jump to navigation

Ember Week Reminder and a Question for Readers May 16, 2016

Posted by Tantumblogo in awesomeness, Basics, Domestic Church, General Catholic, Glory, Grace, Latin Mass, Liturgical Year, mortification, priests, Tradition, Virtue.

This week is Ember Week, but it is also the Octave of Pentecost, a First Class Feast throughout the week.  As such, in a “normal” week of this type, it would be all feasting with no prescribed fasting or abstinence.  How to reconcile the penance of Ember Week with such a festive season?  I asked a priest to find out.  Here is what he recommends:

  • The festive nature of the season “outweighs” the penitential nature of Ember Week
  • However, the festive nature is not by law, as it would be on a Sunday
  • Thus, the penances of Ember Week become optional (which, with their formal abolition, they really have been for years, but many still try to adhere to them as if they had not been abolished).
  • So, you can engage in the Ember Week fast and abstinence as you feel appropriate.  Some may opt to conduct their Ember Week as if it were not the Octave of Pentecost.  Some may adopt only portions of Ember Week penance.  Some may feast it up.  All are permissible, according to the priest.

I thought some might appreciate the clarification.  The above is obviously not a verbatim quote.

Finally, my question.  Father David Konderla was named the Bishop of Tulsa last Friday. He will replace Bishop Edward Slattery, who has been generally supportive of the TLM and Clear Creek Monastery.  I have one report from a local source who knows  Konderla that describes him as “solid.”  Anyone else know of his position regarding Tradition and the TLM in particular?  I’ve only been to Clear Creek once, but I really enjoyed it and pray the level of local support for the monastery remains the same, or even improves.

Thanking you in advance.



1. NickD - May 17, 2016

Speaking as an Aggie, class of ’18, Fr. Konderla is very strong in terms of doctrine and putting it into truly pastoral terms, i.e. he states the truth for the good of his flock. My perception of his views towards the TLM and tradition is that, while he doesn’t push it actively, he is supportive of what efforts exist, and so he may respond well to the beautiful Clear Creek community, though he may not be as personally involved as Bishop Slattery has been. His Excellency was a great pastor for our times

2. TF - May 17, 2016

I hope NickD is correct.

I always cringe a little when I hear a priest or bishop described as “solid.” It is often wishful thinking. It’s also extremely vague, like Vatican II.

3. Ben - May 17, 2016

I was there in the 2000s, and I remember the priests at St. Mary’s being extremely busy – 2 priests for 5000 Catholics. I also knew there was an effort to get a Latin Mass going in the Brazos Valley, and Fr. Konderla, the pastor, was not supportive – no doubt because he was swamped with work. I also remember that not even the bishop (Aymond) would do much to ensure that women at the parish dressed decently. Some good definitely comes out of St. Mary’s, and I suppose it’s better than the typical Novus Ordo parish, if you’re into that, but generally it was standard Novus ordo stuff.
5% of Vatican II is simply heretical. The declaration on religious liberty is one of the top heresies of Vatican II. It dethrones Christ from His Kingdom on earth. Governments that are truly Catholic have an obligation to do what they can to promote Catholicism: they should be willing to consider closing Protestant organizations, keeping Mohammedans out, etc. Vatican II’s declaration on religious liberty specifically denies this.
Some will say that this is an academic question, since there are no more Catholic governments, but it is a chicken or egg issue: there are few Catholics because Catholics don’t take a strong stand for the rights of Christ the King. The declaration on religious liberty comes from people who are not Catholic. As Tantum as said on this blog before, Pope Francis, Cardinal Wuerl, etc. have a different religion, and it isn’t Catholicism. We know that there are few are saved, according to the famous sermon of St. Leonard of Port Maurice: “On the Fewness of those who are Saved.” By taking the sacraments at an FSSP parish, one is agreeing with heresy. I urge you to join the SSPX.

DM - May 17, 2016

I have always thought College Station would be an ideal location for the FSSP or SSPX to have a parish. Think of the benefits the TLM, orthodox priests and regular traditional parish life would bring to such a large group of college students. I think the TLM would have an inherent appeal especially to the many ROTC and military students there. If the Church wants to save the souls of the younger generation, it ain’t gonna be with a typical Novus Ordo college parish, as we all know.

As far as Bishop-elect Konderla, I think it would be wise for both Clear Creek and the FSSP in Tulsa to invite him to visit for Mass as soon as possible, so he can see the good work and holiness these groups have brought to the diocese. While not traditional himself, it seems like a good first impression would gain his support.

4. Ben - May 17, 2016

Besides, Pope Francis and his horrible coterie of bishops aren’t going to back down from Amoris Laetitia, which document implies that marriage is dissoluble. They are heretical on one thing, and Leo XIII says that being heretical on one little thing is the most dangerous position to take. Maybe Amoris Laetitia will be withdrawn by PF, but after his horrendous arrogance on all kinds of questions, does anybody seriously believe he has a conscience worthy of the name? Vatican II would still be heretical.

5. tg - May 17, 2016

Educate me – was is the octave of Pentecost? My NO parish celebrated Pentecost this past Sunday. Does this mean the whole week if Pentecost?

skeinster - May 17, 2016

Yes, like the Octave of other great feasts, the celebration continues throught the week with special readings at daily Masses on the theme of Pentecost.

6. David - May 17, 2016

I went to A and M in the early 90s, and it was the authenticity and the example that brought me back to the Catholic Church. I was also challenged, since I had come from a CINO background, and that strengthened my faith. The first time I ever heard a homily on why contraception and abortion are not good things was in 1993 by Fr. Michael Sis. I know Fr. David Konderla is pro life, and I know Bishop elect Konderla is not into the “happy clappy” and “life is all peaches and cream” . Places doing “happy clappy” are dying because Catholics want the meat and potatoes.

While I do wish Slattery could have stayed at the helm longer ( same with Doran, Bruskewitz, and a few others), Konderla should do well. I have met him on several occasions and the Catholic Student Center at A and M has turned out solid marriages with three or more children (I know some with 4, 5, 6) where spouses were met at St. Marys Catholic Student Center, and numerous religious vocations to the diocesan priesthood and to religious orders.

Sorry comments are closed for this entry

%d bloggers like this: