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Conservatism without Christianity is pointless….. May 10, 2016

Posted by Tantumblogo in Basics, disaster, error, foolishness, General Catholic, paganism, Restoration, Revolution, secularism, sickness, Society, Tradition, Virtue.

……but even more, conservatism in the modern political parlance has been a chimera, founded on false assumptions, something some of us (me) have wasted decades defending.  But before you get your dander up, read to the end.

I read a long post at a blog I’d never seen before over the weekend, and I thought the author was pretty sharp for identifying leftism as a false religion.  He apparently arrived at this conclusion after reading Eric Hoffer’s analysis of mass movements.

He’s got some pretty good analysis below, but at several points he veers into error so extreme that it fatally undermines the whole. This kind of fundamental error is something that is pervasive in modern conservative thought.  His biggest error is systemic: he is an atheist conservative who recognizes the need for Christianity as a pillar of society but, in the height of hubris, rejects the Faith for himself.  I don’t mean to fisk the below, but I think this material I quote is so tightly related with the main thrust of the previous post I did that I’m going to have to pick  on the guy, well-intentioned though I’m sure he is (and I appreciate having an atheist recognize the great positives in Christianity, rather than simply attacking it with a, uh…..religious…..fervor).

Picking up his blog post at the relevant point (my emphasis and comments):

Call Out and “Shame” Progressive Mass Movements For What They Are: Religions

Mass movements can be identified and named by their religious symbolism.  They share installation of religious themes into practical matters, or in Hoffer’s words, “religiofication.”  Hoffer declares atheism is a religion [it’s another variation of leftism]……..

“For though ours is a godless age, it is the very opposite of irreligious [xiii, 86]”,……. Hoffer cites the 19th Century-era historian-philosopher Ernest Renen (d.1892) who warned that Socialism was “the coming religion” and that being secular, it would lead to a religiofication of politics and economics [158].  [Which is exactly what we’ve seen]

…we need to continually refer to mass movements as militantly religious, identifying and calling out specifics.  The True Believer “is one of the chosen, bolstered and protected by invincible powers, and destined to inherit the earth [126.]”  Militant atheists wage jihad with as much fervor as any radicalized Muslim. [So is this a call to Aristotlean moderation in all things, or?]

We have also got to embrace the truth that appeals based on logic and logical reasoning do not affect The True Believer, who is immune to logic and reason and other sources of morality [86][B as in B, S as in S.  That’s what separates Christianity, and especially Catholicism, from all other religions. No other faith is so amenable towards, nor grounded in, clear philosophical reasoning and scientific argumentation.  It is one of the distinguishing markers of the Catholic Faith, that it is SO grounded in reason and not reliant simply on unthinking obeisance to nonsensical divine commands, a la islam. But I can forgive an atheist for not knowing this, because he’s never seen real Catholicism in his life] Avoid the frustration upfront.  I don’t mean we stop finding and highlighting illogical contradictions in their [leftism] ideologies and constant hypocrisies and projections, however.  In fact, we need to explain the roots of these contradictions and hypocrisies are actually pathologies. [The root of which IS……….rejection of the Christian God]

…….We have got to constantly, and loudly, align the modern Progressive mass movements with other violent and destructive mass movements like National Socialism, neocommunism, and violent Islamism.  Hoffer recognized that followers of mass movements—even those apparently at opposite ideological poles—are in fact, at the same pole. [Agreed. But this guy may not be in the camp he thinks he is]

…….Hoffer argues fanatics [cannot??] be  convinced; they can only be converted to another mass movement [86], hopefully one which is positive, like Christianity.  I say this as a 99% atheist: we need a lot more Christians and a lot less of the other destructive mass movements of our day which are actively supplanting Christianity as a mass movement.  Unfortunately, a Christian revival is unlikely to occur without a corresponding human extinction event.  [I fear he’s right on that last point.  But “as a 99% atheist” but also a self-proclaimed conservative, I believe he’s much more part of the problem than he is willing to realize]

Do what you can to support and respect Christianity and its role in a stable America, despite your personal religious or irreligious beliefs.  This will sound strange to evangelicals, but Christianity in America is “much more” than “just” about the eternal salvation of souls.

There’s a great deal to agree with in the above, but none is so blind as he who will not see.  He’s pretty much declaring that the only way to overturn the leftist revolution rapidly destroying Western Civilization is a Christian – by which he means Catholic – revival, but then he excuses himself from taking part in that revival by his adherence to atheism.

It’s possible the author may read this, so I’d just like to ask him, if Christianity has so many extremely positive, indeed, necessary, characteristics, if they are responsible for most if not all of what is good in Western culture, how could you not be one?  Even on a strictly natural level, those would be very powerful incentives for adopting Christianity.

But far more, I’d tell the author that by professing atheism he is not the conservative he thinks, but in fact adheres to one of the many variants of leftism/progressivism.  That is to say, his conservativism, to the extent he holds it, is false at worst, disordered at best.  Even more, by his own analysis, as an atheist, he is helping to contribute to the progressive cause (by undermining Christianity, at least tacitly), because he is failing to adhere to the belief system most responsible for the success of Western civilization over 2000 years.  It’s a shocking level of cognitive dissonance.

But this kind of cognitive dissonance – this lack of faith – has been a prime characteristic of the conservativish reaction towards leftism going back 100 years or more.  Sure, I’m “conservative” – just give me my three frivorces*, contraception, side piece, and usury.

Or, of course I’m conservative, but what can I do but vote?  Which mentality plays right into the hands of a system increasingly (or always?) rigged to give us two false choices. The left does a lot more than just vote.

That doesn’t even get into one’s definition of what it means to be a conservative.  Most American conservatives hold beliefs that would have been very radical even a few decades ago.  For most people, “conservative” and “liberal” in the American context have devolved into two sides of the same coin, and are probably meaningless due to the disordered nature of this nation’s founding political and religious orientation.

Far better terms are either orthodox or traditional, and are inescapably attached to their religious meaning.  The only true conservative, then, is one guided by orthodox Christian beliefs.  To try to be conservative outside the Catholic-Christian context is to be virtually assured of holding at least some radical beliefs, and to tend to at least some degree towards the revolutionary mentality inherent in leftism.

Which mentality has always stemmed from the original revolutionary, satan.  It only took a few hundred years of revolution from the left for Saul Alinsky to make that connection explicit.

We can see how few conservatives there are, then.  In fact, the label “conservative” should really simply drop away, to be replaced with the far more apt name, Christian or Catholic.  Doing so also points out that there are differences in belief between what most modern conservatives hold (especially surrounding the unrestrained free market, usurous practices, etc), and the Doctrine of the Faith.

I may be painting myself into a very small corner, and seem to be defining right political belief down to a kind of tribalism, but if the author of the piece above is right – the only thing that can save Western Civilization is a great Christian revival – and I firmly believe he is, then defining “conservatism” or right political belief into orthodox/traditional Catholicism is not counterproductive, it’s not parochialism, but is entirely necessary.  For any such revival to succeed, it must be grounded on correct first principles.

That’s not to say coalitions can’t be built and accommodations at times made, but, generally speaking, Christians have been much too accommodating in the past, and all it has gotten us is a pagan culture that is gearing up to persecute the heck out of us.  If Trump represents the collapse of the disordered semi-Christian social conservative movement, perhaps it’s time to rebuild the movement from the ground up in a more orthodox manner. And perhaps it’s time to stop thinking about winning the war for this culture, and planting the seeds for the next.

It may not seem like it, but I spent way too much time on this!  This post has been something of a thought experiment, so it might seem not fully developed (in spite of the time spent), or it might seem dumb and off-base.  What I am trying to convey is the errors I see at the root of the American conservative movement, errors which predicated its ultimate failure as presently construed.  I’ve written 1500 words, which is a longish post, but even that only barely allows me to skim the surface of a complex subject.  I can’t focus on writing like I did in the past so forgive me if this comes across as either obvious or wrong-headed.

*- frivorce = frivolous divorce



1. Murray - May 10, 2016

Modern conservatives are just liberals, and that includes many Catholics. They disagree with left-liberals on the best means to the desired end of a society of self-pleasuring atomized individuals, but they certainly agree on the goodness of those ends.

The so-called conservative movement (which in reality has conserved nothing) serves the purposes of the left by policing the acceptable boundaries of right-wing discourse. Look at all the purges undertaken by William F. Buckley and his successors from the 1960s down to the present day. But in banishing from the movement all who held to tradition or blood and soil, they rendered themselves rootless, condemned to drift ever leftwards while mouthing pieties to abstract notions like the free market, limited government, or muh Constitution.

As for atheist conservatives, you’re spot on. I was one for a relatively brief time in the mid-2000s in my journey from leftism to Catholicism, and I remember it was kind of unsettling. By this time, I was firmly convinced of the incoherence of the liberal ideology, but as an atheist I didn’t have any firm, self-consistent body of thought to anchor my thought in. It took two things for me to make the leap:

1) Learning that Christianity could be intellectually respectable; in fact, that it usually seemed to have the better arguments.
2) A grave family crisis that demonstrated to me both the foolishness of relying on men for remedies, and my own sinful nature.

The intellectual conversion came first, but it was insufficient on its own. However, when the crisis came, the intellectual conviction had paved the way. We may not be able to conjure up crises for atheist conservatives, but we can certainly model the coherency of the Christian intellectual tradition for them.

2. oneholyapostolic - May 10, 2016

We have learned the hard way that the only thing the bright, shiny object of CONservatism peddled by the GOP establishment only conserves our freedom, rights, and wealth. I no longer identify myself as a conservative but as a traditional Catholic American.

3. Brian E. Breslin - May 11, 2016

Excellent post, Tantum, and oneholy, you too hit the nail on the head.

4. wlindsaywheeler - May 11, 2016

The term “conservative” was coined in France for those that resisted the French Revolution. A true conservative is for Throne and Altar. In England, the term “conservative” underwent massive re-definition by Benjamin Disraeli, and does mean liberal! The True Conservatives in America were the Loyalists that lost the American Revolutionary War.

Jesus Christ is the Logos and it is the Logos that drives the Natural Order—hence the Old Order. Catholics must have a loyalty to the Logos in the Natural Order and that means hierarchy.

Leftism is actually the resurgence of Gnosticism. And American Protestant Christianity is really Gnosticism. Communism/Marxism is Gnosticism and so it is a religion.

A true Conservative is for blood and soil, king and aristocracy, and true religion, the Catholic/Orthodox Faith. We must live under the ancien regime; us Catholics must return to the Old Order where we all must belong. America is the Novus Ordo, a Masonic pseudo-republic that us Catholics must reject and convert over to true understandings and loyalty of the Logos.

5. CZtheDay - May 12, 2016

Your post in two words:

Milo Yiannopoulos

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