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If You Could Get Rid of Francis with the Push of a Button, Would You? August 9, 2016

Posted by Tantumblogo in Basics, demographics, error, Francis, General Catholic, rank stupidity, Revolution, scandals, secularism, self-serving, Society, the struggle for the Church.
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I’m lifting a whole lot from this post at St. Corbinian’s Bear, which, because of time constraints, I rarely get to enjoy anymore.  I’d forgotten how funny he is.

I am excerpting a great deal, because of the evocative nature of the question – would you, if you could, and without harming him in any material way, remove Francis as pope with the push of a button? – and because of how Bear describes Francis.  It is not flattering, but I think it expresses what many frustrated souls feel at this point.

The upshot of Bear’s question is this: might not someone far worse come along?  For me, who tends to be hopeful about the future in some fundamental way in spite of all evidence to the contrary, I absolutely would press the button.  Yes, there is risk of someone far worse, far more capable in their efforts at destruction following after, but there does remain a distinct possibility of someone much better.  That possibility may be slight, but it is not non-existent.  The damage being done by the present occupant is unbelievably severe, so in spite of future risk, any chance of reward is very enticing:

Or perhaps the whole post is a joke meant to ID the “bad Catholics,” I don’t know.  To the ripoff (I know the post I’m quoting is ancient in internet terms – a whole 8 days old! – but too bad, I’m doing it anyway – my emphasis and comments):

The Bear has become an expert on Papal Oral Flatology over the last horrifying three years and eight months. He has noticed, as have many others, that the most noisome eruptions tend to occur when Francis rides in airplanes. It is then that Francis most clearly reveals that he is the West’s traitor-in-chief.

In the latest episode of the Vatican Gong Show, “Terror at 30,000 Feet,” the Pope’s word salad would win praise for sheer daring from Hell’s Kitchen’s Gordon Ramsay, and the envy of America’s dhimmi poster child, Archbishop Blase “Mentally Unstable” Cupich.

The question from a journalist was about 84-year-old french priest Jaques Hamel, who, while saying Mass, had his throat slashed by – oh, never mind, you know with taxonomical certainty by whom.

Pope Francis opened his mouth, and this remarkable statement came out. “Terrorism grows when there is no other option, and to the extent the world economy has at its center the god of money and not the person.”……..[Contrary to reason, as many of the terrorists who have attacked targets in the West, anyway, came not from grinding poverty, but from the professionally educated middle class.]

………the picture of Francis as a not-very-bright, narrow-minded, self-loathing Catholic and panderer with no talent for original thinking merely grew clearer. [Ouch. I’m not sure I agree he’s not very bright.  Not very imaginative, surely, blinded by ideology, certainly, provincial, yes, but not bright?  I think he has substantial native intelligence, it’s just been applied to dumb and self-serving things.  Also, while smart, he’s not the world-beating intellect he thinks he is. Like so many on the Left, he has no idea what he doesn’t know.]

With full knowledge that only the people he really cares about would agree with him, he went on to say that one could not speak of Islamic violence without speaking of Catholic violence. Really?  The Bear must be reading the wrong newspapers. Unless he is speaking of violence to the Faith, and against logic. There are violent people in every religion, you see. It’s like a “mixed fruit salad,” in his words. (Archbishop Cupich would prefer “a mixed nut cup”).
Pope Francis is either a liar or a lunatic with no grasp on reality. In either case, he is not fit to be Pope. But everybody knows that, even his friends. They value his dimness and gullibility. What an insult to Christians and others being killed everywhere with monotonous regularity by adherents of just one religion. The Pope just spit in Fr. Hamel’s dead face, and the face of Christ Himself, Who was present at that Mass……….

………..What if there was a button for Pope Francis? A magical button that would not kill, or hurt him in any way. He just wouldn’t be Pope anymore. He and his non-Western, screwed up Argentinian Marxist-Peronist worldview; his Narcissistic Personality Disorder; Islamophilia; borderline mental retardation and Modernism would just go away. 
Then we could at least play Conclave Roulette and hope there wasn’t another Francis in the chamber.
On second thought, we know Francis’ “extreme danger is mitigated by manifold non-compensatable personal deficiencies.” [That’s Bear’s conclusion, not mine] But if we got a smart Francis, one who was able to broaden the appeal of his awful message beyond the majority of usual suspects, then we might be willing to give anything to have the incompetent Jorge Bergoglio back.
Someday Francis will shuffle off this mortal coil and ascend to Marxist-Islamic Heaven, where righteous Reds get to live on a collective beet farm with 72 virgins with hoes.  His will all look like Eva Peron. Then we’ll find out whether the Church threw up an outlier, or if Francis was the first Pope of the new normal.

How about a little of column A, and a little of column B?

That is to say, the choice may not be binary.  It may not be, either we get someone much more radical, and much more capable, than Franics, or we get a new Benedict.  A few thoughts.

Leftists, while often wily and quite bright, naturally, are not nearly as smart as they think they are, overall.  They tend to be lazy – morally, intellectually, etc.  Yes, that’s somewhat self-serving, and there are certainly exceptions, but as one generation on the Left has replaced another, has it been marked by a rapidly spiraling upward intellectual trend, or are they more or less persisting on the vapors of work done generations ago?  I have long tended to believe, it is the latter.  And that is true even more in the Church than in the world, because the Church is an insular authoritarian state where opposition can be easily crushed by a small cadre holding great power.  This has led to inbreeding, decadence, and intellectual softness.

Put another way: what if they pushed and elected Francis because they recognized in him the very best they have?

I think we’ve had two generations of churchmen now who have very little knowledge of Scripture, or Doctrine, or Canon Law, or Church machinery.  They know their own little bailiwick enough to run it – after a fashion –  but not much outside it.  They spout tired liberal pablum because that’s all they know.  There aren’t many Bea’s, Congar’s, Schillebeeckx’, Rahners and young Ratzingers running around, men exceedingly well formed who rejected orthodoxy to various degrees but always kept the enormous benefit of the rigorous environment in which they were formed.

That’s not to say there isn’t a danger of a “new normal.”  The danger is huge and growing every day Francis stays in office, as the cardinalate is stacked more and more with his appointees.  But there is a chance things may not get much worse than they are now.

On the other side, the same applies.  I love Cardinal Burke in many respects but I question whether his formation is the equal of a middling Cardinal of, say, 1940.  There may not be many Benedicts left in the till, either.

So what am I saying?  A Church that steadily falls into a grinding, monotonous mediocrity.

To me, however, the chances of finding a “better than Francis” decrease with each passing day. So, I’m pounding that button hard.

What we need is a miracle.  A Pius V or X or even Gregory XVI.

Not that I’m holding my breath.

Comments

1. Barbara Hvilivitzky - August 9, 2016

This is a surprising statement: “There aren’t many Bea’s, Congar’s, Schillebeeckx’, Rahners and young Ratzingers running around, men exceedingly well formed who rejected orthodoxy to various degrees but always kept the enormous benefit of the rigorous environment in which they were formed.”

These men were taught by the Modernists in the generation that preceded them. Just who was Pius X talking about way back in the early 1900s if not the teachers of the men you name? They were/are all Modernists, Ratzinger and John Paul II too. One or two statements over the years that may have been orthodox cannot undo the terrible damage of their heterodox words and deeds.

We have been in trouble with our theologians and philosophers for over a century. What we see in Francis is a ‘post-thinking’ priest/bishop/pope. The intellect is dimmed but the will is super-charged by the adulation of ‘the world’ and we see the result.

The men you named cannot be rehabilitated, sorry.

Camper - August 9, 2016

Amen! Even if there were a ‘button’ to get rid of the Pope, he has already adulterated the Sacred College so much (even beyond the adulteration it had already experienced) that the heretics would simply pick another scumbag! Vatican II directly contradicts the Syllabus of Errors! Benedict XVI, Congar, Schillebeeckx, and JPII were all trained by phenomenologists, not Thomists! Just follow the example of St. Athanasius!

Tantumblogo - August 9, 2016

Had enough of self-justification, yet? Ever do much else?

Tantumblogo - August 9, 2016

May have been, Barbara, but compared to seminary formation of today, they still got far more exposure to Aquinas and other very robust sources. Seminary formation today is far weaker and more politicized, by and large, than it was 70-80 years ago (or 100+) when folks like Bea, etc., were being formed.

Tantumblogo - August 9, 2016

Put another way, they may have rejected solid formation, but it doesn’t mean they didn’t ever receive any of it, while today it is very rarely if every available.

2. DM - August 9, 2016

I’d be pushing that button in a second whether it harmed him or not. I think the next Pope will most likely be someone somewhat similarly to Francis, maybe just slightly better. I think many of even the moderate cardinals who voted for him have realized they made a mistake, and will go for someone not quite so extreme, and not someone even worse like Marx. The danger is someone with a reputation in the mainstream as fairly “moderate” or supposedly orthodox, and thus able to get a lot of votes, but who in reality is just as bad as Francis, like a Tagle or Schonborn.

I’ve long believed the only way God will get His Church out of the mess it’s in today will be with a miraculously good Pope. Despite the large cohort of young, orthodox and traditional clergy in their 20s and 30s coming up, that still simply won’t be enough to turn things around.

I don’t know who that candidate might be today, even the good Cardinals Pell or Burke I wouldn’t say quite fit the bill. But I would see it having to be someone with that charismatic ‘star’ quality, who can easily win over people, even liberals and relatively lukewarm or faithless Catholics. A St. Gregory or Savonarola-type figure.

richardmalcolm1564 - August 9, 2016

I think there’s a good possibility we might just a compromise elderly nonentity cardinal elected – someone quiet (even liberal bishops are exhausted by Francis’s volubility), likely to have a short pontificate.

We could do worse.

(We could also do better, i.e., Sarah, Ranjith or Piacenza.)

Only divine intervention can really lift the Church out of this. We just don’t know when.

3. Paul - August 9, 2016

Yes!

4. richardmalcolm1564 - August 9, 2016

“So what am I saying? A Church that steadily falls into a grinding, monotonous mediocrity.”

In fairness, there was an awful lot of clerical mediocrity in the 10th and early 11th centuries, and the Papacy was reduced to a plaything by reprobates of Roman noble families.

Then along came the Hildebrandian Reform, which grew out of the Cluniac monastic reform movement. May we pray and hope there is a HIldebrandian Reform in our near future.

Tantumblogo - August 9, 2016

You’re absolutely right. Horrid clergy/leadership was also a factor in the protestant revolt.

richardmalcolm1564 - August 9, 2016

You read some of the history of those “Pornocracy” Popes, and you just shake your head in dismay. The quality of bishops was similarly bad for the most part, and even many monasteries had become corrupt in various ways (thus, the Cluniac reaction).

We were spared worse damage simply because primitive communications and the disruption of Saracen, Viking and Magyar invasions kept the news of whatever they said and did from reaching much of anyone. Which isn’t to say that even the sex fiend bishops of the 10th century weren’t more nominally orthodox than a lot of what prevails in the episcopate today.

5. Brian Springer - August 9, 2016

I would like to hope that the next Pope would be better, but I’m not so sure. If the Cardinals were interested in picking a better candidate, I think they’d probably choose Tagle or Schonborn, and as someone mentioned already, they are hardly what any traditionalist would consider good. So with that said, I’d just leave it up to God and try to resist the temptation to become despondent as the situation gets worse and worse.

6. richardmalcolm1564 - August 9, 2016

Cardinal Robert Sarah is my “high end” reasonable hope. Cdl. Ranjith is more “trad,” but he has less chance than Sarah, I think (and Burke has virtually none). Sarah would be a more exciting and impactful pick anyway. Not likely, perhaps – he has made some enemies, too – but the college might be ready for an African pick now.

But what do I know? I thought Ratzinger had very little chance in 2005, and I thought Scola had it in the bag in 2013.

7. Blaine - August 9, 2016

I kinda look at it this way anymore…

I could be wrapped up all in this. Is Pope Francis good? Bad? Should he stay or go? Were Saint(!) Pope John Paul II, or Pope (Emeritus!) Benedict modernists, or throwbacks, or orthodox, heterodox, both? Should Fr. Jazzhands be excommunicated? Joe Biden smacked with canon 915?

The answer isn’t going to change the fact that I’m a crappy Catholic all by myself who doesn’t pray enough, doesn’t practice the spiritual or corporal works of mercy enough, doesn’t love his neighbor or defends the Church, swears and lusts, is greedy and envious and prides himself on his pride. I’m a horrible example to my children, I can’t contriol my temper or my thoughts, I’m not at peace and though I say I long for heaven my eyes are turned backwards like Lot’s wife longing for the good old (bad) times. I’m a coward and a sluggard. Virtue is a buzzword I throw out while succumbing to vice. I’m a hot mess, basically.

But by God’s grace I’ll get better. So if given the opportunity I would grab the button, throw it in the ocean, and say a Rosary for my soul and my wife and children and Holy Mother Church. Maybe the button would hit the bottom right side up and he’d stay, maybe upside down and he’d go, or maybe it would short out and work (or not) on the way down. Who cares – that outcome isn’t going to affect me or my Heavenly prospects – personal sanctity will! I’ve got to quit aiming for purgatory and shoot for the moon. The Pope isn’t going to change that one way or another. The tools are there, the saints have shown the way, the Angels are my guide. Scripture is the instruction manual, the Church’s Magesterium the playbook. I just gotta pay attention to that.

End rant.

8. stjeanmarievianney,orapronobis - August 10, 2016

I wouldn’t push the button. The will of God is occurring and like many say, people are slowly starting to wake up. Everyone will soon be faced with a choice as to which camp they’re in – the Church of Now or the Church that Christ established.
Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI, God bless him, is a modernist.
Cardinal Burke, God bless him, is a junior modernist.
God save us. May the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary save us soon.
As for me and my family, we fully intend to participate in the rosary & sacrifice crusade starting on August 15 as called for by Bishop Fellay.
God bless you all!

9. Dismas - August 10, 2016

I’m with SJMV OPN above. All one has to do is look at some of the choices I have made in my ignorance and they would amputate my finger before they let me push the button. I’m firmly convinced that God knows better than I and I’ll go with what He appears to have chosen.

None of this is to say that I do not deplore the current leadership in the Church or that I am utterly unable to distinguish between authentic Catholicism and this other religion that these men (ultimately unsuccessfully) are attempting to impose upon us.

But I’ll not push that button. Got plenty to answer for already, thank you.

Brian E. Breslin - August 10, 2016

Well said Blaine and Dismas.
Tantum, they sound like you a couple of years ago.

10. Gc5341 - August 10, 2016

Without question and with great joy I would push the get rid of Francis button. Pope Francis’ papacy is a disgrace. His papacy is for today’s uninformed modernist people who have no sense of history. Much of what Francis has said is alarming and confusing. Many people apologize or make excuses for Francis. I don’t buy it. Francis is intelligent and knows what he is saying. Try to square the clear unwavering language and leadership of holy pontiffs like Leo XII and Pius X, XI and XII with Pope Francis’ words and leadership. They are not cut from the same cloth. The Lord was clear when He spoke. The devils sows confusion. Sorry but the truth about Francis is not nice.

Gc5341 - August 10, 2016

Sorry for my typo I meant Leo XIII not XI.

11. Gary - August 10, 2016

YES

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