumblogo in Basics, different religion, Ecumenism, episcopate, General Catholic, Immigration, manhood, paganism, persecution, Revolution, scandals, secularism, self-serving, sexual depravity, sickness, Society.

No, not this ISIS:

That one’s really lame.  No, he had in mind the other ISIS, the one that likes to burn people and chop their heads off.  In reality, while I’m sure the left wing are clutching their pearls and flying to their fainting couches, Patriarch Kiril is far from entirely off-base in his analysis:

The head of the Russian Orthodox Church has partially blamed an increased acceptance of homosexuality for the rise of Isis.

Patriarch Kirill claimed he was not surprised that some Muslims are flocking to Isis’ quasi-religious state as a way of escaping the “godless civilization” that celebrates events such as Gay Pride[Obviously something is quite lacking in the West these days for at least some native young people to go join an organization as barbarous and cruel as ISIS.  Some are probably sickos, but I think some are just very, very lost in a culture that gives them nothing substantive to cling to (assuming they are thoroughly unchurched).

In an interview published on the Church’s official website, Kirill said: “[Isis] is creating a civilization that is new by comparison to the established one that is godless, secular and even radical in its secularism.” [I still say they are two competing religions, leftism and islamism]

“We can have parades for the sexual minorities – that is supported – but a million French Christian protestors defending family values are broken up by police,” he added. [Sort of.  Or thousands of muslim men can rape and assault on New Year’s Eve with only 183 cops deployed, but when about 3000 men march against mass muslim immigration, almost ten times as many cops are deployed (in Germany).  We get the message, loud and clear.]

Kiril said because the “godless civilization is reaching maturity”, it should come as no surprise that those who are opposed to liberal, secular ideas end up joining terror organisations. [How about orthodox Christianity as an alternative?  Of course the sexular pagan elites have no interest in pursuing that, and even our own Church seems to have largely given up evangelizing over the past 50 years.]

“If you call non-traditional relationships a sin, as the Bible teaches and you are a priest or pastor, then you risk not only your ability to serve but you may be sent to prison,” he said.

“I could offer more simply frightening examples of how the godless civilization is growing yet here they are drawing attention to young people being converted by extremists,” he added. [Meaning the hypocrisy of the double standard is disgusting as in fact at the root of the problem. So long as the culture is leftist, and continues to wage war against Christianity, then things like radical islam are going to proliferate.]

Look how they [the West] build the world – an unholy world – but we invite you to build God’s world…And they [Isis supporters] respond to that; it is for this they give their lives,” he added[A little messier in logic than I would like. ISIS is not building a holy world or anything like that.  They are manifestly unholy. And yet the Russian Orthodox Church declared Russia’s military intervention in Syria a holy war.  That doesn’t make much sense.  He almost seems to be saying we should make common cause with ISIS against leftism. BAD IDEA]

Kiril also appeared to controversially support Isis’ widely dismissed self-declaration of an Islamic caliphate by claiming that many who have flocked to live under the terror group are “honest” people who did so on “truly religious grounds”……. [I’m sure some just came for the raping and pillaging.]

……..“We face enormous temptations when countries start approving sin and codifying it into law in order to justify it,” he added.

That’s a good quote. As for the rest, while I agree that the sexular pagan leftism destroying the West has played a substantial role in forming ISIS, there is plenty of internal motivation from within islam to account for its growth, as well.  And yet it is known that jihadis abuse hardcore drugs at an astonishing rate and also have voracious appetites for porn and other immoral media.

I tried to find the original transcript of the interview in English but could not.  Either the newspaper butchered Kiril’s intent or he was all over the map, and not really putting forth a cohesive point other than “West = bad.”  He almost seemed to be saying “the enemy of my enemy is my friend,” in which case, he may very much live to regret that kind of thinking.  Islam is no one’s friend but islam’s.  And there are vast swaths of Russia that islam claims as their own.

I’ve often found Orthodox to be confused thinkers. Perhaps this is one more instance.  They do not possess the extremely highly developed reason possessed by the Church through Scholasticism and other theological schools.  Being an inseparable ward of the state also does not help foster theological or moral continuity.  How many communists remain within the Russian Orthodox Church?

Ah, well…….they do have a gorgeous liturgy.

One more in a much more simple setting. I really like the beginning.

What is the significance of the three and two candles?  Beautiful.

Hey prots looks like the Mass of All Ages doesn’t it?  How is it all the ancient Christian Churches believe all the same things about the Eucharist, Sacraments, efficacy of good works, etc?  Johnny come lately’s, your founders just made up a bunch of crap!



1. Tim - January 19, 2016

From your blog 4/23/14:

2. Tantumblogo - January 19, 2016
Tantumblogo - January 19, 2016

And you’re giving a wonderful demonstration of true Christian love from the Orthodox side. Not atypical.

Tantumblogo - January 19, 2016

The irony is so thick I’d need a chainsaw to cut it.

Don’t even bother. Good bye.

3. tg - January 19, 2016

I know a veteran who said he observed a lot of sodomy and pedophilia among Muslims. He said police captains would have young boys with them and my friend actually walked in on a queer orgy of Afghanistan soldiers. He said many Muslims are queer and use women for procreation.

4. Joseph D'Hippolito - January 19, 2016

Being an inseparable ward of the state also does not help foster theological or moral continuity.

Bingo! That’s the primary (if not exclusive) rationale for the patriarch’s remarks, given Putin’s views on both ISIS and homosexuality.

Tantumblogo - January 20, 2016

Yeah, well, an exercised orthodox dude dropped by to take extreme umbrage at my comments in a very rude way (I wound up deleting them), even though they are reasonable and are fully justified by events and/or Orthodox belief itself. Orthodox frequently criticize the Catholic Church for being overly reliant on reason and for reasoning out things that aren’t, like the filioque, which makes eminent sense from the standpoint of reason, but which they vehemently reject. That’s just one small example.

Not that there isn’t a great deal to admire in Orthodoxy. They are valid Churches with valid orders and Sacraments, there is great beauty in Orthodoxy and it has produced numerous Saints that put me to shame in terms of devotion and practice of virtue, but they are ultimately schismatic and increasingly prone to heterodoxy if not outright heresy, as in their permission for divorce and remarriage and the use of condoms. Among other things.

But one thing I’ve found very prevalent – the more devout the Orthodox, the more anti-Catholic they tend to be. Some of the most virulent anti-Catholicism I’ve encountered has come from Orthodox, who seem exceedingly touchy about any criticism, especially from Catholics.

I will say the dude was right and the spokespriest for the Russian Orthodox Church was canned a month or so after declaring the Russian intervention in Syria a holy war, but it seems there was much more to that sacking than just those comments. He has opposed Patriarch Kiril on numerous fronts, for one, being too close to the government, and has said a number of other embarrassing things.

5. DJR - January 20, 2016

What is the significance of the three and two candles? Beautiful.

One set signifies the Holy Trinity; the other set signifies the two natures of Christ.

Our Catholic bishops use the same ceremony. Sometimes the blessing is done just via the hands and fingers.

We bless ourselves with our thumb, index, and middle finger together, with the other two down.

Signifies the same thing: the Holy Trinity and the two natures of Christ.

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