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If You Want to Get Involved in the Fight over Atonement Parish in San Antonio – UPDATED January 24, 2017

Posted by Tantumblogo in abdication of duty, asshatery, Basics, different religion, episcopate, error, foolishness, General Catholic, horror, Latin Mass, Liturgy, persecution, priests, Revolution, scandals, the struggle for the Church, unbelievable BS.
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……..a site has been constructed to help keep people informed.  There is a meeting for concerned parishioners and others interested in maintaining orthodox catechesis and reverent liturgy in the San Antonio area this Thursday, January 26, at the Embassy Suites hotel ballroom at 7750 Briaridge, San Antonio at 7:00 pm.

The website only has basics on Fr. Phillips and the Atonement situation at present, but hopefully it will be updated to indicate how people can help.  You might consider contacting the chancery of the Archdiocese of San Antonio directly at 210-734-2620 or perhaps the Vicar General or others listed on this site, like the communications director Jordan McMorrough at the same number, x1128.

Raise a ruckus.  Get their attention.  Don’t cuss, don’t proclaim them to be bound for hell, but do express your exasperation and scandal at this development.

Naturally, no contact info for either of San Antonio’s bishops was provided.  We wouldn’t want the bishops to be bothered by puny little things like the spiritual lives of hundreds of distraught souls.  They’re much too busy, and frankly too good, to deal with any little thing like that.

In the interim, the Diocese of Dallas will breathe a hefty sigh of relief that the mighty triple 16″ 50 cal guns of veneremurcernui.wordpress.com are directed on another target………….heh.

UPDATE:  IMPORTANT! Commenter Richard Malcolm had this to add:

I think it’s important to note that Mr. Wilson’s letter at the SaveAtonement site is urging those interested NOT to contact the chancery, as he thinks this will be counterproductive. “Any individual action such as writing to the archbishop or demonstrating at the chancery could be counter-productive. Please use common sense.”  However, he seems to favor bombarding the Congregation for Clergy.
I don’t know enough to say. I suspect he’s right – he seems to know his stuff – though the faithful of a parish have a right to express their concerns about their parish and pastor to their ordinary, even when they know it may be futile. I think non-OLA people may want to confine themselves to the Congregation, though.

Tantumblogo comments: I can understand Mr. Wilson’s point of view.  You can certainly do what you feel best.  I have seen both approaches.  Whether being meek and silent or loud and boisterous works better depends much upon the situation.  I’m on the outside here, so I’ll tend to defer to what the locals think, but I will add this little bit of opinion: letters to the Vatican will have even less impact than those sent to the chancery.  Especially with this pontiff.

I know of only one priest who faced a railroad job like this that survived it.  And he “survived” by being banished to the furthest reaches of the diocese, but he did not cave on authentic catechesis and reverent liturgy.  He did that by being prepared well in advance with very strong canon law representation.  He also had all the facts on his side and not a single complaint against him.  That why I tend to default to the make a ruckus approach.  It’s high risk, yes, but also high reward if the ruckus is loud enough and garners enough media attention.  It could the only thing that “saves Atonement.”

Mr. Malcolm may offer a middle way: outsiders like most readers of this blog  may want to demure from contacting the Archdiocese (in my experience, not many would, anyway).  Let the folks in San Antonio deal with this matter for now.  But do as the Spirit moves you.

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Comments

1. Amillennial - January 24, 2017

Thank you kindly for the information.

2. Richard Malcolm - January 24, 2017

Hello Tantum,

I think it’s important to note that Mr. Wilson’s letter at the SaveAtonement site is urging those interested NOT to contact the chancery, as he thinks this will be counterproductive. “Any
individual action such as writing to the archbishop or demonstrating at the chancery could be counter-productive. Please use common sense.”

However, he seems to favor bombarding the Congregation for Clergy.

I don’t know enough to say. I suspect he’s right – he seems to know his stuff – though the faithful of a parish have a right to express their concerns about their parish and pastor to their ordinary, even when they know it may be futile.

I think non-OLA people may want to confine themselves to the Congregation, though.

Tantumblogo - January 24, 2017

I’ll add this to the post.

Camper - January 24, 2017

I looked up the Congregation for Clergy and there seems to be no way to contact them over this on their official site.

Tantumblogo - January 24, 2017

I think you have to use snail mail. I’m not entirely certain contacting the Congregation for Clergy would be effective. I’m also not certain it’s simply a way to try to control the situation and divert pious outrage into a black hole. One thing I know about lawyers, they always want to control the message very carefully, even to the extent that might not always be in their client’s best interest. The lawyers certainly think it is, but their internal bias in this regard is often so severe it blinds them to the positive effects an orchestrated PR campaign can have.

Richard Malcolm - January 24, 2017

I’d be curious to know more from Wilson about why he thinks it would be counterproductive. They’re the ones who will really be affected, so I’d like to know more.

I will say – again – that I can see a stronger argument for parishioners contacting the chancery (respectfully) than for outsiders. They do have that right.

Tantumblogo - January 24, 2017

Another thought – the Congregation for Clergy moves so slow, by the time they make a decision, it is almost certain that years would have passed and the toll on Atonement parish impossible to recover from.

3. Richard Malcolm - January 24, 2017

P.S. The priest you know who was railroaded…a certain priest in the diocese whose removal by a previous bishop caused a stir? 🙂

4. NickD - January 24, 2017

16″ 50 cal guns? Surely you meant 16″, Tantum… I can’t fathom (pun intended) a dreadnought with 50 cal main guns, haha

Richard Malcolm - January 25, 2017

I think this is definitely a reference to the Iowa-class’s legendary Mark 7 gun – which was indeed 50 cal. “These guns were 50 calibers long—or 50 times their 16-inch (406 mm) bore diameter which makes the barrels 66.6 feet (20 m) long, from breechface to muzzle.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16%22/50_caliber_Mark_7_gun

Tantumblogo - January 25, 2017

Yes. A little joke on my part. I’m sure the diocese regards me more as a gnat, if they regard me at all, than a 2700lb AP shell.

NickD - January 25, 2017

Oh, that makes much more sense! Thank you, Richard. Also, Tantum, you may be more of a destroyer or submarine…staying well out of sight, undetected, but still capable of causing a ruckus.

This is completely off-topic, but the Iowa-class ships simply astound me. I’m nostalgic for a period I can’t even remember…

Richard Malcolm - January 25, 2017

Understandable. 🙂 They were the best battleships of World War II, which means the best battleships ever (yes, I think an Iowa could take a Yamato in single combat – especially at night).

5. Dorothy - January 25, 2017

I highly recommend two books:

AA1025 and

Taylor Caldwell’s “Dear and Glorious Physician”

I believe Taylor Caldwell spent 10 years researching St. Luke. Much of her research was done in the Vatican Library.

6. selena - January 25, 2017

haven’t you learned that silence equals consent in any and all situations ?
anyway, i’m at the point of asking for some form of dispensation and going over to the authentic Orthodox church.i can’t take anymore.

Camper - January 25, 2017

The Orthodox don’t believe in the indissolubility of marriage, which was taught by Christ, but the SSPX does.

Richard Malcolm - January 25, 2017

Yeah, that’s the thing.

The Orthodox are the one obvious option on the table, so to speak, if you decided you can no longer accept the Petrine claims.

But if you’re doing it over a flip on the marriage question….just about all the Orthodox churches caved on that question beginning in the 6th to 11th centuries. Even the Oriental (non-Chalcedonian) Churches allow divorce in cases of adultery.

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8. Scottrhodie - January 25, 2017

I have been

9. Scottrhodie - January 25, 2017

I have been involved in a number of church disputes, usually parishioners against bullying modernist pastors or bishops. In every case but one the parishioners lost. In the sole victory, which led to the retreat of the bishop and resignation of the pastor, the difference was that email, social media, and vigorous publicizing allowed us to get our version of events out into the world rather than having the message controlled by the church authorities. When the truth was out there, it was not flattering to bishop and pastor, and they were not prepared to defend themselves or prosecute the case further. I think the days are past when matters such as this can be handled discreetly behind closed doors.

Tantumblogo - January 25, 2017

Good point. I hope to have more on this in a couple of days. Pray God it won’t be too late by then.

10. Woody Jones - January 26, 2017

I, too am contemplating returning to Holy Orthodoxy, not, as you say, over the marriage issue per set but over the broader issue that was highlighted a couple of days ago: the Spirit of Vatican II coming back, and that means the return of the Revolution. And if the Revolution has captured the church how can it be the true church?

11. David - January 27, 2017

Wow – this is bigger news than I thought. Raymond Arroyo reported on this tonight – January 26, 2017, on EWTN’S The World Over Live. Raymond opined that the removal of Fr. Phillips may have been done to prevent OLA from accomplishing the vision of entering the Anglican Ordinariate.

Raymond Arroyo stood up for Fr. Phillips, and again, Raymond is upholding orthodoxy. I have witnessed Raymond do this multiple times on his show, mostly during this Pontificate.


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