9/11 Fifteen Years On: The Jumpers September 9, 2016
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It seems impossible we’re coming up on the 15th anniversary of 9/11. I do not know where the time has gone. I’m pretty disconnected from the dominant or major media, but am I wrong that there is very little mention of this upcoming anniversary? I guess 15th anniversaries aren’t that big a deal? I know 10 was a pretty big deal, and maybe 20 will be. Or maybe it’s just passe’ and too inconvenient to discuss, because it weighs too much against things like unconstrained immigration of unassimilable populations, the permanent democrat majority, etc.
And then again, maybe a lot of people just want to forget. They’d rather pretend it didn’t happen, or couldn’t happen again, or was some hideously byzantine government plot to kill thousands for a small increase in profit for a handful of corporations. But I don’t want to forget. I can’t forget. I can’t forget how strange it was to live in DFW and not see a single plane in the sky for days. I can’t forget watching two massive towers collapse.
Most of all, I can’t forget the jumpers. I can’t forget that there were people in such desperate, tortuous straits, they chose to fall to a certain death rather than to burn to death or choke to death on acrid smoke. There were quite a few, dozens, at a minimum. If you really want to have a grisly experience – and I don’t recommend you do – you can find the pictures of some of their remains online. They are out there. What happens to a human body when it slams into the pavement at 120 mph……saying it’s not pretty is more than an understatement.
Whatever one thinks of who ultimately committed this atrocity – and I firmly believe a small group of determined men can accomplish mighty and/or terrible things, like the conquest of the Aztec Empire – it did happen. 3000 people died in the space of an hour or so. 6000+ were injured. The deaths of many of those were incomprehensibly brutal and terrifying. Stuck in an airliner flying over NYC at 600ft and 400 mph, knowing you were going to die any second. Trapped in a burning building. Being on one of the lower floors, maybe trying to flee down a stairwell, when the earthquake of thousands of tons of concrete and steel starting to collapse unveiled itself.
I think in all the conspiracy theories and global war on terror and pro- and anti-muslim rhetoric that has dominated discussion over the past 15 years, the true nature of the day has been lost. It was a day of unspeakable tragedy on a profoundly human level. That’s the part that needs to be remembered, at least now, less what caused this or what came after, but what happened to nearly 10,000 people on that day. That’s what sticks with me, anyway.
So I attach the following images not to be morbid, or provocative, or morose, but to remember. This happened, and may God have mercy on all those who died, or who lost a loved one on that nightmarish day:
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Thank you for this post. You really know how to make a person reflect on things. One question – is it a sin to jump off a building because you’ll be burned to death. I think I’d rather do that than burn.
Suicide is definitely a grave sin, generally viewed as mortal. Under normal circumstances it is absolutely morally forbidden. When confronted with certain death, an immensely painful death, is it permissible to try to take one’s life in what would hopefully be a less painful way (though still impossibly terrifying)? I think the better thing to do is to let events play out as God wills, as difficult as that my seem, but whether there is sin in jumping I don’t know.
One thing that’s hard to see through is the 20/20 hindsight. We know those people were all as good as dead, but they did not necessarily know that at that time. Some were certainly confronted with raging fire and black, acrid smoke, the fires may have been getting to the point where it was untenable to stay put for some, but others were just sort of trapped but not immediately threatened. So there may be a bit of a scale, where depending on how grave the threat was any avenue of escape, even one so terrible as falling to one’s death, may have less moral culpability.
Horrendous circumstance. I pray for mercy for those who were caught in it, and that I myself, nor any of my readers, will ever be confronted in such a fireball nightmare.
One of Bush’s finer moments:
Let’s not mince words. The problem isn’t Al-Qaeda, ISIS, the Muslim Brotherhood, Iran, Saudi Arabia or any other similar entity. The problem is Islam itself. Period.
The Catholic Church has adopted a de facto stance of appeasement toward Islam. That’s been true since the days of John Paul II, who actually forged such a policy:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/261138/mecca-tiber-joseph-hippolito
Islam is nothing but religious Nazism. Rome’s position toward Mecca, morally speaking, is no different than Vichy’s toward Berlin more than 70 years ago.
Islamist terror will not be defeated unless Islam is destroyed. Most people in the West — including the current Pope and his hierarchical acolytes — are either too stupid or too morally flaccid to realize that.
You have no argument from me. I’m with you 100%, islam is a perverted death cult that has spread rapine, subjugation, murder, ignorance, immorality, and general misery wherever it has spread.
As to the Church’s response, thanks for putting it in such clear terms. Again, I cannot argue with anything you have said.
I will never forget that day. It was the hubs 46th bday… And what a sobering day it was. I cannot imagine the anguish and desperation of the poor souls stuck in those buildings…. And the incredible bravery of the MEN on Flight 93. I’ve watched that film several times, and always find it interesting how, slowly but certainly, the MEN take over control of the situation from the female flight attendants. I wonder if such men would do the same today?
I have a cousin who was a flight attendant who grew up around here. He sometimes was in New York and had served on one of the flights involved in 9/11 — but luckily not on that day. He was in the air however and was involved in the full ground stop (landed in the middle of the country, not NY). I think literally everyone in the nation must either have been directly involved, or knew someone who knew someone…
Yes, I had a nephew who lived about six blocks from ground zero… He was going to school in NY….you are so right.
Glad he was okay, at least physically. I also think about the Pennsylvania crash site. That plane turned around over Cleveland airspace. Both of my parents grew up in Cleveland and there are relatives there. Family, including me since I was very little, have periodically flown in and out of Hopkins (the airport there) over the years. And then there was the lady at Church who had a family member working at the Pentagon — but not hurt. The list just goes on and on, doesn’t it ?
What the “conspiracy theorists” dispute is not that people died, but that this was wholly a surprise terrorist attack. What 9/11 truthers maintain, in part, is that the towers came down ultimately via explosion, not due to the airplanes crashing into them.
Correct, Branch. I am one of the “conspiracy theorists.” Leave Buildings I and II aside for the moment. We are to believe that Building VII fell square into its own footprint at unopposed speed because planes hit Buildings I and II? Right-O.
I think the theory is that the structure was badly compromised by millions of tons of debris falling from the adjacent towers and striking WTC7, which caused subsequent fires that burned out of control because damage to the water system left very little pressure in the lower Manhattan region. The Trump-built World Financial Center buildings across the street were also badly damaged but they were able to be saved. WFC1 was almost the exact same distance from WTC1 as WTC7. It did not suffer from fires as severe, however.
Another factor was the very odd construction of WTC7 from the get-go, it was built above a Con-Ed power substation requiring a very funky lower structure that probably had inadequate margin from the start. The new building does not have this problem as the substation was removed post-collapse.
Ain’t buyin’ it.
well on your side it is admitted to be the only steel frame building ever to collapse primarily from fire. It really isn’t known how much structural damage was done because little attention was paid to it during the ongoing catastrophe and there is little documentation of the state of the building after WTC1 and 2 collapsed. There was certainly some damage, but how severe is really unknown.