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UPDATED: Reader Has Questions about The Fatima Center and Upcoming Dallas Conference – Are There Problems with Speakers? February 20, 2018

Posted by Tantumblogo in Basics, Dallas Diocese, Father Rodriguez, General Catholic, history, Interior Life, Latin Mass, Restoration, Society, Tradition, true leadership, Virtue.
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UPDATE: I added the video I promised in the original post. There’s not much to it, it’s just a brief 1 minute advert for the conference.

A longtime reader of this blog asked some questions I’m really not the best person to answer.  I did have some knowledge of his concerns, so I include my response to him below, but I offered to open up the matter to the readership in the knowledge that many of you have much deeper familiarity with The Fatima Center, Fr. Gruner, and their history than I do.  First, the questions:

This looks to be a fantastic conference, however, I do have some concerns I was hoping you could address before I commit my wife and I to attending.   Although, it’s be wonderful to listen to and perhaps even chat with Chris Ferrara, who often guests on the Mike Church show, I’ve been concerned with Fr. Gruner’s Fatima Center for several years.  Wasn’t Fr. Gruner disobedient to the Church and was suspended?  I have also found that a majority of those associated with and/or sympathetic with Gruner tend to think that the NO Mass is invalid, and many of those are also perhaps sedevecantists.

Not looking to be combative here at all, just cautious and seeking knowledge and perhaps a correction in what may simply be my misunderstanding.

And here is my brief response:

Like the SSPX, there are many arguments on both sides of the Father Gruner situation, but for the most part I think the accusations that he was disciplined are unfounded.  I haven’t really delved into the subject in that much depth, since the man has been dead for a year or two now.

I don’t believe I’ve personally seen or heard any of the speakers I know who are supposed to be at the conference say the Novus Ordo is invalid.  The claim they are sede vacantist is completely false.

To add a little bit more, I have listened to many talks, and read much material, by several of the conference speakers – Chris Ferrara, Michael Matt, Fr. Michael Rodriguez, and Father Paul MacDonald, and I could not recall any of them declaring the Novus Ordo to be invalid.  I feel very confident reinforcing the statement that there are no sede vacantist views in any of these gentlemen that I have ever seen, read, or heard.  Now many have severe problems with the Novus Ordo, especially as it is commonly offered in most parishes, but I don’t think any have declared it to be invalid in toto or from some fundamental basis.  Many also raise very appropriate and vociferous concerns regarding the current pontificate and the overall pontifical leadership of the Church since the late 50s, but that is quite a different thing from declaring that there have been no valid popes since whatever date.

I know some readers are very familiar with Father Nicholas Gruner and John Vennari (may they rest in peace), Michael Matt, Father Rodriguez, and others, and I ask now for additional information that clarifies their views on the topics in question.  I know the reader in question is well intentioned so I ask that replies be made in a spirit of kindness and generosity, and not take these questions as a personal attack on your own beliefs.  I also think specific evidence is the best kind of reply that directly answers the matters in question.

It should be added, however, that many of the speakers on the conference program have run afoul of the institutional Church at various times and have suffered from campaigns of misinformation and misrepresentation.  I think Fr. Gruner in particular suffered from this.  So I would personally very much appreciate any detailed replies that provide light on any particular beliefs held by these men, as well as specific instances of misrepresentation or falsification that may exist.  I bring this up, because I have a vague memory of seeing some really nasty calumnies against not only Fr. Gruner, but also Fr. Rodriguez and, I think, Matt and Ferrara, on Catholic Answers, things that were really quite disprovable.  There have been similar attacks on Church Militant websites.  But it was years ago that I read these things and I have forgotten the details.

Anyway, if one reader has such questions, it is likely that others do as well, so your response may be benefiting a number of souls, and it is always helpful to put these kinds of questions to rest.  I appreciate the time you spend in your response, and again please be charitable.

Find below a video on the upcoming conference by Fr. Paul MacDonald.  I am looking forward to it with enthusiasm.

I should also make very clear, I personally have no questions about the speakers and trust especially Father Rodriguez explicitly in every regard on matters of faith and morals.  I know his brother David, too, and am completely comfortable there, as well, as I am with Michael Matt and Chris Ferrara.  This post was for the benefit of a reader with questions I am not presently in a position to answer directly with hard data confirming the status of the speaker’s belief.  I used to have some of that info to hand, but that was 4 or 5 years ago and I’ve forgotten or misplaced it.  Thus my request to you, but I want to assure all that I cannot wait to attend this conference and am very much looking to it with no reservations of any kind.

Sorry here is the video I promised:

Catholic Parents in Ohio Lose Custody of Child for Refusing Carcinogenic Hormones to “Change Gender” February 20, 2018

Posted by Tantumblogo in Basics, cultural marxism, disaster, Domestic Church, error, family, General Catholic, horror, paganism, Revolution, sadness, scandals, secularism, self-serving, sexual depravity, Society.
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I just love it when the Left tells Christians how paranoid and stupid they are to be concerned about things like pseudo-sodomarriage and this “transgender rights movement” cum “I’m atopa the Victim Pyramid!” fad are going to lead to direct persecution of Christians.  But a fad, and an unprecedentedly destructive one is exactly what we’re seeing. And it is afflicting even convicted Catholic families, even some readers of this blog and the poor family below from Ohio, where the state has decided to revoke parent’s custody of their 17 year old daughter because a shyster physician says carcinogenic “hormone therapy” is medically necessary for her mental well being.  What’s next, parents lose their daughter for not providing a “medically necessary” BMW convertible?  How about all those “medically necessary” 4th or 5th abortions?

Excerpts below, with my comments:

An Ohio couple has temporarily lost custody of their 17-year-old daughter after refusing her transgender hormones prescribed by doctors who claim she suffers from gender dysphoria and will commit suicide without the drugs. A judge is expected to rule on her long-term custody Friday. [So this nearly adult aged girl has no moral agency whatsoever, no drugs = certain suicide? BS. It’s less than a year until she is 18 and can wreck her life all she wants, she can’t possibly hold out till then?]

In 2016, the unnamed girl was hospitalized and diagnosed with depression, anxiety disorder, and gender dysphoria, which the American Psychiatric Association defines as “a conflict between a person’s physical or assigned gender and the gender with which he/she/they identify.” Doctors claim that the parents’ treating the girl as a girl has triggered suicidal feelings. [But “gender dysphoria” is much more than just a conflict between “assigned” and “identified” gender.  It’s also a ticket to instant moral authority and adulation in many quarters of society and especially online.  Want instant popularity on Tumblr? Come out as trans.  For the unstable, chronically unhappy, and mere attention seekers, this can be too great a temptation to pass up.  It can also serve as a uniquely effective way of injuring parents for perceived slights and failings.]

Temporary custody has been granted to Hamilton County Job and Family Services, which has placed the girl with her maternal grandparents, who support the transgender identity[This is sadly common.  Grandparents very often, I pray unintentionally, undermine the efforts of devout parents to form their children and protect them from this sadistic, rapacious culture. I know of multiple cases involving ostensible “trans” where the grandparents are actively aiding and abetting the unfortunate grandchild. My wife and I have already decided, should this inexpressibly sad situation befall our family, and the child run away to coddling grandma, we shall have nothing to do with either, nor shall any of our minor children, for so long as the situation persists.  Now, it’s very easy to say that when it hasn’t happened and I’m not feeling all the emotion of a broken heart, but that’s our plan at present. However, it is virtually impossible that any of the grandparents would be sympathetic, especially the mighty Catholic warrior/maternal grandfather.]  The medical team from Cincinnati Children’s Hospital Medical Center testified that the girl is improving because her grandparents are treating her like a boy. They argued that she should immediately start treatment to decrease the risk of suicide, however. [The medical profession, and especially those in the higher levels of administration, are overwhelmingly left-wing, and very few possess any kind of serious Christian faith, and in fact generally view believing Christians with attitudes ranging from suspicion to outright hostility.  Virtually all of the professional medical and psychological associations have been coopted by the Left, and are now supporting/pursuing all element’s of the Left’s agenda, from taxpayer-funded abortion on demand to transgenderism.]

“We think the grandparents are the ones who have an open mind and will … make this sort of decision best for the child,” Paul Hunt, an attorney for Hamilton County Job and Family Services, testified, according to court records obtained by CNN. “The parents have clearly indicated that they’re not open to it,” i.e. giving their daughter transgender hormones……….[Note “best decision for child” = correspond to government/medical/leftist agenda, but I repeat myself.  Now to be fair there are exceedingly rare cases where people do genuinely develop what is called today gender dysphoria, but those have historically been vanishingly rare and typically have not constituted a medical emergency requiring such drastic action as terminating non-abusive parental custody.  I can’t help thinking there is more than a bit of family drama being played out in the courts, as too often happens, and the parents find themselves on the wrong side of the approved rightthink.]

……….Hamilton County prosecutor Donald Clancy argued that the parents are basing their decision on religious beliefs, not the best interest of the child. [Why assume a conflict between the two?  Because the State insists on promulgating that conflict.] The “father testified that any kind of transition at all would go against his core beliefs and allowing the child to transition would be akin to him taking his heart out of his chest and placing it on the table,” Clancy argued. [I can understand how he feels]

Clancy admitted that the father “fully accepts” his child, but noted that the father also testified that having the girl come home acting like a boy would “warp” her siblings’ perception of reality. [Damn right it would.  These things are often catching]

The daughter’s lawyer, Thomas Mellott, testified that the parents enrolled her in a Catholic school that made her wear dresses and answer to her birth name. These experiences “caused additional trauma and anxiety,” he argued. “When you lack all hope, and when he thought this would all continue to happen to him, the suicidal ideation became more pronounced, and that is how he ended up where he was,” in the hospital. [good for that school.  I wonder how long before Catholic schools cave on this?]

Even seeing her birth name on documents causes the girl trauma, Jeffrey Cutcher, the grandparents’ lawyer, testified. Mellot agreed. “The name has become a very big trigger,” the girl’s lawyer said. “It has gotten to the point where my client mentioned that he doesn’t want to think about college at this point because the marketing materials he’s getting keep using the birth name.”

Oh for God’s sake. Better toughen up, buttercup, the world does not care about your feelz.  If seeing your name causes you to have a meltdown, maybe you should demand the government find a way for you to re-enter the womb or some other ultra safe space for another few decades of maturation.

These situations can come to pass in spite of parent’s best efforts, but it is also true that parents sometimes play a role in, if not bringing these situations about, creating an environment where a child might be likely to seek extreme forms of external validation. That is to say, somewhere along the way, the child never formed, or perhaps was allowed to form, and adequate sense of self.  Jordan Peterson speaks of the enormous damage caused by tyrannical mothers.  The point being, we must always be so careful for our children, so balanced (not suffocating nor allowing to run wild), and never satisfied with ourselves.  I think that’s a big weakness of very devout/traditional Catholics, there is a tendency sometimes to think because we are so pious, go to daily Mass, have the TLM, good priests, whatever, we think we are somehow above all the cultural chaos. But we are not, and our children especially are not. So always be careful, especially regarding satan’s favorite soul-destroyer, the computer/internet/smart phone.  Have reporting software on everything and stringent rules about phone/computer usage (like all usage must be in the open, limit hours of usage, even check on their chats sometimes, if they are allowed such, etc).