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Will You Go to Hell For Failure to Ecuminate? October 5, 2016

Posted by Tantumblogo in Basics, catachesis, different religion, disaster, error, foolishness, Francis, General Catholic, horror, persecution, Revolution, scandals, sickness, Society, the struggle for the Church.

Ecuminate (eh-cuum-in-ate): the act of being ecumenical.

So can you be damned to hell for all eternity for failing to be sufficiently ecumenical, or at least suffer additionally in Purgatory for the same “crime?”

Franky George Bergoglio thinks so:

“Be open, be a friend. ‘But I must do everything to convert them!’ There’s a great sin against ecumenism: proselytism, they’re “our brothers and sisters.”

And remember, “proselytism is solemn nonsense.”  I’ll remember to tell that to Saints Francis Xavier, Martin de Porres, Boniface, Augustine, Isaac Jogues, Jean de Brebeuf, et. al, if I am blessed enough to meet them in Heaven.

Do I even need to unpack this?  We see in this statement how in the mind of a progressive, a highly disordered and abused “movement” within the Church magically transmogrifies into a pseudo-doctrine over a few decades, or, at least, when it suits the needs of the progressive to pretend it so.  Ecumenism is the solemn nonsense to me.  It’s been a movement rife with indifferentism and bearing destructive influences since its inception and has primarily served to wound the Church, not bring Catholics and X closer together.

Surely some preparatory rhetoric there for the upcoming 500th anniversary of Luther circle jerks “celebrations.”

Another plane flight, another disastrous statement or series thereof.  The same Bishop of Rome who decried “gender ideology” – whatever that meant to him then, in that context, because it constantly shifts – had just days before called a woman a “man” and “married” even though that poor lost individual had had themselves mutilated to appear something like a man (though a really pitiful one) and then proceeded to “marry” another woman.  That’s a public endorsement of everything gender theory has tried to advance for decades.  Once again, a different venue and a different audience yields a different, even contradictory, response.

And as if that were not enough (and this one I’m not ripping off Vox, I found it on my own), it seems it’s become something like open season against the 45 leading Churchmen who had sent a private letter to Francis imploring him to “clarify” the extremely damaging statements of Amoris Laetitia.  That letter was subsequently leaked – very likely from the Vatican itself – and the names of the signatories released.  Those signatories have since been enduring some harsh repercussions from the “peace, love, and brotherhood” side of the Church:

Some of the scholars who sent an appeal to the 218 Cardinals and patriarchs are under fire for urging corrective measures to clarify “a number of statements that can be understood in a sense that is contrary to Catholic faith and morals” in Amoris Laetitia.

A few weeks ago, a letter from Pope Francis surfaced that expressed the Holy Father’s support to the bishops of the Buenos Aires, Argentina, pastoral region that read: “No other interpretation” of Amoris Laetitiais valid, consequently allowing the distribution of Holy Communion to divorced/remarried (Catholics) in some cases — certainly one of the hot topics in question.

Many of the signatories of the scholarly appeal remain anonymous to protect their reputation and jobs. Yet some are still suffering pressure for their attempt to stay faithful to Church teaching and tradition.

LifeSiteNews has gathered information – confirmed by several of the signatories, including the spokesperson, Dr. Joseph Shaw – that one signatory, who is well known internationally,  has lost his position as a director of academic affairs at a Pontifical university.

Another was threatened by his bishop that his academic sabbatical would be canceled, but he found another bishop willing to allow him to begin the process of incardination in his diocese.

Yet another has been forbidden to speak publicly about Amoris Laetitia, and another has been told to rescind his signature.

And a Cardinal put pressure on one of the signatories to withdraw his name.

Call ’em out.  Name names. Document everything possible.  Bring the evidence. Sure, the whistle blower will almost certainly suffer even more, they almost always do, but it would be an immense service to the Church to know just whom is committing these acts of repression.  More than likely, the names will be little surprise.

According to the new religion, everyone is entitled to heaping helpings of mercy, except those worthless Pharisaical Promethean neo-Pelagian adherents of the bad old religion.

Apparently we have two new super-Commandments.  “Thou shalt ecuminate with all thy heart, and all thy soul, and all thy strength,” and the second is like unto it, “Thou shalt not point out the emperor’s nakedness.”


1. Gary - October 5, 2016

Oh well, I’m a ‘Deplorable’ according to Billary, I might as well be a’ Non Ecumenical ‘ too!

Baseballmom - October 7, 2016

LOL, I just got the t-shirt…. I too am a proud deplorable 😀

2. Faith of Our Fathers - October 5, 2016

Tantum-It really is time up . Just a few miles from me a mother has displayed her son on Twitter as a girl . When she introduces him as her she doesn’t even know what first name to call him / her whatever. What really gets me down is all the rest saying how brave he / she is . It’s certainly past the critical stage when parents go on to social media and say there children are now another sex . Then they I suppose take said child to Doctors and get them pumped full of Hormone Poison.

3. The Lord's Blog - October 5, 2016


c matt - October 6, 2016

“I came not to save the plorable, but the deplorable.”

Camper - October 6, 2016

I implore you to stop.

The Lord's Blog - October 6, 2016

Were in good company the.

4. The Lord's Blog - October 5, 2016

Reblogged this on Jean'sBistro2010's Blog and commented:
Great Ecumenical Article.

5. The Lord's Blog - October 5, 2016

My hope is that our hurting, bleeding church divided will be restored to its former glory in Jesus Name. Amen. That the nonsense going on today will fade fast and furious.

6. MrT - October 6, 2016

Here’s what’s with this, I think. I’m a traddie. I’ve been going to two or three Novus Ordo vigil rosaries or funeral Masses a year, seems like, because of family or work connections. I’ve concluded that the way those ceremonies are conducted reveal a parallel church with a different concept of God, mortal life, salvation, and eternity than the real Catholic Christian Faith. To me it’s no wonder that ecumania and indifferentism are shoved down our throats when these funeral rosaries and Masses rarely see funeral holy cards for the deceased or a guest book to sign. If you want a traditional 5-decade rosary, the deceased or husband of the deceased better be a Knight of Columbus so his brother Knights come and lead one. Otherwise, a deacon or rare priest leads a cherry-picked 5-decade scriptural rosary with one non-Glorious mystery and four Glorious mysteries interspersed with mini-homilies. These cute little pep talks tie in with the vibe at the Funeral Mass the next day. The coffin is draped in white. White vestments are worn. Pretty flowers are seen. Your favorite Missouri Jesuit happy hymns are heard. The funeral homily reinforces the new meaning of it all, discerned by our wise and groovy post-Vatican II leadership and flowed down to us poor ignorant little people. This theme is barely objected to by one or two weak little prayers asking for mercy for the deceased. The theme is, God has allowed this poor soul to suffer through earthly life, but this soul suffers no more. The funeral is a victory lap, and the deceased has already entered the pink sailboat and floated off to heaven. God is Grandpa God. Jesus’ suffering was not a sacrificial atonement. Nobody goes to any medieval creepy places like Purgatory or Hell. These rosaries and funerals invariably play out this way. You can see that if everyone and everything is ok in the end, the rest of it is arbitrary and doesn’t matter. Which brings us to the questions, why then go to your church? Why is it important that I put money in your collection basket and let you tickle my ear if all you ever tell me is that I’m ok and everyone else is ok and I don’t have anyone including myself to save? The pope is still the pope, but go where the Faith is still taught. Try to convert lost souls. Pray for your dead. They might be suffering what seems to them an eternity in Purgatory. The fire in Purgatory burns the same as in Hell, only it’s not eternal. Any priest who has no desire to convert souls does not love them.

Gc5341 - October 6, 2016

I understand your frustration. Sometimes the wheels seem to be coming off. As Padre Pio said we should pray and not worry. Turn it all over to Jesus and unite your suffering with his suffering.

This weekend I atrended a Mass for a relative’s engagement. The priest told the photographers to stop taking pictures while he gave a short homily because it distracted him. This priest had no problems allowing the photographers to constantly snap flash photos during every other part of Mass including the consecration!

Tantumblogo - October 6, 2016

Fantastic comment. Thanks so much. You’re spot on regarding the “Rosaries” at viewings prior to NO funeral Masses – they are all the smash up variety incorporating every liberal’s favorite happy clappy mysteries.

7. c matt - October 6, 2016

In Spanish, it would be ecuminate (eh-cum-in-ah-tay) . It would basically mean “go be ecumenical with yourself,” the makings of an interesting insult – “Che, Jorge, ecuminate”.

8. Tim - October 6, 2016

It’s funny how the bishops “sin” against “ecumenism” in their dealings with the SSPX. Hypocrites.

9. tg - October 7, 2016

Does anybody have a problem with the Pope’s intentions for the month – sometimes about journalists. Mundabor’s blog petty old man states he’s probably ticked off at some journalist. Being October, the intentions should have dealt with pro-life issues and encouraging Catholics to pray the rosary.

10. Angelic Doctor Games - October 11, 2016

You know, I wasn’t too much a regular reader or at least didn’t consider myself so nor did I find it comfortable to read your criticisms of the current pope, however, in light of current events in my family which could only be characterized as having been impacted by much of what you have endeavored to warn the faithful about, I now consider myself not just a regular reader but that your writings are essential and the criticisms of the pope justifiable. Keep up the good work.

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