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Dr. Jordan Peterson Speaking in Dallas Wed May 30 2018 February 21, 2018

Posted by Tantumblogo in Basics, catachesis, Christendom, Dallas Diocese, Ecumenism, General Catholic, manhood, secularism, Society.
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At 7:30 at the Majestic Theater in downtown Dallas.  Tickets range from $35-$100.

Peterson remains both fascinating and annoying to me.  He gave an hour long interview with former Catholic Answers regular Patrick Coffin where he talked about his approach to Christianity, and pretty much declared himself an interested and appreciative agnostic.  While he has numerous brilliant takes on a huge array of subjects, and his critique of the Left is among the most powerful and well evidenced I’ve ever heard, his acceptance of evolution and his reliance on the philosophy of Jung and Piaget make him a Gnostic/modernist on the most important subjects.

Nevertheless, he is brilliant and unusually coherent at expressing difficult concepts in a way any layman can reasonably understand, and there is a huge amount of gold among the feldspar – much more gold than feldspar, generally.  I think souls well formed in the Faith can partake of Peterson and sort through the good and the bad with relative ease – ignore the Jungian gnosticism, keep most of the rest.

Below is the Coffin/Peterson interview, which is important because, for the first time, it is a fairly orthodox Catholic interviewing Peterson and trying to pin him down on matters relating to the Faith.  Peterson somewhat maddeningly refuses to be labeled, which I can understand to a degree (because in the current worldly context he only stands to lose if he accepts one, and he is right that many people, myself included, would love to use him as a totem upon which to hang our own particular beliefs), but I continue to be disappointed that interviewers ask such broad questions as: “Are you a Christian,” or “Do you believe in God?”  These are very easily brushed off by Peterson saying “what do you mean by that?”

Here is what I want asked: “Do you, or can you, accept the Doctrine of the Faith as defined in the Apostolic, Nicene, and Athanasian Creeds?”  “Have you ever read Pascendi Dominici Gregis and Quanta Cura, and could you faithfully swear the Oath Against Modernism?”  The creeds are extremely specific and were deliberately contrived to avoid obfuscation.  But no one, that I know of, has ever asked such questions.

When Peterson below asserts: “How do you know that you are a ‘true follower’ of Christ, or properly understand what it means to be Christian,” the Catholic can respond with infinite confidence: because Christ created a Church He promised would define the Faith for all time, that Church has 637 defined dogmas, the acceptance and practice of which makes me at least an observant follower of God’s Law for us, if not a “good Christian.”

As to whether Coffin is right, that Peterson is on his way to becoming Catholic, that would be fantastic, but I am not quite so confident.  For all his good, Peterson’s “god” remains the false doctrine of evolution – he will have an exceedingly difficult time becoming a Christian so long as that remains.  At any rate, he also seems much more drawn to Eastern Orthodoxy than Catholicism.

BTW, Peterson will also be speaking in Austin on May 31 as part of a 12 city tour.

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UPDATED: Reader Has Questions about The Fatima Center and Upcoming Dallas Conference – Are There Problems with Speakers? February 20, 2018

Posted by Tantumblogo in Basics, Dallas Diocese, Father Rodriguez, General Catholic, history, Interior Life, Latin Mass, Restoration, Society, Tradition, true leadership, Virtue.
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UPDATE: I added the video I promised in the original post. There’s not much to it, it’s just a brief 1 minute advert for the conference.

A longtime reader of this blog asked some questions I’m really not the best person to answer.  I did have some knowledge of his concerns, so I include my response to him below, but I offered to open up the matter to the readership in the knowledge that many of you have much deeper familiarity with The Fatima Center, Fr. Gruner, and their history than I do.  First, the questions:

This looks to be a fantastic conference, however, I do have some concerns I was hoping you could address before I commit my wife and I to attending.   Although, it’s be wonderful to listen to and perhaps even chat with Chris Ferrara, who often guests on the Mike Church show, I’ve been concerned with Fr. Gruner’s Fatima Center for several years.  Wasn’t Fr. Gruner disobedient to the Church and was suspended?  I have also found that a majority of those associated with and/or sympathetic with Gruner tend to think that the NO Mass is invalid, and many of those are also perhaps sedevecantists.

Not looking to be combative here at all, just cautious and seeking knowledge and perhaps a correction in what may simply be my misunderstanding.

And here is my brief response:

Like the SSPX, there are many arguments on both sides of the Father Gruner situation, but for the most part I think the accusations that he was disciplined are unfounded.  I haven’t really delved into the subject in that much depth, since the man has been dead for a year or two now.

I don’t believe I’ve personally seen or heard any of the speakers I know who are supposed to be at the conference say the Novus Ordo is invalid.  The claim they are sede vacantist is completely false.

To add a little bit more, I have listened to many talks, and read much material, by several of the conference speakers – Chris Ferrara, Michael Matt, Fr. Michael Rodriguez, and Father Paul MacDonald, and I could not recall any of them declaring the Novus Ordo to be invalid.  I feel very confident reinforcing the statement that there are no sede vacantist views in any of these gentlemen that I have ever seen, read, or heard.  Now many have severe problems with the Novus Ordo, especially as it is commonly offered in most parishes, but I don’t think any have declared it to be invalid in toto or from some fundamental basis.  Many also raise very appropriate and vociferous concerns regarding the current pontificate and the overall pontifical leadership of the Church since the late 50s, but that is quite a different thing from declaring that there have been no valid popes since whatever date.

I know some readers are very familiar with Father Nicholas Gruner and John Vennari (may they rest in peace), Michael Matt, Father Rodriguez, and others, and I ask now for additional information that clarifies their views on the topics in question.  I know the reader in question is well intentioned so I ask that replies be made in a spirit of kindness and generosity, and not take these questions as a personal attack on your own beliefs.  I also think specific evidence is the best kind of reply that directly answers the matters in question.

It should be added, however, that many of the speakers on the conference program have run afoul of the institutional Church at various times and have suffered from campaigns of misinformation and misrepresentation.  I think Fr. Gruner in particular suffered from this.  So I would personally very much appreciate any detailed replies that provide light on any particular beliefs held by these men, as well as specific instances of misrepresentation or falsification that may exist.  I bring this up, because I have a vague memory of seeing some really nasty calumnies against not only Fr. Gruner, but also Fr. Rodriguez and, I think, Matt and Ferrara, on Catholic Answers, things that were really quite disprovable.  There have been similar attacks on Church Militant websites.  But it was years ago that I read these things and I have forgotten the details.

Anyway, if one reader has such questions, it is likely that others do as well, so your response may be benefiting a number of souls, and it is always helpful to put these kinds of questions to rest.  I appreciate the time you spend in your response, and again please be charitable.

Find below a video on the upcoming conference by Fr. Paul MacDonald.  I am looking forward to it with enthusiasm.

I should also make very clear, I personally have no questions about the speakers and trust especially Father Rodriguez explicitly in every regard on matters of faith and morals.  I know his brother David, too, and am completely comfortable there, as well, as I am with Michael Matt and Chris Ferrara.  This post was for the benefit of a reader with questions I am not presently in a position to answer directly with hard data confirming the status of the speaker’s belief.  I used to have some of that info to hand, but that was 4 or 5 years ago and I’ve forgotten or misplaced it.  Thus my request to you, but I want to assure all that I cannot wait to attend this conference and am very much looking to it with no reservations of any kind.

Sorry here is the video I promised:

Awesome Fatima Center Conference Coming to DFW March 9-11 2018 January 31, 2018

Posted by Tantumblogo in awesomeness, Basics, catachesis, Dallas Diocese, General Catholic, Grace, Latin Mass, priests, Restoration, Society, the struggle for the Church, Tradition, true leadership, Virtue.
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The Fatima Center/Our Lady’s Army of Advocates will be holding a conference at the DFW airport Hyatt Regency March 9-11 2018.  A bevy of fantastic speakers are lined up, including this blog’s favorite Father Michael Rodriguez, Fr. Paul McDonald, Father Isaac Mary Relyea, Chris Ferrara, Michael Matt, and many other top speakers.  Rates for the conference vary, the rate for the entire weekend is $270 which includes meals but not lodging, but walk-in rates starting at $20 are available for the main Saturday conference, which, yay! The Sunday conference is also only $20 if you brown bag it.  What a great Lenten retreat!  I pray my wife and I and perhaps some of the kids are able to attend, it should be a fantastic event.

The flyer is below.  The complete list of speakers is here.  Father Rodriguez is mostly speaking on Sunday, for those with a particular interest in hearing him, though I’m certain the entire conference will be wonderful and well worth attending.  We should be able to make at least one of the days.  The rest of the conference schedule is here.

Flyer-Dallas2018

This conference is not just for locals.  Come in from Waco, Austin, San Antonio, Oklahoma City, El Paso, and much further afield!  If you do plan to attend, please leave a comment and we can try to set up a meeting if you want.  I’m sure I’ll/we’ll be at least one of the days.

What a blessed event for our area and dioceses.  Though Mass will be offered each day of the conference and I’m certain the speakers will be quite busy, it would be wonderful if any of them could take a short trip over to Irving and drop by Mater Dei.  I know their presence would be most appreciated, and it might be interesting for them to see such a large traditional parish.  We’ll see.

I will post additional reminders and announcements as the event nears.  If any of the organizers would like any particular aspects advertised, don’t hesitate to leave a comment or contact me at larryr103@gmail.com.  I’m eager to spread the word on this great catechetical and social activity.

Debate on Francis Bishop of Rome in Dallas Wed 01/24/2018 January 23, 2018

Posted by Tantumblogo in catachesis, Dallas Diocese, different religion, disaster, Francis, General Catholic, horror, scandals, secularism, Society, the struggle for the Church.
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There will be a public discussion – a sort of debate, I guess – on the matter of how to respond to the current, absolutely unprecedented (in recorded history) Bishop of Rome we are confronted with sponsored by the University of Dallas  tomorrow, Wed Jan 24 at 7:30 pm.  The discussion is between Ross Douthat of the New York Slimes Times and extreme liberal Austin Ivereigh, and is moderated by journalist John Allen.  So, basically, two leftists against a moderately conservative neo – the Left never appreciates a fair fight (as Jordan Peterson’s utter destruction of a British feminist last week demonstrated).

Here’s a blurb on the discussion –

UD will be hosting a public discussion of the current papacy this Wednesday (the 24th) at 7:30 pm in the Moody Performance Hall in downtown Dallas. It will be between Ross Douthat of the NYT and British journalist Austen Ivereigh, moderated by John Allen. These are three of the most prominent Catholic journalists in the English-speaking world, and we are very excited to have them here in Dallas.  [Ivereigh is a close associate of the extremely progressive former Cardinal of Westminster Cormac Murphy-O’Connor, and basically gloated about the St. Gallen mafia and their role in enthroning Francis is a recent book]

This will be the first time in this country that one of Francis’s defenders (Ivereigh) and one of his critics (Douthat) have engaged each other face-to-face in public. Their moderator, John Allen, is probably the most well-known Vatican journalist in the world. [but definitely has a liberal bent, though less obvious than many of his confreres in the mainstream Catholic media.  So it’s basically two against one]

We promise a fascinating and enlightening discussion, and I encourage all ICONers to attend. Tickets are $10 (free to UD faculty/staff/students).

Here is a link to tickets:

https://www.udallas.edu/braniff/braniff_life/lectures.php

You’ll see there also a list of several other events the speakers will be putting on at UD campus next week, many of which may also interest ICONers.

Here is the press release:

https://udallas.edu/news/2018/ud-gathers-renowned-catholic-journalists-to-examine-the-modern-papacy

I’ve got a wife with strep and probably bronchitis after nearly two weeks of flu, and several sick kids.  So, no way I will attend.  Having said that, part of me is interested to see what Douthat has to say, though I suspect I already know it.  He is something of a critic of Francis, though hardly so thorough or penetrating as more traditional critics. Nevertheless, the interplay between the apologist Ivereigh and the critic Douthat could be interesting, though I doubt Allen provides anything like a level playing field, which will be maddening.

The thing is, what I think about this pope – Bishop of Rome, whatever – is pretty much settled.  He is what he is.  Goodness, as a man who understands the importance of gesture and media coverage, giving a pontifical medal to a rabid, murderous pro-abort the week of the March for Life in the US speaks for itself.  He is pope, somehow, though I don’t understand, and God has allowed this for some reason I don’t understand, but I cannot see how Francis can be described as Catholic.  He is a leftist ideologue with a wicked mean streak projecting an insincere joviality and the most publicity seeking “humility” in the history of ever.  Much of that could be forgiven, however, if he did not so obviously loathe both the Faith and those who hold it.  The problem is not with a pope with personal character failings.  There have been plenty of those, and the Church weathered them just fine. The problem is a pope who is patently at war with the Faith.

At any rate, the tix (general admission only) are $5, so it’s a fairly cheap night out.  Plan on another $10 or so for parking at least.  I hope some video is shot and it shows up on Youtube.  I am sort of interested in this debate to see where it goes, or rather, how far Douthat is willing to go in a hostile setting.  He’s OK on some topics.

If any readers attend, leave a comment on your impressions. I’d appreciate it.

I think kudos to UD, for having the guts to host this debate, and even permit some criticism of Francis, muted though it may be?  Of course, harsh criticism of popes from the Left has been not only permitted, but the central pillar of Catholic higher education around the world and especially in the West for decades, but this time it’s coming from the “wrong” side, the damnable right wingers.

Some more good local news……… January 10, 2018

Posted by Tantumblogo in awesomeness, Basics, Dallas Diocese, General Catholic, Glory, Grace, history, North Deanery, priests, Tradition, true leadership, Virtue.
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……….a couple of bits of good local news.  First, starting with the first full week of Lent, Father Jason Cargo, pastor of St. Joseph parish in Richardson, will be having Confession every weekday from 5-6pm.  This will be a permanent change, not just for Lent.  So in addition to Confession at St. Mark in Plano for several hours on Wed, Fri, and Sat, and most days at St. Jude in Allen (usually just a little before Mass, times vary), another parish will be having Confession every day except Sunday.  Which last bit is odd, that seems to be a post-VII thing, not having Confession on Sundays (I understand many priests are overburdened with Masses, but still), whereas in the old days Confession before, during, and after Mass was de rigeuer throughout the Church.  Nevertheless, for those who live and work in the North Dallas area, there are a growing number of options for Confession, and that is a most blessed thing.  Father Cargo is a good priest and I look forward to seeing what other changes he brings to St. Joseph.  Maybe some Latin Mass (probably Novus Ordo) at some point?  It might be a possibility.  Keep praying.

Again, this will start the first full week of Lent (Mon Feb 19), it is not available right now.  I always prefer when Septuagesima starts after Candlemas, so there is no mixing of penitential and joyful seasons.  That won’t be the case this  year, but only by a few days – Septuagesima Sunday is Jan 28.

Another local note, if you are looking for some wholesome family entertainment this weekend (Jan 12/13), the St. Paul Institute is presenting Gilbert and Sullivan’s HMS Pinafore at Faustina Academy in Irving.  Showtime is 7pm both nights. Tickets are $5 per person or $20 per family, so it’s quite a deal.  The performers are children, mostly high school aged but some  younger.  It should be a most enjoyable performance.  All details below:

A final happy item, one that is not specifically local but most edifying and Catholic, is a Youtube channel I stumbled upon called Tumblar House, which feature a weekly series of video interviews of the well known traditional Catholic writer Charles Coulombe.  I’ve found these video dicussions/question and answer sessions very helpful and enjoyable, and hope you will, too.   They cover a wide range of topics, including some many of those explosive issues related to traditional Catholicism – monarchism, the problems of the cult of democracy, the SSPX, Pope Francis, etc.  Coulombe is both historian and semi-sociologist, and much of his knowledge is well outside the mainstream and covers topics frequently ignored by other specialists in his field.  I don’t always  agree with Dr. Coulombe’s conclusions or advice, but I always find it interesting and informative.  It’s definitely worth a listen (I repeat, I don’t always agree with the conclusions reached or every statement made, but I do think it is all worth your time).  A few of the topics I found interesting:

Anyway, you get the idea, maybe everyone was already aware of this channel, but I just found it a couple of weeks ago.  Good discussion on a range of subjects outside what is normally covered even in the excellent sermons on Sensus Fidelium.  Plus, they have a more conversational tone and many may find them easier to listen to than sermons by priests, or at least as an alternative or in the form of a break.

First TLM in nearly 50 years offered at Dallas Cathedral Dec 30 – UPDATED January 9, 2018

Posted by Tantumblogo in Art and Architecture, awesomeness, Basics, Dallas Diocese, episcopate, General Catholic, Glory, Grace, Latin Mass, Restoration, Spiritual Warfare, thanksgiving, Tradition, Virtue.
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I sorely wish I had had the means to share this with folks before the event, but it was deliberately cordoned in a veil of silence.  Nevertheless, an historic event occurred during the Octave of Christmas this year, when, on Dec 30 (thanks to KB and SB for the correction), a Traditional Latin Mass was offered at the Sacred Heart Cathedral Shrine of Our Lady of Guadalupe in Dallas.  Father Thomas Longua, pastor of Mater Dei FSSP parish, offered the Mass.  Our family was unable to attend and I have received few reports on the Mass, the crowd, or the participants (I do not believe Bishop Burns participated), but there are a few pictures available.

Apparently the Mass was requested by some interested folks and new Bishop Burns, along with Cathedral Rector Stephen Bierschenk, approved.  The occasion, in addition to the feast, was a retreat for the altar boys and their families.

The Mass took place at the side altar where the Blessed Sacrament is reposed.  That is of course appropriate for the TLM – though our cathedral at one time had a most beautiful high altar, which was unfortunately and, I think it may be fairly said, callously ripped out during the wreckovations of the early 70s.  Indeed, the former marble altar rail was turned into curbs for the parking lot!  Just a slight triumph of expedience over piety……..

At any rate, some pics, and a bit more commentary below:

I am aware that this is not the first request to offer a TLM at the Cathedral.  Certainly, it is not the first since Summorum Pontificum of 2007.  So it is quite significant that approval was granted.  There is a sense in this Diocese that our new bishop Edward Burns, is more sympathetic to traditional Catholics and the offering of the TLM than was his predecessor, Cardinal Kevin Farrell.  There is growing hope that Bishop Burns may do away with the public, written policy instituted by then Bishop Farrell of banning offering of the TLM outside of the designated FSSP parish.  Certainly there remains much unmet demand for the TLM, even with the explosive growth of Mater Dei, due to Mater Dei’s awkward location (I should know, I live near it and don’t want it to move) and the diocese’s size.

Nevertheless, it is certainly something to pray and hope for.  The possibility appears much brighter than it did a year or so ago.  Unfortunately, there was expressed a wish to keep this event quiet until after it happened, so we may still have a long way to go.

Compare and contrast the bare offering table above, and the former high altar:

I’m not supposed to say this, it might hurt “the cause,” but different religion, much?

UPDATE: A local confrere informed me that this was indeed the first TLM offered in the Cathedral at least since the ascension of the, ahhhh……..one might say problematic, Bishop Thomas Tschoeppe in 1970.  Tschoeppe’s predecessor Bishop Gorman had apparently continued to offer the TLM regularly, until he was forced into retirement (very much against his will) in 1970.  Bishop Gorman was known for his stalwart orthodoxy and adherence to the Faith he was raised in, the Faith of our fathers, Bishop Tschoeppe, for allowing the seminary to collapse into sodomitical anarchy and general liberalism.  If what I am told is correct, one of Tschoeppe’s first acts was to oversee the wreckovation of the cathedral, including the altar rail cum parking curbs imbroglio.  Anyway, a bit of local history.

2nd Annual Virgin of Guadalupe Pilgrimage Tues Dec 12 @ 9a December 1, 2017

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My wife and kids were in the first one last year.  I’m sure they’ll be there again for this 3 mile pilgrimage across Irving to the campus of the University of Dallas:

Do call Julie if you can help with shuttle driving.  Bring your Marian flags, your banners, make this a work of witness!  i cannot attend, I will be at work and am using my last unused vacation day for the Immaculate Conception.

I’ve been intending to return this blog’s focus to the Dallas Diocese, more as it was in the beginning as I head toward the 8th anniversary of these little rants of mine, so here is another list of the many upcoming events this December at Mater Dei FSSP parish:

Since the Feast of the Immaculate Conception falls on a Friday and is a 1st Class Feast, eating meat is allowed, yes?

New Mass Schedule for Mater Dei FSSP parish November 30, 2017

Posted by Tantumblogo in awesomeness, Dallas Diocese, General Catholic, Glory, Grace, Latin Mass, Restoration, the struggle for the Church, Tradition.
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Goodness.  18 Masses a week.  5 on Sunday.  Somewhere around 36 man hours of Confession a week.

We be growing:

I’m really grateful for the additional evening Mass.  Not sure what happened, it was announced there would be 4 weekday evening Masses, but in the event, “only” three materialized.  Was really hoping for an evening Friday Mass, for those of us who work, but maybe someday.  Maybe that will have to wait until a 5th priest is assigned?

Nutty.  Why Dallas has grown so rapidly, one might even say violently, is an interesting point of speculation.  There are other places that have had TLM parishes much longer (the community dates to ’91, but the parish only to 2010), but they have not grown nearly so fast.  One reason might be the near total dearth of any really solidly orthodox alternatives, aside from St. William in Greenville, and the total ban on the TLM outside Mater Dei that has been in place since Bishop Farrell’s infamous prohibition of 2008.  But I still don’t think that explains a nearly 600% growth in Sunday Mass attendance in less than a decade, from about 200 to nearly 1200.

Dallas is a strange place, from the standpoint of Catholicism.  The suburbs in particular are hyper-conservative while the diocese is fairly liberal.  Perhaps this disconnect somehow plays a role.

We’ve had above average priests, even by Fraternity standards.  I’m sure that’s helped. I don’t think there’s been any watering down going on, to “sell the product” to TLM newbies. In fact, I think the opposite has been more the case, that the parish has grown because of Fr. Wolfe and other really orthodox priests. Still, why Dallas has grown almost exponentially while growth at other very solid, well run TLM parishes in similar settings has been solid, but much less spectacular, remains rather mysterious.  I guess it was just meant to be.

Anyway ad multos annos, Mater Dei.  Maybe we can live the experiment of a 5000 soul TLM parish someday.  Won’t that be grand.

 

USCCB Bishops – Immigration Not a Matter of Prudential Judgment       November 15, 2017

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At least, maybe, when it comes to the canard of instant mass deportation.

But in reality, in their recent confab discussing the hot-button topic of immigration, what was presented an attempt to basically refute lay complaints that the US bishops – reverting to unfortunate, damaging, hurtful stands they took in the 70s and 80s – are infringing upon lay rights by insisting upon specific policy prescriptions as being the only doctrinally acceptable approach.  This echoes the dark days of the “Bernadin”-dominated US episcopate, when supposed paeans to “peace” and “justice” were in reality little more than far left talking points and anti-Reagan, anti-US defense rhetoric.

Well, personnel is policy, and Francis has been busy remaking the US episcopate in his own image and likeness.  With men like Blaise Cupich in positions of great influence, and the sidelining of more (relatively) conservative forces like Conley and  Chaput, this is hardly surprising.  Francis’ influence will likely be felt in the US episcopate for a decade or more to come, depending on how long he reigns, and how replaces him.

At any rate, here’s what the bishops, including the liturgical aesthete Cordileone, had to say about the laity and their uppity opinions regarding prudential judgment. I’ll provide a little color commentary along the way:

As the conclusion of a lengthy discussion on migration, the US Conference of Catholic Bishops decided Monday to draft a statement from their president expressing the need for humane and just immigration reform.

The Nov. 13 proposal was first floated by Archbishop Michael Sheehan, Archbishop Emeritus of Santa Fe. After debating how to go about preparing a statement, it was agreed by oral assent that Cardinal Daniel DiNardo of Galveston-Houston, president of the conference, would issue a statement with the assistance of the Committee on Migration, chaired by Bishop Joe Vasquez of Austin, assisted by Archbishop Jose Gomez of Los Angeles.

The discussion followed brief presentations from Archbishop Gomez and Bishop Vasquez. The Los Angeles archbishop outlined the principles which guide the US bishops’ work on migration, which come from Strangers No Longer, a 2003 pastoral letter issued jointly by the US and Mexican bishops’ conferences……… [That is a poor, and in many ways politically extremist, document.  It is on a par with “Always Our Children,” which tacitly or openly endorsed most of the sodomite agenda, for bad documents written by bishops in the past 20 years.  It insists upon basically a free right for Mexican and other Latin American nationals to have free access, on demand, to US jobs, welfare benefits, and services, with nothing more than lip service, and even that slight, to the extremely negative impact mass immigration of low-skill, benefits-seeking, poorly-educated has on native workers in a post-industrial economy.  This is not 1890.  We don’t have millions of manufacturing jobs suitable for a 3rd grade intellect anymore. The bishops are living in a fantasy land, constructed from their near total disconnect with the flock they lead and their needs.  The robust economy and abundant riches they refer to constantly as the driving moral imperative in favor of ceaseless mass immigration with virtually no limit or control no longer exists.  Trump was elected precisely because millions of Americans, more and more of them formerly solidly middle class, can no longer find work.  Their wages are horribly depressed by competition from illegal and other foreign workers imported into this country specifically for the purpose of driving down the cost of wages. Thus the bishops, contrary to their rhetoric, are not really so concerned about the little man – there are millions of Americans suffering gravely from the immigration pandemic – they are actually carrying water for the transnational globalist elite, who want a large and ignorant labor force that makes little more than $5 an hour. This is an environment in which everyone suffers, including the immigrants, the vast majority of which lose their faith, and generally also their moral compass, in crossing the Rio Grande. I am being harsh, the bishops may simply be naïve and myopic, but a very solid argument can be constructed that they are deliberately acting in behest of powerful interests, all the while clothing themselves in the garment of “friend of the little guy” (so long as he is not a native-born American)].

……..Bishop Oscar Cantu of Las Cruces raised the question of how to counter charges that immigration policy is a matter of prudential judgement, and that the faithful may therefore in good conscience come to a judgement which differs from that of the bishops.

Bishop Thomas Wenski of Miami responded that “we’re making our prudential judgement, too … in the light of Catholic teaching.” He emphasized that “immigrants are not problems, but brothers and sisters; strangers, but strangers who should be embraced as brothers and sisters. We’re offering what we think is best, not only for the immigrants, but for our society as a whole. We can make America great, but you don’t make America great by making America mean.”

Immigration reform, he maintained, must “include the common good of everyone: Americans and those who wish to be Americans.” [OK, that’s your opinion, but many Catholic laity believe it is not only wrong, it is destructive and harmful and in many ways achieves the opposite of its intent (i.e., worse outcomes for Americans AND illegal immigrants).  We can certainly disagree in prudence.]

Bishop Soto responded that deportations do not fall under the category of prudential judgement, but rather were included by St. John Paul II in his 1995 encyclical [sic] Evangelium vitae among the sins which cry out to heaven, and so is not merely “consistent with Church teaching,” but “to discard it as a prudential judgement doesn’t reflect our tradition.” [First of all, this is a red herring. No one is seriously advocating, or seriously expects, mass deportations to begin this year, or next, or the year after that.  I for one am single-minded – build the dang wall, worry about what to do with those here after that.  We must control the situation, the inflow, before we try to reverse it.  Once the crisis is passed, we can talk sensibly about how to deal with those here.  Secondly, there are four sins that cry out to Heaven for vengeance.  An encyclical is an important document but not the place for novel de fide definitions.  Thirdly, Evangelium Vitae, which focused primarily on abortion and contraception as evils against human life, mentions deportation once, in quoting Guadium Et Spes, the 3rd worst document of Vatican II, for a list of evils which are “infamies.”  Whether an “infamy” equals one of the four sins that cry out to Heaven for justice is quite unclear.  If so, Vatican II added about 30 other sins to that list, because Guadium Et Spes 27 condemned, equally, and without distinction, everything from genocide and abortion to “living conditions” and “where people are treated as mere instruments of gain rather than as free and responsible persons.”  That is to say, while GeS 27 sounds impressive, it’s theological import and meaning are muddled, at best.  Naturally, then, it would be a favorite of a progressive bishop.]

Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone of San Francisco recommended the five principles from Strangers No Longer as a sine qua non, on which “there can be no disagreement” among Catholics. “While there’s room for prudential judgement, it’s not something that can be taken lightly” because it “involves such basic considerations of justice.” [But justice to whom?  Aquinas and Augustine would indicate that justice begins with those closest to home.  When there are periods of abundance, or when economic and cultural circumstances permit, there can be quite liberal approaches to immigration. With prolonged economic depression and cultural disassociation growing to the level of near open conflict, however, prudence would indicate, even demand, a much more conservative approach.  This has been the situation in the US for over 200 years, with periods of mass immigration leading to problems followed by periods of restricted immigration allowing for cultural and economic assimilation.]

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But let’s be honest, this issue of mass immigration in the present context, is at least as much – and I mean this from the bishop’s perspective, as well – about insuring permanent ascendance for progressive/leftist politics in this country as it is about any purported concern for the huddled masses yearning to breathe free (and is in fact probably much, much more about the former than the latter).

Correspondent MFG sent me this link, and he notes – quite intelligently – that this seems an attempt by the bishops to up their rhetoric and try to squash lay arguments against the bishop’s very liberal pro-immigration stance.  The prudential judgment argument has been a powerful one, and they seem to be trying to take that away.  As MFG notes, the way to combat this attempt is by returning to first sources and principles, going back to Aquinas, Augustine, Peter Canisius, and others to demonstrate the proper Catholic understanding of the role of government, of citizens of a land’s duties to one another and to those of other countries, of Catholic moral principles (in a hierarchical sense), and all such related topics.

Doing this in a systematic fashion will show that Catholics of any stripe, lay, clergy, whatever, are fully  within their rights to advocate for much more limited immigration than the status quo of the past 50 years, and to preserve the culture and heritage of the land they love, which they see slipping away faster and faster all the time.  This latest bit of rhetorical weaponry from the bishops is frankly very ugly, very manipulative and smacks of desperation.

UPDATE: Commenter CMatt makes a great point that I failed to address (in my defense, I covered quite a bit, anyway) – these are bishops talking, yes, but not necessarily YOUR bishop, and their authority over you as a soul is basically non-existent.  It only exists to the extent that the bishops unanimously approve documents or actions of the Conference, and even in that situation it is more of a tacit authority, something novel in the history of the Church and of dubious significance for souls.  That is the huge problem with episcopal conferences, and why Pope Leo XIII found them far from his liking – they muddy the lines of authority greatly and cause tremendous confusion when their actions are contrary to the Doctrine of the Faith.  Much of Testem Benovolentae, Leo XIIIs encyclical denouncing the heresy of Americanism (which the US bishops have never faithfully implemented) has to do with these manifest problems that emerge from such conferences – bureaucratization, secularization, inordinate focus on money/funding, an excessive interest in the material works of mercy vice the spiritual works, etc.

All Day Masses Tomorrow on All Soul’s Day November 2, 2017

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There are Masses all day tomorrow at Mater Dei Latin Mass parish in Irving, TX.  So let not lack of convenient times be an issue to prevent anyone from earning indulgences for the poor holy souls in Purgatory!

Times below:

6:30am – Three consecutive Low Masses
9:30am – Three consecutive Low Masses
12:10pm Low Mass; 1pm Low Mass & 2pm Low Mass
7:00pm – Sung Mass followed by two Low Masses
Please remember, according to Canon Law you may only
receive Holy Communion twice in one day.

I assume readers already know the requirements to earn a plenary indulgence for the souls in Purgatory.  But if you need a reminder, go here.

Thank you all for your continuing prayers.  I have missed a great deal in recent weeks but really wanted to encourage folks to take advantage of the wonderful spiritual work of mercy offered by the traditional priests of Mater Dei in making Mass, and the plenary indulgences, so convenient for all on this so very important day.  Most all of us, if we are so blessed, will be in great need of such prayers one day, and our generosity now will certainly be repaid by the intercession of the Saints released from Purgatory through our prayers tomorrow!

If you know of other parishes, local or otherwise, with special Masses for tomorrow, you might be doing someone a great favor by posting that info in the comments.  Thank you for your generosity.