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Millions of Illegal Immigrant Votes Probably Cast in the 2008, 2012 Presidential Elections June 22, 2017

Posted by Tantumblogo in abdication of duty, Basics, cultural marxism, disaster, episcopate, error, General Catholic, horror, Immigration, Revolution, scandals, secularism, self-serving, sickness, Society.

Horrifying, but I’m quite certain this is the case.  Another post on a quite different topic in an unrelated publication noted the massive shift the democrat party underwent on immigration between the mid-2000s and today.  10-12 years ago, major factions in the demonrat party were in favor of limitations on immigration and controlling the southern border – by fence or whatever means.  But since then, the party has embraced the same hard, absolutist position on totally unconstrained illegal immigration as the Catholic episcopate – a few exceptions aside – has.  They have done so for wholly political reasons, as dems have known for 20 years that demographics among the native-born population (and especially the white population) were entirely against them.  Politics correlates very strongly within families, and core members of the dem constituency were not having babies, while conservatives were.  By 2040 without massive changes to the American electorate through immigration, the Dems would be a permanent minority party at the national level.

So, much as Euro elites have done, when the electorate did not correspond to their ambition, leftist elites decided to find a new electorate rather than reconsider their failed religious beliefs.  It seems this effort has been a big success, as a recent report has assessed that as many as 6 million illegal aliens voted in the 2008 presidential election  – a huge factor, but not quite enough to, by themselves, account for Obama’s victory – and another 4 or 5 million voted in the 2012 election (enough that Romney may well have won that election. We must also consider the other electoral fraud demonrats regularly engage in, from ballot-stuffing to repeat voting to blocking conservatives from voting.  It is little wonder that demonrats stridently oppose both constraints on illegal immigration and voter ID laws – they cannot win outside their narrow coastal enclaves (plus Chicago) without massive electoral fraud:

A report from the conservative/libertarian think tank Just Facts shows that up to 5.7 million people who cast their ballots in the 2008 presidential election were non-citizens. The group used data from a Harvard study as well as U.S. Census Bureau data to arrive at that conclusion.

Just Facts also estimated that up to 3.6 million non-citizens cast their vote in 2012.

Just Facts’ conclusions confront both sides in the illegal voting debate: those who say it happens a lot and those who say the problem nonexistent.

In one camp, there are groundbreaking studies by professors at Old Dominion University in Virginia who attempted to compile scientifically derived illegal voting numbers using the Harvard data, called the Cooperative Congressional Election Study.

On the other side are the professors who conducted the study and contended that “zero” noncitizens of about 18 million adults in the U.S. voted. The liberal mainstream media adopted this position and proclaimed the Old Dominion work was “debunked.” [Given 18 million – it’s probably far higher than that – illegals in this country, there is ZERO chance that zero of them have fraudulently voted.  Democrats are so focused on – and cover up with such fervor – their get out the vote efforts in Hispanic neighborhoods, and demonrats so freely admit their fraud in other areas, there is no way illegals are not voting.  I’m quite certain millions are, and illegals underlie demonrat hopes to turn Texas “blue” or at least purple. We must get that wall built, NOW]

The ODU professors, who stand by their work in the face of attacks from the left, concluded that in 2008 as few as 38,000 and as many as 2.8 million noncitizens voted.

Mr. Agresti’s analysis of the same polling data settled on much higher numbers. He estimated that as many as 7.9 million noncitizens were illegally registered that year and 594,000 to 5.7 million voted.

It is little wonder that democrats and the political-cultural elite they control are so hell-bent on keeping the mass influx of immigrants continuing unabated.  Their entire electoral program hinges on it, at least so long as they remain wedded to elitist, leftist political/religious dogmas. I see little chance of their core beliefs changing.  So I pray President Trump and the few good Republicans in Congress start focusing ALL their efforts on building the wall and getting a handle on this mass influx. The very survival of this nation as it has always been construed depends on it, if that survival can even be attained at this point.

There is, however, a certain irony from the Catholic point of view in seeing the historical protestant core/elite of this country swamped in a flood of Catholics.  Of course, the Church is so weak and rotten at present that most of those fall away a few years after arriving here.  I had some sad experience of that lately.  Actually, sad, but then happy.  A young Hispanic man at our local TLM parish described to me how his parents had come here in the early 80s, gotten amnestied in ’86, and then become protestant and started a family. This young man was thus raised protestant, but their protestant sect house in Grand Prairie started going liberal – as they almost all tend to do over time, since they are man-made institutions (not that our God-made institution is without its human flaws) – and he started learning about Catholicism.  Long story short, he converted, and he managed to get most of his family to revert, but they were shortly disgusted by the liberalism, false doctrine, horrid liturgy and other grave problems they found in Novus Ordo world.  And so that is how this young man found himself at the Fraternity parish in Irving.  Wonder of wonders, his elderly grandmother who pined for an authentic Mass for decades after emigrating to the US finally got to experience it just a few days ago.  When they started going back to the Catholic Church in the US, grandmother wondered at the plethora of Eucharistic ministers, the casual and immodest dress, and the poor quality of the liturgy.  She was mightily pleased by her experience at Mater Dei, apparently.

God can draw straight with very crooked human lines.  A family fell away by immigrating to the US, but managed to return, and quite possibly find a much more robust practice of the Faith, by coming to this country.  The TLM is rarely available in Mexico, at least outside Mexico City and Guadalajara and a handful of other places.  Our God is great.



1. Michele Lovell Kerby - June 22, 2017

I can’t address voter fraud in Chicago, but I’ve been a poll worker here in Texas several times, in both state and national elections, and I’m pretty sure that at least in most places in Texas voter fraud at the polls would be very difficult and the chances of being caught quite high. This was true even before the newer voter id laws. (Really, about all those have done is make it more difficult for legitimate voters to cast their ballots, Republican as well as Democrat.)

If one wished to rig the elections it would be easier and more reliable to either hack the election computers (caveat: I don’t know if this is even possible) or commit some sort of fraud at the election office. So if Texas ever does go purple, illegal immigrants won’t be the cause.

2. Inocencio Rangel - June 23, 2017

I like your term “demonrat” I suggest the term “Demo(ni)cRat”

Tim - June 27, 2017

For the “opposition”(I wish they actually were) party the proper term is “Republicoward”.

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4. Doc Outa' The Box - June 23, 2017

I work as a primary care doc right on the border with a hefty population of illegal immigrants or those who got by with Reagan’s (the “conservative” icon) amnesty. I get to hear their complaints constantly about “Trompas” (“Big Mouth”.)

Good, salt-of-the-earth folks, these, with a fair proportion of them now enjoying “deesabeelaty” and, like most Americans these days, not the faintest idea of what made this country so prosperous that they all wanted to come here in the first place.

That check that arrives, or those benefits they enjoy, just sort of materialize out of thin air. No clue about killing that goose that lays the golden eggs.

But this just reflects the situation they came from, where government is nothing other than that entity that people compete with others to grant them whatever pittance it might. Plenty content to afford government whatever it wants as long as it provides them with some benefit.

Not much “lift-yourself-by-your-bootstraps” mentality about anymore.

5. Molly Alley - June 26, 2017

Needs more scare quotes on “Catholic”. As in, the illegal immigrants are “Catholic”.

Randy The Redneck - June 26, 2017


Tim - June 27, 2017


Randy The Redneck - June 28, 2017

I think I get it. If I am reading it correctly then my first impression was wrong. I thought the comment was meant to be sarcastic. After further consideration I think maybe it was not. Maybe she was simply pointing out that these illegal immigrants are Catholic in name only, which is largely the case.

Tim - June 30, 2017

Ok, that would make sense.

6. Tim - June 26, 2017

7. Dolly - June 27, 2017

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Tim - June 30, 2017

“English, Doc, english” …….Marty McFly

8. Ellis Country - June 30, 2017

Not exactly on the topic but as I read this my most recent experience at the 2016 presidential primary came to mind. I’ve lived in a small precinct here most of my life and in the past have usually known one or two of the election workers whenever I vote. The population in the area is growing and some of the older poll workers are retiring or passing. During the past primary I didn’t recognize the Republican woman at the desk. The Democrats were across the small room as both primaries were held in the same location (Church of Christ longtime polling place). She asked me three times if I were in the right place meaning did I really intend to vote in the GOP selection > I was the only one in line. I finally ran out of patience and said “Do I look like a Democrat ? [ I was casually dressed, no makeup, etc.] I’m one of those Catholic pro-life voters your mother warned you about.” She was not amused, although the two high school / college age workers on either side of her thought it was funny (maybe they were her kids, I don’t know). The Democrats were entertained. If the GOP is going to act like this, I’m not surprised they don’t attract more voters. It never used to be like this. I’m accustomed to a friendly greeting from friends and neighbors I’ve known forever when I go to the polls for primaries or elections. I’ve been voting pro-life since I was old enough to vote which was when Reagan first ran.

Ellis County - July 1, 2017

P.S. Univision Reporter Defends Massive ID Theft Tied To Illegal Aliens

“One seldom hears news on Univision that directly ties large numbers of unauthorized immigrants in the United States to crime, but that’s just what happened during one of the network’s recent national evening newscasts.

The stunning report, read by weekend anchor Aranxta Loizaga, was based on a new U.S. Department of the Treasury Inspector General finding that in 2015 alone, unauthorized immigrants “stole nearly 1.4 million Social Security numbers to be able to work in the country and file their tax returns.”

Univision’s report, however, went on to include justification of the crime as a “necessary” one in order for unauthorized immigrants in the country to file income tax returns, as well as ostensibly amass a record of “good moral behavior” as productive residents…”


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