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Pope John Lennon – If I Condemned Islamist Violence, I’d Have to Condemn Catholic Violence August 1, 2016

Posted by Tantumblogo in asshatery, Basics, different religion, Ecumenism, foolishness, Francis, General Catholic, huh?, Society, SSPX, Tradition.

This is after he exhorted World  Youth Day goers – which one commenter who attended one in the past likened to a Catholic orgy – to be a “A humanity that rejects hatred between people, one that refuses to see borders as barriers.”  Imagine there’s no countries…..and no religion too.  Groovy. Right on.  Make love, not war.  Peace Now.  Leave your first wife for a Japanese freak and break up the most overrated I mean greatest rock n’ pop band ever.

More substantially, Francis emoted, when pressed, that he did not criticize islam as the source of the hatred that led to a Catholic priest being beheaded, because, if he did that, he’d have to criticize Catholic violence, too, because sometimes baptized Catholic steal or do other bad things:

“I don’t think it is right to equate Islam with violence,” he told journalists during his return from a trip to Poland [on July 31].
Pope Francis defended his decision not to name Islam when condemning the brutal jihadist murder of a Catholic priest in France in the latest of a string of recent attacks in Europe claimed by Islamic State (or Isil).
“In almost every religion there is always a small group of fundamentalists. We have them too,” he said.
“If I have to talk about Islamic violence I have to talk about Christian violence. Every day in the newspapers I see violence in Italy, someone kills his girlfriend, another kills his mother in law, and these are baptised Catholics.” [Source[Does it even have to be said how dumb and false this comparison is?  It literally makes no sense, it’s comparing apples to Chevrolets.  I’m surprised he didn’t mention the Crusades]
This statement is akin to that made by John Kerry the other day, that use of flourocarbons poses a greater threat than ISIS, calling for a total ban of a substance that plays a critical role in numerous areas of modern life, not the least of which is providing a safe, non-poisonous refrigerant for all manner of air conditioners and industrial chillers. Apparently he proposes we return to using ammonia as a refrigerant, which has the slight downsides of being incredibly poisonous and prone to exploding.  Either that, or is proposing that we plebes be denied the right to air conditioning in the very near future.  Both statements, from Kerry and Francis, are similar in that they are totally divorced from reality and appear quite insane to anyone not steeped in their shared ideology.

Remember, he also attributed attacks like the one last week to things like poverty, lack of jobs and opportunity, and frustration at current political events.  That is to say, wholly materialist reasons – which, at least, would be consistent.

So this is the man who is going to “regularize” the SSPX?  I’m having a hard time getting excited over Msgr. Pozzo’s interview, he’s said the same thing many times before. Way back in 2012/3 we were told that an agreement was just seconds from being signed, and then the whole thing suddenly exploded.  He admits doctrinal issues remain. Well, the entire SSPX “situation” has hinged on doctrine all along, hasn’t it? So what exactly has changed?  Sure, Bishop Fellay seems to think that a personal prelature could work for the Society, but he’s said that for years, too.  Some people claiming inside knowledge – like the link – seem to firmly believe it’s different this time, but have offered little firm evidence.

As for my opinion, should it be true, I’m of two minds.  Predominately, I want the SSPX to be fully regular and to be able to continue their present work without the nagging doubts of canonical irregularity hampering the good they do, which is not inconsiderable.  At the same time, I have a nagging voice that tells me to fear regularization with the current conditions in Rome, especially under this Pope.  The example of the traditional Catholics of Campos is something to bear in mind.  And the dangers spread far beyond the SSPX – there is no question the FSSP and other Ecclesia Dei groups exist in “full regularity” because of the pressure the SSPX exerts on the Church.  Should that pressure go away, will the Ecclesia Dei groups be persecuted, or forced into moral conundrums?

Nevertheless, if the situation is ever going to be resolved, it’s going to take a huge leap of Faith by all involved.  Surely there are long, sharp knives waiting for an “exposed” Society to be made vulnerable to them, but we have to trust in Our Savior and His promises.  May God’s will be done.


1. c matt - August 1, 2016

The fact that one does it because of the precepts of his religion and the other despite them seems to be lost on the man.

Richard M - August 1, 2016

It is hard to shake the impression now that Francis seems to be the advocate not for Catholicism as such, but a broad humanism, whose primary concern is peaceful and prosperous universal community of man, in which material concerns are paramount. Religion almost seems to be a matter of ethnicity.

But you know what? Plenty of Catholic clergy have more or less the same outlook. Many of them are Jesuits.

2. Observer - August 1, 2016

“The street is always watching”. The 50 years of weakness following Vat II have not gone unnoticed.

3. ellen - August 1, 2016

There are still lots of old books around and lots of resources on the internet so we can know the true Faith that has been handed down to us and we ignore anything different. We must remain at the foot of the Cross, i.e. at the Sacrifice of the Mass. If we don’t have access to the Extraordinary form of the Mass we must pray for that to change but in the meantime attend any valid Novus Ordo. We must pray constantly, especially the rosary, and offer up all our sufferings in union with Jesus. When so many are turning away from God, how blessed are we that we are receiving the grace to stay. We all know we are not worthy. Why us? I just read “The Desolate City” again by Anne Muggeridge and am currently reading “Iota Unum” again too. And, of course, I wouldn’t be without Divine Intimacy. There’s nothing new under the sun! Do we really think God cannot handle it all when Salvation History demonstrates His Providence over and over. I am so glad you are not quitting, Tantum. How is the baby?

4. Richard M - August 1, 2016

It’s hard to imagine that Pope Francis would be a fan of the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia, whose entry on Mohammedanism read as follows: “In matters political Islam is a system of despotism at home and aggression abroad. The Prophet commanded absolute submission to the imâm. In no case was the sword to be raised against him. The rights of non-Moslem subjects are of the vaguest and most limited kind, and a religious war is a sacred duty whenever there is a chance of success against the “Infidel”. Medieval and modern Mohammedan, especially Turkish, persecutions of both Jews and Christians are perhaps the best illustration of this fanatical religious and political spirit.”

Likewise, there have been 195 popes since the eruption of Islam from Arabia. None would, to my knowledge, have hesitated to ascribe similar attributes to Islam, and even the post-conciliar popes would have had difficulty subscribing to what Francis has said yesterday.

But that was then, this is now. You can already see the stampede of support of many conservative Catholics, whose only concern is what the Pope Of Right Now is saying. This is where decades of ultramontane insistence of slavish obedience to the Pope has gotten us.

5. Richard M - August 1, 2016

“Get out while you can and seek the real Triune God for yourselves.”

Seek it where? Eastern Orthodoxy?

6. c matt - August 1, 2016

Get out and go where, exactly? The Orthodox, who believe on the one Mulligan marriage?

Tantumblogo - August 1, 2016

And contraception, and other things, as well. I used to give Orthodoxy something of a pass, but as I came to understand their theology better, and how it has deformed over the last 1000 years, I can’t do so anymore.

7. c matt - August 1, 2016

You kind of undermine your own argument – if that conversation is true, then it admits that the RCC is Christ’s true Church – why else would the devil seek to destroy, and Christ allow the devil to try with an imposter Church? Do the demons not know who is God and where His true Church exists?

8. Margaret Costello - August 1, 2016

So what about that wall surrounding Vatican City? What about Scripture telling us that “hatred of evil is Fear of the Lord.” Islam is a demonic religion and our Lord Himself said that Satan comes to “kill, steal, and destroy”. Yup, that sums up Islam. And Pope Francis wants us to welcome people who follow a demon and want to destroy us into our country and homes? More and more he sounds possessed. God bless~

9. Molly Alley - August 1, 2016

Is religion worth fighting over? Is it worth fighting for? is it worth dying for?

10. Faith of Our Fathers - August 1, 2016

Molly I don’t know if your post is tounge in cheek as this is a Catholic Site and really can’t see why your on it if you are not Catholic. But hey the Internets free ( as long as you pay your bills of course). No one that I know has had to die for a Religion as you so coldly put . But there’s one thing for sure my friend if we do not stand up for Catholic Christian Principles your kids or your Grankids ( depending on how long this old World has left) will be brought up as Atheists or Muslims. Take your choice one or the other. And if you do not think it will come to that your very deluded my friend. Also in life there is such a thing as Truth if you don’t think that is worth fighting for —-Well there’s no more to be said.

11. Gary - August 2, 2016

I bet Bama and Francis have a common ground, Leftism

Richard M - August 2, 2016

“This is after he exhorted World Youth Day goers – which one commenter who attended one in the past likened to a Catholic orgy …”

I would like to note that while there is all sorts of unfortunate insanity that goes on at World Youth Days, there is one guaranteed oasis of sanity – and that is the Juventutem gathering, under the leadership of Fr. Armand de Malleray, FSSP. They had an entire 17th century baroque church (Church of the Conversion of St. Paul in the Old Town of Krakow) to themselves, and a couple of others as well, and every day included lauds, Low Mass, catechesis, a Solemn High Mass, and Vespers, and more catechesis – with Bishop Athanasius Schneider celebrating multiple Masses.

There were probably no more than several hundred young adults there for Juventutem…but let’s not forget that they were there.

Baseballmom - August 2, 2016

As liberalism IS a religion then yes, they share a common faith.

Tim - August 2, 2016
Tantumblogo - August 2, 2016

Yep. Great book.

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