Francis considering women deacons…….female priestesseses in our lifetime? May 13, 2016Posted by Tantumblogo in abdication of duty, disaster, Francis, General Catholic, horror, pr stunts, Revolution, sadness, scandals, secularism, self-serving, sickness, the struggle for the Church.
Unless the Lord plans to call me very soon, I would say, you can count on it:
Pope Francis told the heads of women’s religious orders from around the world that he would set up a commission to study the New Testament deaconesses and he also insisted more can and should be done to involve lay and consecrated women in church decision-making at every level.
Asked if he would establish “an official commission to study the question” of whether women could be admitted to the diaconate, Pope Francis responded: “I accept. It would be useful for the church to clarify this question. I agree.” [The question has been studied 50 times in as many years. Yes there were “deaconesses” who performed very limited roles, mostly involving baptism to prevent scandal from women being dunked fully immersed in water wearing thin cotton gowns. There is essentially nothing in the New Testament concerning these women, save for an obscure reference in the Gospel of Matthew to women “ministering” to Jesus, which could mean anything. But amidst a thoroughly radicalized, secularized world, to even broach the subject as something that can be discussed is to create unending pressure for it. Francis is the great hope of the liberals to get something they’ve always wanted, and soon. Women deaconesses are nothing but an opening to women priests, the destruction of which through its de-sacralization has been a constant goal of the enemies of the Faith since the Church’s inception.]
The pope spent more than an hour May 12 responding to questions posed by members of the International Union of Superiors General, repeatedly asking if they wanted further clarification and making funny asides or rephrasing his responses when it was clear they were not hitting the mark. [Judging from the questions (you can see more at the link, this is a thoroughly radicalized group, obsessed with marxian power dynamics and feminist ideology]
“I like hearing your questions because they make me think,” the pope told close to 900 superiors general, representing almost 500,000 sisters around the world. “I feel like a goalie, who is standing there waiting for the ball and not knowing where it’s going to come from.”
Asked about deaconesses in the New Testament and the possibility of the modern church admitting women to the permanent diaconate, Pope Francis had said his understanding was that the women described as deaconesses in the Bible were not ordained like permanent deacons are. Mainly, he said, it appeared that they assisted with the baptism by immersion of other women and with the anointing of women.
However, he said, “I will ask the (Congregation for the) Doctrine of the Faith to tell me if there are studies on this.” [Sheesh. Like I said, it’s been studied to death, as he well knows. But we all know, the Church was born on December 4, 1965, and then again on March 13, 2013.]
………The main part of the question was about the lack of influence women religious are given in church decision-making processes. Pope Francis said the obligation to listen to women in the parish, diocese and at the Vatican “is not a matter of feminism, but of right.” [Where is this place where women are just totally shunted aside and ignored? In every single parish I’ve been in, women dominate the staff and teaching positions at a rate of at least 9:1. Yet they have no voice? How many dioceses are run by women chancellors? Obviously, then, these are not honest questions or complaints, but code-speak for further deconstruction of the Church along feminist lines.]
……“Our desire is that the church talk with us — like is happening now — and not about us,” one of the sisters told him……
In other words, do as we say, give us what we want. Or else our congregations will wither and die! Oh………
It is sad to see that the penetration of false – really, demonic – feminist ideologies has spread beyond the West and into even most “third world” religious.
I also note that, at least in the articles I’ve seen (two), the discussion of cloistered, contemplative life was totally ignored. Only the active virtues were given any emphasis.
And the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate continue their long martyrdom.
Related, and very important. Young does not equal orthodox or traditional