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Thought for the Day: Could the Growing Worldwide Backlash Against Elites Extend into the Church? UPDATED November 10, 2016

Posted by Tantumblogo in Basics, catachesis, Christendom, different religion, episcopate, Francis, General Catholic, Restoration, secularism, Society, the struggle for the Church, Tradition.

I’m out of time, but a quick thought – could what seems to be a growing worldwide rejection of the transnational global elites extend into the Church?  There is of course evidence of a steadily increasing opposition to Francis’ attempt at radically changing the Church, and political parallels often do not apply to the Church, but could this general repudiation of elite authority on many levels have portents for the Church, just as the coalescing of conservative opposition to decades of liberal rule in England, the US, and the Vatican hastened the end of the Cold War and a Church which backed away from the excesses of the 60s and 70s, if there was not, unfortunately, a serious effort to roll them back?  That this opposition was much less effective in reality than it may have appeared at the time, both politically and ecclesiastically, is important to note: while there were significant achievements in this period of the late 70s – early 00s, the conservative reaction both in politics and the Church in many ways continued to accept the liberal paradigms and institutionalize them.

Could this time be different?  Could this be the start of a genuine reaction/restoration movement?

Sorry I can’t flesh this out more, discuss, if you feel so moved.

UPDATE: A little data that maybe lends some weight to my hypothesis?  Catholics voted for the less morally offensive candidate for the first time since 1988:

A national exit poll is showing President-elect Donald Trump won the Catholic vote Tuesday, 52 percent to Hillary Clinton’s 45 percent.

The poll, published by CNN, shows 23 percent of Americans who voted this election season identified themselves as Catholic, while 27 percent said they were Protestant, 24 percent “Other Christian,” 15 percent “No Religion,” and three percent “Jewish.” Of the Catholics who voted, 52 percent voted for Trump and 45 percent voted for Clinton.

In April of 2015, Clinton criticized the beliefs of traditional faith groups, asserting that these beliefs would have to be “changed” to accommodate abortion.

“Far too many women are still denied access to reproductive health care… deep-seated cultural codes, religious beliefs and structural biases have to be changed,” she said.

In 2008, Catholics made up 27% of the voting electorate.  That might be the more important factor than who they voted for: are Catholics becoming more faithful as a great number continue to fall away at a  quickening pace (a pace likely accelerated by Francis’ shredding of Doctrine in all practical senses?).

Just a bit more grist for the mill.  It is not insignificant both that Catholics have voted for the less moral candidate every chance they’ve had for nearly 30 years, and that THIS is the man they would choose to get behind, who pushed social conservative issues to the back burner for the most part.  So perhaps this isn’t as hopeful as I thought.  Then again, evangelicals gave more support to Trump than they did to Romney, McCain, or Bush. I think in this election, a desire to stop illegal immigration and send a clear rebuke to the self-proclaimed ruling class dominated all other considerations.



1. Joseph D'Hippolito - November 10, 2016

There’s a big difference. Lay Catholics cannot vote for a Pope, a bishop or a parish priest. That’s the ultimate curse of Catholic ecclesiastical structure: no accountability. That’s why careerism is so rife in the hierarchy.

Peter - November 10, 2016

It would be worse if laymen could vote for bishops and popes since the majority of Catholics are not orthodox. Orthodox candidates would always lose. And the worst of them would pander to the weakest parts of us.

2. Blaine - November 10, 2016

Well we could vote with our dollars – we must give alms and support the Church, not necessarily our parish/diocese. What if Lincoln or Madison all of a sudden received a hefty amount of donations from elsewhere, or Wyoming Catholic, or the Benedictines at Norcia or the Nashville Dominicans, or the FSSP?

Peter - November 10, 2016


Tantumblogo - November 10, 2016

Been recommending, and doing, this for years. I heartily endorse your efforts. I pray more join in, its our only bit of leverage over the beast.

Tantumblogo - November 10, 2016

PS – Will Trump stop or reverse any of the politicization of the military? I pray so.

Tim - November 10, 2016

Don’t forget ICK and most importantly the SSPX, its schools and St. Marys College. The problem with Wyoming Catholic is the neo-con mindset and Novus Ordo mentality and their credits transfer to nowhere. St Marys at least has made arrangements for student who finish 2 years can have their credits transferred to Kansas State University or University of Kansas as well as a number of smaller colleges in Kansas and Missouri, also you get a TRUE Catholic liberal arts education, thus arming you well for the secular universities you may need to attend to finish a needed degree.

Also, please remember the FSSP and ICK where born of the SSPX and Archbishop Lefevbre. Without Archbishop Lefevbre and the SSPX, none of us would have access to the Traditional Mass and Sacraments now. They are God’s instrument fo keep the promise of Christ that the gates of Hell shall not prevail.

3. aquinas54 - November 10, 2016

Also agree with Blaine…vote with our dollars. I’ve already stopped giving to my diocesan fundraising appeals, subject to our possibly (but don’t count on it) getting an orthodox bishop appointed here. I give to the parish only a reasonable amount to keep it running, since as we all know, in most NO parishes the financial load is carried by less than 10 percent of the “registered” families.


4. ms. Trump voter (since TX primary) - November 10, 2016

“Could the Growing Worldwide Backlash Against Elites Extend into the Church?” — Exactly what I’m hoping, praying and working for.

ms. Trump voter (since TX primary) - November 12, 2016

P.S. Appropriate responses to statements like this would be a good place for anyone to begin, IMHO:


ms. Trump voter (since TX primary) - November 14, 2016

PPS – Bp. Seitz says in his statement linked in my comment above that Trump is not a dictator (11/9/16).

Posted on 11/13/16 the Primatial Archdiocese of Mexico said he is not an emperor or a dictator.

Interesting. Using similar terminology. Who said it first ? I don’t know… Obama has been the one issuing executive order after executive order.

ms. Trump voter (since TX primary) - November 14, 2016
5. Dismas - November 10, 2016

I think Mr. D’Hippolito nails it. There is this great similarity between the Church and civil society in the sense of the corruption in each, which can be explained by the fact that the reason is the same in each. But as Mr. D’H. says, the Church is not a participatory democracy.

I think the other difference is that the sheer number of people who “get” what is going on in society is far greater proportionally than it is within the Church. Those of us who know the Church is corrupt can send our money elsewhere, but I doubt the hierarchy is really affected by that.

Finally, if the corruption in the Church were solved by human means, might it not deprive God of demonstrating how He alone is perfectly capable of ridding the ship of the rats?

All that having been said, not one of my pennies will find its way into what is masquerading as the Catholic Church.

6. Andrew - November 10, 2016

Whether or not we get to pick our priests, bishops or Pope, you still fight for the Church, for our faith no matter who it is! YES – – WE ABSOLUTELY WILL make the Catholic Church Great Again!

Enough failure, enough slow-motion decline bordering on collapse, enough with Priests who can’t articulate the simple Gospel message (let alone doctrine and dogma), enough with spineless Bishops who value the praise of men, enough with the Pope offering blessings “according to their own religion” and being more worried about air conditioning and youth unemployment than about the ETERNAL DESTINY of the many billions of the inhabitants of this planet who should all join themselves to the the one true faith, the Body of Christ!

If Bishops and Priests want respect – they need to get in line like everyone else and EARN it! Offer the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass like they’re supposed to, and HELP PEOPLE get to Heaven by being saints here on earth in the meantime! Priests are not social workers who need to be “relevant”, they are offerers of sacrifice to God first and foremost and shepherds of souls who should do all they can to help the sheep find and stay on the narrow path that leads to salvation “which only a few” find!

Make The Catholic Church Great Again!

Dismas - November 10, 2016

Yeah! Throw the bums out. WE will do it!

7. Observer - November 10, 2016

Speaking from the situation in Europe, I would say the Church is almost certain to suffer a serious backlash, and deservedly so. For years, most notably post Vat II, the Church power structure has identified with international leftist and is very close, some would say in bed, with the hostile elites.

8. Gc5341 - November 11, 2016

Leadership in our Church is not determined by a vote of the people. Leadership in our Church will improve because of the action of Christ. We should pray and offer sacrifices in the hope of this day.

Tantumblogo - November 11, 2016

I think folks are misinterpreting my intent. Guys, how many posts have I written? It’s almost 7100 now. I don’t need to be told, or reminded, that the Church does not operate according to political norms. But I think it is also beyond naive to assert that broad social trends – like the revolution that swept through the West in the 60s and 70s – do not have a huge impact on the Church. And if there is a counter-revolution sweeping through the West, that could also be a springboard for a restoration. The question was how could this trend, if it develops, be turned to help initiate and direct a restoration. But now that most everyone’s chosen to miss my point, I’ll just move along.

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