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Catholic Answers Akin: Catholics Should Commemorate the Protestant Revolution September 21, 2017

Posted by Tantumblogo in abdication of duty, different religion, disaster, Ecumenism, error, foolishness, Francis, General Catholic, pr stunts, Revolution, sadness, scandals, secularism, self-serving, Society, the struggle for the Church.
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I’ve never had much truck with Catholic Answers or any of its apologists.  Since my conversion, I’ve always found Jimmy Akin to be pretty squishy.  Both Akin and the broader organization are – and I use the term reluctantly – thoroughgoing neo-Catholics who have unequivocally demonstrated that their faith, if not quite amounting to a cult of personality revolving around the present occupant of the See of Peter, is at the very least far too pliant and far too – it seems – willing to change radically depending on what emanates from the current occupant of the Chair. Now, I’ve heard Akin spend hours arguing extremely detailed points of Scripture with protestants, pointing out their manifest errors.  But once Francis signaled that he found the 500th anniversary of the  protestant revolution/archheresy something to celebrate, even emulate, all those hours went out the window and now Akin proclaims his great sympathy for, even embrace of, these celebrations of the single most destructive event – for the eternal destiny of souls – in human history since the Fall.

Via reader Tim, The Remnant has its own take on this very sad exaltation of mass indifferentism.  I’ll let you go read that on your own time.

But ultimately that is what this is all about – the steady rise of religious indifference, affecting even some of the most core Doctrines of the Faith, which has afflicted the Church since Vatican II.

Ecumania – my silly term for ecumenism run wild – did not start with Francis.  It was going gangbusters in the years immediately following Vatican II, when the first rush of thrill of the “new and greater Pentecost” was still fresh and operative.  Ecumania cooled off somewhat with the surprise election of JPII as pope, but it certainly never went away.  Watch the footage or read the reports of Assisi ’86 for all the confirmation one needs of that.

I’m a former protestant.  My entire family still consists of active protestants of varying degrees of faith and commitment.  So, I have a very strong, personal interest in accepting and promulgating post-conciliar style ecumenism if it can be reconciled with the constant belief and practice of the Faith. But it cannot.  Not by the longest of shots.

One of the greatest evils afflicting our time is the lack of knowledge of history.  Coupled with widespread ignorance of theology in the Church, especially since Vatican II, and the set up is just right for convincing millions of Catholics that protestants are practically just like us, our slightly erroneous (on some tiny points of dogma nobody cares about anymore) brethren who just happen to find themselves outside the Church (and whose proselytizing activities – you know, all that solemn nonsense – are directed at Catholics as much, if not more, than out and out pagans, making tens of millions of Catholic converts to protestantism a year).

The problem is, some of us know a bit of theology.  And some of us know history.  And we know that, no matter what the protestant ecumenists try to say in all those wonderful ecumenical soirees in five star resorts, their understanding of Christianity is not just slightly deficient, it is not just a bit off, but it is directly contrary, on numerous critical points, to both Sacred Scripture and Tradition.  These errors are sufficient to make salvation of the souls holding these errors an exceptionally dicey proposition – many Saints during the age of anti-Church revolution and counter-revolution held that it made such salvation impossible.

But history weighs even more heavily against any “celebration” of the permanent, soul-crushing rending of Christendom.  Protestantism was everywhere founded by men seeking after their own prurient interests.  It started with Martin Luther, progressed through the truly unhinged and evil “Anabaptists,” reached its zenith of self-exalting human reason decoupled from supernatural Grace in Calvin and Zwinglii, and then fell into its gutter-trash denouement in the pathetic fall of Henry VIII into endless vice.

I haven’t got the space in this post to recount even a tiny percentage of the evils and vices of the men who unleashed so-called protestantism on the world.  The only thing they protested against was the idea that there was any moral law above that of their own, self-aggrandizing conception.

And that’s not even the half of it.  It is exceedingly easy to draw a straight line from the first inklings of self-serving, hedonistic rebellion against God’s Law and His vehicle on earth for propagating and enforcing that Law – the Church – and the debauched “man as his own God” neo-pagan, increasingly barbarous society in which we live today.  Protestantism set the stage for the ascendance of rationalism, science divorced from God and the supernatural, the concept of governmental authority arising up from the “will of the people” instead of down from Christ to man, steady and increasingly rapid collapse of the Christian moral order, and far too many other evils to list here.  Protestantism gave us doctrine by “Scripture alone,” salvation by “faith alone,” and made every single man into his own little magisterium, deciding for himself what to believe and what not to believe.  Sadly, over the past 60 years or so, most all of these errors have also found a home in the Church, once it seemed that protestantism and protestant-allied nations would be forever ascendant.

Now protestantism is in total collapse, racing ahead even of the Church, and we are supposed to celebrate it?  Protestantism has fragmented into tens of thousands of different sects and groups, each believing differently from each other and from the solemn Doctrine of the Faith.  Even that is not enough, and as more and more formerly “evangelical” and “fundamentalist” sects degenerate from one man’s rigid interpretation of Scripture to loose acceptance of societal norms (the “gay marriage” issue has been a disaster for evangelicals, with most of their young people eagerly accepting it), now protestants are increasingly devolving down into “house churches” and smaller and smaller groupings of people.  As soon as there is a disagreement, as there must inevitably be among 400 million little popes, the disaffected individuals break off and form their own sect.  This process of atomization will only continue.

In none of this is there anything to celebrate, let alone emulate.  Certainly distinctions can be made, that some protestants are better than others, that there are individual protestants who do lead very pious and holy lives, that there does exist some common ground between protestants and Catholics from which to build efforts against continuing cultural rot, but overall, especially in terms of major events like 500th anniversaries and the like, the core point that protestantism has been an unmitigated disaster for Christianity, and even more so for souls, must always carry precedence.

That doesn’t mean every single time we speak of an individual protestant and something they’ve done well we have to issue a fiery condemnation.  But it also means that we as Catholics don’t see anything, at all, to celebrate, emulate, extol, tout, or even positively mention regarding the phenomenon of protestantism historically, today, or in the future.

This is not the kind of unity Christ sought.  Our Blessed Lord, who died to give us the Truth necessary for salvation, certainly sought unity within His Church – but that’s just the point.  Protestants are not in His Church.  They left it.  Sure, there’s many protestants alive today who “inherited” protestantism culturally, through their families, and not so much as a deliberate act of rebellion.  The Church, however, taught for centuries that once protestants came of age, they DID make at least a tacit choice, to reject the Church and the Truth revealed through her.

Protestants reject whole swaths of the Gospel Christ came to live out and communicate to us.  Among individual protestants, there may be more that “unites us” than “divides,” but, overall, protestantism has been, continues to be, and was in fact created to always be, a force for continuing division and strife among Christians.  It is inseparable from its nature – it is “cooked into” the very idea that individual  men, absent the divine Grace associated with the office of priesthood, bishop, and Pope, can determine for himself what Scripture says, what Truth to believe.

Events like this 500th anniversary should, for Catholics, be a time of great sadness, which sadness pray God will form a wellspring of determination to fight for the true of Christianity again, within the bosom of Holy Mother Church.  “The discredited theology of the return” – to quote Benedict XVI – is not discredited.  It is entirely necessary.  It is only the fallen men within the leadership of the Church, and organizations dependent upon that leadership’s constant good graces, who have given up on that theology.  Because they fear and desire to please men more than God.

Now is a time for deep prayer and sacrifice, not only for our “separated brethren” in the protestant sects, but even more so for the leadership of our Church, and lay “apostolates” like Catholic Answers, which shake like a reed to every change in direction of earthly winds.

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1. TF - September 22, 2017

Sobering article, but you might have inadvertently left the impression that Christ failed to bring unity to His Church, which is not the case. Certainly, Catholics often leave that unity, but it is always present in the Body of Christ — how can it not be?

2. c matt - September 22, 2017

We should commemorate the Protestant Revolt much like we commemorate Pearl Harbor or 9/11 – recognize it for the attack on the Church that it is and the destruction it has caused; and never forget or surrender.

3. Tim - September 22, 2017

False ecimenism’s logical end:

https://www.infowars.com/illuminati-themed-fashion-show-held-at-london-catholic-church/

Will Francis condemn this? Will any bishop in England? Dream on.

4. Kate M - September 22, 2017

Your words shore me up to adhere to what I know is truth. Thank you

5. Andrew - September 22, 2017

It’s obvious that you didn’t read the Akin article.

Tim - September 22, 2017

So, you have a secret little camera drone that peered in on Tantum preparing this post, did ya? Or do you have powers that are beyond our understanding?

I read it and Mr.Akin is an ecumaniac, papolator, obedieolator, modernist heretic. Protestantism is a work of Satan and is a false religion. Any bits and pieces of truth that are found were stolen from Catholicism. Protestantism has been the cause of the loss of millions if not billions of souls in the last 500 hundred years. EENS!!!

Richard Malcolm - September 23, 2017

I read it.

Akin says: “In the years of conflict that followed the Reformation, attention focused on our theological differences, but we share a great deal of theology—belief that there is only one, true God, that Jesus Christ is his Son, that God is a trinity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Concerning Jesus, we believe in his Virgin Birth, his atoning death on the Cross, his bodily resurrection and ascension, and his Second Coming. We believe in the general resurrection and the final judgment, in heaven and hell, in sin and salvation, in the holy Scriptures as the inspired word of God, and in numerous additional truths.”

But many Protestants do *not* hold all of these views.

Even if they do – it’s not enough. It’s not. It’s just not.

If we want to have true charity for Protestants, we should should pray and work for their conversion.

Read Akin’s essay again and look for the word “convert” in any form. Reading it again, it’s hard to think he desires their salvation – or worse, that he assumes it.

Tantumblogo - September 25, 2017

For the record, I did read all of Akin’s piece. Yes it contained some strictly perfunctory statements to the effect that “of course this does not excuse all of protestantisms errors, or signal an embrace thereof” but that was squashed by 1500 odd words to the contrary, plus a great deal of frankly lousy and self-serving history – a great deal of which did a profound disservice to the Church of those times which fought an incredibly difficult spiritual and sometimes material battle against an implacable foe that seemed to be everywhere and almost impossible to get at. There were many times in the 16th and early 17th century when pious souls wondered whether the Church would even survive, at least in Western Europe. The protestant attack was incredible in its ferocity and scope. None of this should be minimized or, for the sake of a false, pretended unity, swept under the rug almost entirely.

6. edison frisbee - September 22, 2017

Catholic Answers jumped the shark a long time ago….

7. Margaret Costello - September 22, 2017

I refer to Protestantism as “Build a Bear Christianity” or “God according to Me, Myself and I”. It’s Idolatry 101, making God according to your own image. If the spirit of so called “truth” that Our Lord promised was actually in the Protestant sects there would be no such thing as contradicting doctrine or dogma, for Truth cannot contradict itself. The Protestant philosophy at it’s core IS schism itself…endless, endless, endless schism. Very sad and never anything to celebrate. God bless~

8. brucknerfan - September 23, 2017

Current divisions in the Catholic Church: Francis is Pope, Benedict is still Pope, it doesn’t matter who is Pope because the faithful can “resist” whatever Rome teaches that they don’t like, there has been no valid Pope since PIus XII, Cardinal Siri was elected Pope in 1958 and maybe also in 1963 and 1978, the Roman Rite since the Vatican 2 ordinal has no valid Holy Orders so go to the Byzantine Rite Divine Liturgy, only the pre-1955 Missale Romanum is valid for Latin Masses, the 1962 Missale Romanum is valid in spite of its changes. Did I leave any current divisions out?

Where are the Catholic faithful–forget about the Protestants!–to find the One True Church in the midst of these divisions?

Tim - September 23, 2017

You forgot the divisions within the divisions. Conservative Novus Ordo vs. flaming liberal(they’re both liberal), trad circular firing squads, other nonsense like anglican use…..next it will be lutheran use, muslim use, etc. There are even different degrees of sedes. I agree that in the end it doesn’t matter who the pope is, in a situation as today there is no way to know for certain. Pray, stay out of sin, do your duty, practice virtue and frequent the Sacraments.

9. Warren Malach - September 23, 2017

Where do you “frequent the Sacraments” if you
don’t know who in the Roman Rite have valid Holy Orders to administer valid Sacraments and who are using the correct Missale Romanum for the Latin Mass, or is one being a “Protestant” to try to answer these questions for oneself, as with the “resistance” crowd?

Did you ever think that the day would come when the Protestants would either be laughing at–or feeling sorry for–the members of the One True Church?

Tim - September 23, 2017

Your best bet is the SSPX, FSSP, ICK. Is that dogma?, obviously not.

“Resistance” crowd…..who’s that? We are called to use 1960 years of consistent teaching and our intellects to discern things like that. We are to resist error and its perpetrators. as far a “obedience”….true obedience is resisting error and embracing truth and tradition. St. Pius X told us to flee from novelty….this one standard alone should steer you in a safe direction.

brucknerfan - September 23, 2017

The SSPX uses the 1962 Missale Romanum with the 1955 Holy Week liturgical changes which were the beginning of the Vatican 2 “reforms.”
The SSPV does not. But where are the Roman Rite clergy who have received Holy Orders with the pre-Vatican 2 ordinal, if the Novus Ordo ordinal is as defective as the Anglican ordinal condemned by Pope Leo XIII?

The “resistance crowd” are found at the Tradition in Action website, where upon the basis of Gal. 2:11 it is asserted that a valid Pope is to be “resisted” when he teaches contrary to Holy Tradition. But WHO decides when that is happening?

Tim - September 23, 2017

What is the SSPV stance on the “sede” issue?

Richard Malcolm - September 23, 2017

In theory, they’re agnostic. In practice, most involved seem to be sedes.

Groups that split off from the SSPV, like Dolan’s group, left because they seem to have insisted on a more expressly sedevacantist line.

Tim - September 23, 2017

Well, they’re not an option. With their faults I’m sticking with the SSPX(currently what’s in my area) and FSSP/ICK as back up.
#nevernovusordo

10. Camper - September 24, 2017

Here’s my two cents. Circular firing squads are good and important, but only if they are scrupulously polite and charitable. Jimmy Akin certainly sounds like a modernist.

11. dthy - September 25, 2017

The first Protestants are actually in the Bible. When Christ told His followers that “Unless you eat My Body and drink My Blood you will not have life within you,” many of them walked away and no longer were His followers. So it continues. And it’s ironic that Protestants claim to be “sola Scripture” since they reject so many parts of it. It’s only the Catholic Church that can trace it’s roots and beliefs to Scripture.

Tantumblogo - September 25, 2017

Yep. Very true.


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