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Francis: “Obstinate Christians are rebels and idolators” April 25, 2016

Posted by Tantumblogo in asshatery, Basics, different religion, error, Francis, General Catholic, horror, Revolution, scandals, secularism, self-serving, Society, the struggle for the Church, unbelievable BS.

And what makes you obstinate?  Apparently, adhering to the constant belief and practice of the Faith.  Put more harshly, but I think it can be fairly argued, more honestly: opposing Francis’ program to radically remake the Church is, to his mind, being sinful.  But whom, precisely, is being idolatrous here?  Those who cling to the very Word of Jesus Christ about something like marriage, wherein He plainly declared that having more than one living spouse at the same time (“divorce” or no) was adultery, or the new doctrine of Francis?

How similar is this “new wine” we’re being sold to the vinegar of a Robert Tilton?

Via The Remnant:

The Pope’s words:  “Christians who obstinately maintain ‘it’s always been done this way,’ this is the path, this is the street—they sin: the sin of divination. It’s as if they went about by guessing: ‘What has been said and what doesn’t change is what’s important; what I hear—from myself and my closed heart—more than the Word of the Lord.’ Obstinacy is also the sin of idolatry: the Christian who is obstinate sins! The sin of idolatry. ‘And what is the way, Father?’ Open the heart to the Holy Spirit, discern what is the will of God….This is the message the Church gives us today. This is what Jesus says so forcefully: ‘New wine in new wineskins.’ Habits must be renewed in the newness of the Spirit, in the surprises of God…” READ REPORT HERE

Note the language: this is what “the Church” gives us.  That’s a slick bit of sleight of hand.

Note also the stark dichotomy: adhering to the constant Magisterial belief of the Church is false divination, but going around”discerning the Spirit” willy-nilly is not.  How the Spirit is to be discerned from the false spirit of the world, and the wiles of satan, absent the guidance of the Doctrine of the Faith, is not mentioned, obviously, because it would obliterate the argument.  One might be tempted to keep in mind the dictum that leftists always project, as in project their own psychoses, faults, and biases, onto others, especially their perceived enemies.

And once again we see Francis seemingly pitting the Holy Ghost against Himself. On its face – and let’s be truthful, this is far from the first time – he is either proclaiming that God can radically change His mind and contradict Himself – in which case He would no longer be God – or He is setting forth a dangerous new, deconstructive (but thoroughly modernist) approach to Doctrine and its definition, which posits that there basically have been no dogmatic definitions (this would be similar to the arguments of the atrocious American theologian Dr. Rick Gaillardetz (that’s just one post – search his name and find three dozen more)), so popes can simply make things up as they go along.  Either will have the effect of spreading mass confusion, scandal, and defections from the Faith.  This kind of stuff is the most powerful corrosive imaginable with regard to the doctrinal integrity of the Church.

The only real question that remains in my mind is, feature or bug?  Not that it matters, the effect is the same.

I questioned whether to post this or not, as I am trying to avoid pounding on Francis when formal teaching is not in play, but this was so clear, so revealing, and so egregious, I thought it merited posting.  It is revealing in what it says about his intent, and how he views the Doctrine of the Faith.  I don’t mean to be repetitive, nor stir up scandal.  I know many of us have been forced to draw difficult and uncomfortable conclusions. While I try to keep my head down regarding this pontificate as much as possible (to the extent that I read virtually zero Catholic blogs anymore), I can’t just bury my head in the sand ever deeper as this pontificate reveals itself more and more. Some things need to be examined.  This is one of them.

One of the infinite number of tragedies surrounding Francis is his Trump-like tendency to cause even very small divisions in belief to stand out like mountainous divides.  People of good will fall on different sides of whether, and to what extent, to point out the rank novelties and grave dangers emanating from Rome since March 2013.  It’s been painful for me to endure some splits with folks over the things I say and write. I’ve got to do what I feel called to do.  That’s about all I can say on that.



1. Baseballmom - April 25, 2016

I too am trying to just avoid this pontificate… But we must be aware of the more egregious attempts on his part to abuse the Church. This is one of them.

Baseballmom - April 25, 2016

So I just finished reading the summary you linked to…. What is that gobbley-gook he is saying? And I am really sick of his (expletive deleted) surprises!!!!! God forgive me.

2. Michael - April 26, 2016

The Society was right all along.

3. Ever mindful - April 26, 2016

Fortitude…patient endurance…

For you have been given not only the privilege of trusting in Christ but also the privilege of suffering for him.

Philippians 1:29

4. Branch - April 26, 2016

“How the Spirit is to be discerned from the false spirit of the world, and the wiles of satan, absent the guidance of the Doctrine of the Faith, is not mentioned, obviously, because it would obliterate the argument.”

It may seem obvious, but this is a great point. Francis has been baldly asserting this “way of Jesus” or “the Spirit” for some time without offering any verification for his ‘discernment’. In fact, as noted elsewhere, he is in direct conflict with the teaching of prior popes on some matters and his use of their words to bolster his ‘teaching’ is selective and misleading.

But for many, the pope is now an oracle. He has a line to the Spirit no one else has and if you object, you make an idol out of the perennial teaching of the Church and you’re an anti-papist when in fact you’re the one upholding the dignity of the papacy at this time. The pope really isn’t that different from the ‘seers’ of Medjugorje and their baseless pseudo-mysticism.

5. camper - April 26, 2016

We need an institute in Rome that will protest and call the Pope a monster. Non-trads don’t really read trad blogs.

6. Agellius - April 26, 2016

The comparison with Trump is right-on, IMHO. They both shoot from the hip without considering the implications of what they’re saying.

7. TLM - April 26, 2016

This Pope is VERY OFFENSIVE to Traditional Catholics AKA……’Catholics’. Really really hard to listen to his b….s….

8. skeinster - April 26, 2016

Another example of gaslighting, in which we’re told that what we used to think is just wrong, and being blamed for it,as well.

“People of good will fall on different sides of whether, and to what extent, to point out the rank novelties and grave dangers emanating from Rome since March 2013.”

Just a thought- ’cause I’m arguing this over at another combox- if we could all just accept that we (people of good will) will draw the line at what is acceptable in conscience on this subject in different places, we could save enormous amounts of energy presently spent in policing others to make sure they toe our mark.

In the end, each of us will be responsible for what we did, or didn’t, say, not what, for example, Michael Voris did, or didn’t say.

If our consciences are clear through study, prayer and the input of a good spiritual director, then we will not need to make others agree with us.

I apologize for the mini-rant, but waste of energy is frustrating.

9. skeinster - April 26, 2016

We’re being “gaslighted”- told that what we know isn’t so,and being blamed for knowing it at the same time.

Agellius - April 26, 2016

If he spent less time urging people to not be ‘rigid’, and more time urging people to be chaste, I wonder how many souls might be turned from sin. : )

10. skeinster - April 26, 2016

” People of good will fall on different sides of whether, and to what extent, to point out the rank novelties and grave dangers emanating from Rome since March 2013. It’s been painful for me to endure some splits with folks over the things I say and write.”

People of good will will have lines they can’t cross, in good conscience. Accepting this, without the need to make everyone toe our line (not that anyone here would do that…), or assigning blame or diagnosing other’s spiritual deficiencies, would free up a lot of time and energy that could be used otherwise.

If we have studied, prayed, and discussed this with a sound spiritual director, we can be at peace with our decision in this prudential matter.

11. Bea - April 26, 2016

Why is it necessary and okay to put down other Catholics or any Pope? It’s offensive if others look down on TLM so why is it acceptable to act or write with the same disdain? Nothing is going to change and the opportunity only seems great and wide. Is it easier to keep the path narrow with only a few or pebble a path wide to welcome more to walk and see the beauty of our forgiving Christ and His Traditional Church.

skeinster - April 27, 2016

Two of mine got eaten, slightly on this topic:
Papal criticism is a prudential decision and as Tantum points out, we will fall on a spectrum.
The less time we spend policing each other, the more time we have for other things- like prayer and penance.

12. William H. Axton - April 28, 2016

To keep my blood pressure down, I’m going to pretend the Holy Father’s comments are aimed at liberals and their 1970s dissent-ridden ways of doing things.

Patience everyone.

Popes come and popes go. And, not to put too fine a point on matters, the older problematic cardinals and bishops will be gone soon enough. The next pope will have no difficulty identifying the impenitent riffraff because the troublemakers outed themselves at the Synod on Marriage and the Family.

As for the company of the Tradition-minded, let’s just keep on keepin’ on.

camper - April 28, 2016

This isn’t true. Francis is stuffing the hierarchy with heretical loons like himself. The next Pope could easily be a heretic too.

c matt - April 28, 2016

Popes do come and go, but the damage they inflict can last centuries, or even if only brief, can take millions of souls down the tubes. #HSM (human souls matter).

13. Tim - April 28, 2016

“Rebels & Idolators”…..don’t forget “scismatic”…..below….BRAVO Mr. Matt!!!!:

Tim - April 28, 2016

Spelling correction: “schismatic”

14. Tim - April 29, 2016
skeinster - April 29, 2016

I read this with great interest and was amazed that Fr. S. answered almost all the mental questions I’ve been collecting since a possible reconciliation under Francis was first discussed.

Certainly worth a read.

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