jump to navigation

Speaking of things spiraling out of control: Pope Francis “Christians should kneel before poor,” Vatican conference blames “market economies” for global warming April 29, 2015

Posted by Tantumblogo in abdication of duty, Basics, disconcerting, episcopate, error, General Catholic, persecution, pr stunts, scandals, secularism, self-serving, Society, the return, the struggle for the Church.

Taking the last first….funny, I thought that communist/fascist China was by far the world’s most pollution-ridden country?  And what of all those areas of Russia that are still so environmentally destroyed from the Soviet days as to be basically devoid of life?  And what of the former socialist Eastern Europe, those are also some of the most polluted places on earth.  And EU countries, which are mostly socialist with a bit of market on top, are also major polluters.

This is just watermelons being watermelons, old commies using so-called environmentalism to advance their agenda and bash their old enemy, free enterprise.  What is surprising is that the Pontifical Academy of Sciences would give a platform to baby- and senior-murder advocating population control zealots.  This kind of thing did not happen under the previous pontificates:

Pope Francis is about to release his encyclical about global warming and is expected to advocate for cutting the fossil fuel use that he and others blame for temperature rises.

A Vatican declaration authored by the Pontifical Academy of Sciences (PAS) and others who attended a meeting Tuesday on global warming. The document from participants of the meeting pushes for ditching market economies to fight global warming and environmental degradation.

“Fossil fuel exploitation has also taken a huge toll on human well being,” the PAS document reads.

“Market forces alone, bereft of ethical values, cannot solve the intertwined crises of poverty, exclusion, and the environment,” the document adds. “The move to a sustainable world will not be cost-free for all: the options we face are not ‘win-win.’”

“Present economic systems have been accompanied by the development of unacceptable gaps between the rich and the poor,” the PAS writes, “the latter still lacking access to most of the scientific and technical benefits that we have developed in the industrial world.” [I think Margaret Thatcher can explain my response to that the best:]

Judging by what participants of the Vatican’s climate meeting wrote, the Papacy could come out hard against market economies that utilize fossil fuels for development. But given the authors of the document, it shouldn’t be surprising[I hope not.  There are general economic and social guidelines that can be laid down, but for a Pope to weigh in and say “fossil fuels are bad” is simply beyond any charism he possesses.  He could certainly give his opinion in a speech, but to do so in an encyclical, intended to be a formal document of formation/doctrine, would set an extremely bad precedent. For one, it would appear to politicize doctrine. And shall it be a sin if my vehicle doesn’t meet certain fuel efficiency standards?]

One of the authors is [screamin’ leftist]  economist Jeffrey Sachs who now heads up Columbia University’s Earth Institute. Sachs has been heavily backed by liberal philanthropist George Soros. Years ago, Soros donated $50 million to a project co-run by Sach’s nonprofit the Millennium Promise.

“To save as much of the sustainable fabric of the world as possible, we need to take many steps, among them reaching a level and sustainable population; [in other words, ever more rampant baby slaughter, fornication, and contraception]just consumption rates throughout the world; [then why doesn’t his backer George Soros adopt the poverty he wants to foist on the rest?  This is out and out communism – just consumption rates means someone deciding how much you get to produce and consume] the empowerment of women and children everywhere and their incorporation into the management of our one planet; [what does that even mean?] and the development of many new and more sustainable technologies that must be made widely available,” reads the PAS document, co-authored by Sachs. [All of which have been lavishly funded for years, and nearly all of which have failed miserably.  There is nothing, not wind, not solar, not hydrogen, nothing that can begin to compete with the economies of scale and efficiency of fossil fuels and nuclear, which is zero omissions but is another boogeyman of the left]

“With such achievements, hunger could be conquered, with one proviso concerning the distribution of food resources,” the PAS ads. “Without taking these steps, there is little hope for societal advance in the future.”

The other comment is even more strange.  Pope Francis, and this is reported on several Vatican news sites, says we should “kneel before the poor.”  That’s certainly an odd turn of phrase, to say the least:

Pope Francis said on Tuesday that poverty is the great teaching Jesus gave us and we can find his face among the poor and needy. Stressing that the poor are not a burden but a resource, he said he wished that both the city of Rome and the local Church community could be more attentive, caring and considerate towards those in need and that Christians could (the lede, and Zenit, have it as should) kneel before a poor person. The Pope’s words came during a video message which was broadcast at a charity theatre performance organised by Caritas Roma.

Some influential Argentines call Pope Francis “the Peronist Papa.”  It was certainly very Peronist to create a sort of idol of the poor.

But wait, there’s more!  In a daily homily at Case Sanctae Marthae, the Pope more popular with the world than with the faithful said:

The Holy Spirit, Francis underscored, not only makes us understand, but makes the Church move forward.

“We can study the whole history of salvation and all theology, but without the Spirit we cannot understand,” he said. [Well, that’s true.  Grace is a gratuitous gift of the spirit, but we can, at the same time, dispose ourselves to be more receptive to Grace by conducting our lives in the way that Christ – through the Church – has instructed us to do]

The Holy Father stressed it is the Spirit that makes us realize the truth or know Jesus’ voice: ‘My sheep hear my voice, and I know them and they follow me. ‘

The Church’s going forward, Francis highlighted, is the work of the Holy Spirit. [And sure, that’s true. But God being One, Eternal, and True, He cannot contradict Himself. He cannot say to the Church of 500, “X is bad, don’t do it,” and then to the Church of 2015, “X is actually OK, you can do that.”]

“And how do I do this – you ask the Pope – make sure that voice I hear is the voice of Jesus, that what I feel I have to do is done by the Holy Spirit?”

Responding, Francis said: “Praying.”

“Without prayer, there is no place for the Spirit. [And yet the most faithful Catholics who pray so much are so very, very wrong?]

He invited those gathered to ask God to send them the Holy Spirit so that we may discern at all times what we have to do.

We must discern, the Pope stressed, and to discern, he said we must pray and ask for grace.

Francis warned against the mentality that if we do things the way we have always done, that we are safer, stressing, “The Christian life is not a museum of memories.” 

“But to do as you’ve always done,” he warned, “is an ‘alternative death.'”

And thus, the problem.  Pope Francis, for all his orthodox statements, has a habit of leaving these very nebulous, very leading statements dangling out there, seeming to put prior practice and belief in opposition to the “new direction” the Holy Ghost ostensibly demands.  That may not be what he intends, but that impression can certainly be gleaned from words such as these, and doing so is hardly a stretch.

And then there is the aura of novelty and hostility to the past, or tradition, that surrounds so many of his statements.  “To do as you have always done is an ‘alternative death.;”  What does that even mean?  And how much in contrast is such a statement to the guidance so many great Saints and Doctors have given us?  St. Paul says to reject any man, or even angel, who gives us a Gospel different from the one that Christ gave us.

Pitting these “new promptings” against the perennial belief and practice of the Faith is frankly something modernists like Cardinal Walter Kasper have been doing for generations.  Previously, they were most vociferously denounced by Popes such as Ven. Pius XII, Saint John Paul II and Benedict XVI. Now, however, we receive regular statements that we must be ready for anything, even directions that will seem counter to our “museum of memories,” which I take to mean the past practice of the Faith.  I can’t imagine what else it could mean.

This is very sad.  The Church’s Tradition is a magnificent treasure of supernatural origin.  It is, aside from Grace, God’s greatest gift to His Church.  Perhaps Pope Francis simply has trouble expressing himself well, but statements like the above (and there have been many others that are similar) seem to demonstrate a certain lack of appreciation for the great treasure of Tradition, and seem to view it as an impediment to the Holy Ghost, which is impossible, since the Holy Ghost was its very author!

Goodness me.  I really do pray that Pope Francis is just cursed to constantly make very poorly worded statements, misunderstood by many if not all. I pray that out of charity for the poor man given such a terrible responsibility, but mostly because the alternative is too terrible to countenance. Even though, in the back of my mind……..

These are the times that try men’s souls. Lord, may I not fail.


1. Margaret Costello - April 29, 2015

It’s not a sin to call a modernist a modernist. Pope Francis is a modernist. Pray for him and fight him on the heresy he promotes. Per the part where they were speaking about women and children. They want them in the work force in order to destroy the family. Typical communist rhetoric. The state/globe/humankind will be their family, much easier to control that way. God bless~

Tantumblogo - April 29, 2015

Good points about communism. Obviously I am trying to stay in the muddled middle with regard to Pope Francis – I see much that is beyond disconcerting, but he is still the duly elected Pope, for some reason. God knows, I do not.

Much more on this tomorrow, God willing.

camper - April 30, 2015

I am inclined to say that until I hear someone calling him “Pope Francis, rapist of the Church” I will not be content with any criticism of HH I hear. He is a monster and will have a major share in leading directly to our ruin.

2. Biff Loblaw - April 29, 2015

I think it’s a typo and he meant to say Kneel before Zod.

3. H-town - April 30, 2015

Since I am rather poor these days, I expect all of you self-absorbed neo-Pelagians to kneel down before me next Sunday Mass..

4. Tim Thunell - April 30, 2015

How do we know who to kneel before? Will there be parishioners who collect tax returns and publicize who qualifies as a “dieity” to kneel before? What about an affluent parish with no qualifiers? Will they be devoid of grace? What about a poor parish, where all would be deemed “deities”? The whole thing seems unfair…..we will need the Obama regime to make sure there is equity of kneeling and grace!

5. Peter - April 30, 2015

He’s not worth listening to anymore, sad to say.

6. Baseballmom - April 30, 2015

The greenie pope- my friend and I have dubbed him – “George of the Jungle!” He swings around the jungle and you never know WHERE he will head next….

camper - April 30, 2015

Honestly, I’d say he’s entirely predictable.

7. Biff Loblaw - April 30, 2015

For people concerned about global warming, the Vatican sure blows a lot of hot air.

8. dymphna - April 30, 2015

I’ve decided to skim over stuff the pope says.

Baseballmom - April 30, 2015

Smart move.

TG - April 30, 2015

Me, too.

camper - April 30, 2015

Fine, but we still need to confront him. I know that people feel that they can’t do much or anything, but we need to work to confront him. That includes taking the right stance, which is that he is a monster who will encourage our politicians to oppress us for decades to come.

9. Tim - April 30, 2015

Margaret Thatcher….”The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money.”
Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/thatcher.asp#Aa0xwSDrIzOXmYxo.99

10. Elizabeth - April 30, 2015

A little humor never hurts at times like these:

(“Frank, The Hippie Pope”, Produced by The Lutheran Satire.)

Baseballmom - April 30, 2015

A good laugh…. Just close enough to the truth to be hilarious!

Elizabeth - April 30, 2015

It is too close to the truth, isn’t it. I think this video has made the rounds for awhile now….an oldie but a goodie.

Pseudodionysius - May 1, 2015

It has to be a sign of the End Times that we need a Lutheran internet apostolate to not only defend the papacy but to reiterate the Council of Trent’s teaching on no salvation outside the Church.

My irony meter exploded during the last segment.

Elizabeth - May 1, 2015

Irony indeed. Ain’t that the truth.

11. Observer - April 30, 2015

Jorge has difficulty, real difficulty, in sticking to sound Catholic theology, so he now feels capable of making statements about fossil fuels and bogus ‘global warming’. When the thermometer hits 90′ this summer is Jorge going to reach for the air con dial and turn it to max?…you bet he is!

12. D - May 1, 2015

“Pitting these “new promptings” against the perennial belief and practice of the Faith is frankly something modernists like Cardinal Walter Kasper have been doing for generations. Previously, they were most vociferously denounced by Popes such as Ven. Pius XII, Saint John Paul II and Benedict XVI.”

–I don’t recall Assisi meetings, Popes visiting and praying in temples and mosques, kissing the Koran, etc. etc. being a perennial practice of the faith. I would argue these actions fit the category of “new promptings”.

Tantumblogo - May 1, 2015

Yes, the trouble with the post-conciliar popes, they denounced some modernists, but then embraced some scandal of their own. I was trying to establish that this pontificate is different in degree from the previous two, as in, seeming to point in an even more radical direction.

H-town - May 2, 2015

There’s no doubt about that, T-blogo. The modernists bishops have finally gotten their man in Bergoglio (which they had tried and failed to do back in 2005 if you recall).

13. twoheartswa - May 1, 2015

I wonder how Pope Francis if his coming environmental encyclical will give any thought to the poor and if so, then how. The environmentalists and the poor are on two opposite poles. The poor are the greatest enemy of the environmentalists. Their policy is a population control = kill the poor and their unborn babies.

14. TLM - May 1, 2015

I’m sorry but this Pope is a complete disaster. Whether it be from his true modernist leanings, or ignorance, or the language barrier the results are the same……..complete disaster. If some want to give him the benefit of the doubt, all well and fine, but he is still harming the Church of Christ with his bazaar proclamations, and hob nobbing with those in the UN etc. etc. etc. What ever happened to the quest to get people to Heaven? ………….Oh wait……that’s right, everyone goes to Heaven, and the only thing we need to work on is the material world. Silly me.

Baseballmom - May 1, 2015

Geesh TLM…. GET WITH THE TIMES DUDE! Get with the times….. The answer my friend, is blowin’ in the wind…. The answer is blowin’ in the wind…..

15. TLM - May 1, 2015

LOL….I hadn’t yet seen this video. Yes indeed way too close to the truth.

16. TE - May 2, 2015

Hey, our enlightened liturgical geniuses in the Church of Post Vatican II have spent decades weaning us poor ignorant regular people of the medieval practice of kneeling in church, er, the worship space. And now His Grooviness wants us to start kneeling again? If we start kneeling before the poor, why we might go back to kneeling during Mass. We might have to get rid of the chairs and reinstall pews with kneelers. What would be next to bring back? Praying the rosary? Eucharistic adoration?

17. Vatican climate push must of necessity push abortion and other global fertility-lowering efforts | A Blog for Dallas Area Catholics - May 4, 2015

[…] brings me to the main point – this recent highly publicized and very important “climate conference” or “confere….  Yes there have been highly unfortunate flirtations with the left wing socialists at the UN and […]

Sorry comments are closed for this entry

%d bloggers like this: